Kevin Love To Kings?

given the red carpet treatment we are givin rudy just for him to opt in i have no doubt that when we bring love in we do all we can to keep him here. its going to be very hard from him to walk when we will offer a global presence, new facilities and co face of the franchise rights to him.

if you havent heard we're giving rudy virtual tours of the new arena and lockerooms and using mullin and richmond to lead him to the light
 
Capt. Factorial said:
My point is that he won't do that to get traded to Sacramento. He'll spend his last year in Minnesota and then go to the Lakers or the Bulls or the Celtics or some other large market team. He has exactly zero incentive to sign a long-term deal to put him in Sacramento without going into free agency. Boston, maybe. Sacramento, no.

Our hope, if we manage to trade for Love, is that he will fall so much in love with the city and the organization in one year that he will subsequently sign a long-term deal with us. It is the same hope we used on Rudy Gay, and we're about to see this summer how that worked out. For Love, I think that's a terrible longshot. I think he will eventually end up playing for a large-market team.
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The big difference of course is that the only valuable thing we tied into the Rudy trade was money. Can't say GV, Salmons, Hayes were going to be a part of our future. However, #8 and McLemore are a lot to lose if a Love deal backfires and we don't gget the long-term deal
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
so we get 66m in capspace with no youth and praying that some players to come to sac. gerbil might get a hard on and end up splurging on landry level overpaid players.
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Did I say it's my first option? No. Is it better than being tied down with mediocre contracts until Cousins extension is up? Hell yes. It gives us the opportunity to bring in another star player and compete while we still have Cousins tied up. Am I saying it's going to happen? No, but it remains a possibility.

I would much rather have the cap space than to have nothing but roleplayers around Cousins. At least with the cap space, we have a chance at building a contender rather than wasting away the contract we have with Cousins to only see him leave when it's over.
 
yeah capspace is nice. it provides the latitude to go after big name free agents. also, the path it took was to strip all the talent/assets to get there. no young players that can be used as trade chips, no 1st rounders built up, just cap space. that is a recipe for greatness or world crippling disaster. i say this because we will have cousins for 3 years at that point. if we cannot build a solid foundation around him, we'll bee seeing chirping around when he has 1 year left on his contract.
 
The_Jamal said:
The big difference of course is that the only valuable thing we tied into the Rudy trade was money. Can't say GV, Salmons, Hayes were going to be a part of our future. However, #8 and McLemore are a lot to lose if a Love deal backfires and we don't gget the long-term deal
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And yet...you still have to take the shot. If you've got something else comparable out there, then maybe. But two unproven (and that's putting it kindly with Ben) kids? If Love arrives we would for next season at least have 2 of the 4 most talented players in the 30 year history of the Sacto franchise, here together, both young with a decade of ball ahead of them.
 
Bricklayer said:
And yet...you still have to take the shot. If you've got something else comparable out there, then maybe. But two unproven (and that's putting it kindly with Ben) kids? If Love arrives we would for next season at least have 2 of the 4 most talented players in the 30 year history of the Sacto franchise, here together, both young with a decade of ball ahead of them.
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Oh agreed. I want us to go All-in next season. If Love and Cuz both throw up 25-12 and lead Sacto to a playoff appearance+ Kings becoming a global team+our new arena, that might really intrigue Love into staying. We'd be in a unique situation of possibly creating the greatest bigs duo in NBA history.

Still, that doesn't make the risk of what we're giving up any less. Gay didn't cost us a single player for our future. So even if he left this season or the next, while it sucks losing a talented player, it's not the end of the world. #8 and McLemore are the way we improve to become a playoff team, as currently constructed. We need them to develop in order to get over that hump of being a perennial loser.
 
The_Jamal said:
Oh agreed. I want us to go All-in next season. If Love and Cuz both throw up 25-12 and lead Sacto to a playoff appearance+ Kings becoming a global team+our new arena, that might really intrigue Love into staying. We'd be in a unique situation of possibly creating the greatest bigs duo in NBA history.

Still, that doesn't make the risk of what we're giving up any less. Gay didn't cost us a single player for our future. So even if he left this season or the next, while it sucks losing a talented player, it's not the end of the world. #8 and McLemore are the way we improve to become a playoff team, as currently constructed. We need them to develop in order to get over that hump of being a perennial loser.
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I wish I had your confidence. For my part I'd gladly give up both to get Love. In fact I'd give them up for less than Love, and we have a few serious needs that will not be answered by a rookie, even a higher pick then eight.
 
If we can't get Love, how is this for a 3 way trade?

Kings get:
#16
Taj Gibson
Alexey Shved

Bulls get:
Kevin Love
Reggie Evans

T'Wolves get:
#8
#19
Jimmy Butler
Jason Terry
Carlos Boozer
Future 1st from Chicago

Then we draft Payton at 16. Payton, Taj and Shved would be an excellent get for #8, Evans and Terry.
 
Bricklayer said:
And yet...you still have to take the shot. If you've got something else comparable out there, then maybe. But two unproven (and that's putting it kindly with Ben) kids? If Love arrives we would for next season at least have 2 of the 4 most talented players in the 30 year history of the Sacto franchise, here together, both young with a decade of ball ahead of them.
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With Rudy Gay to boot. If you start mccallum with those 3 he all of a sudden looks like a top pg in the NBA. He will float on the 8-12 ast per game just by being on the court with the ball
 
Entity said:
With Rudy Gay to boot. If you start mccallum with those 3 he all of a sudden looks like a top pg in the NBA. He will float on the 8-12 ast per game just by being on the court with the ball
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He would never touch the ball
 
Albatros said:
I see Kevin is espousing the virtues of playing under the wonderful phill Jackson in NY.

UGH these guys man. :rolleyes:
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i want to echo this sentiment; it annoys me to no end that every top tier free agent or free-agent-to-be feels the need to suck up to the knicks, as if new york itself is don corleone and it's part of the unspoken protocol to pay your respects. i understand that new york is a tremendous city, and that phil jackson is certainly an accomplished fixture in the nba, but, as a franchise, what have the knicks done to deserve so much "kiss the ring" treatment? they've been a garbage team for almost 20 years now, and they haven't been great for almost 40 years...

as much as i hate the lakers, at least they're a franchise with a history of success that makes them deserving of the hype. they have 16 championships to their credit. the boston celtics have 17. the knicks? they have 2, both in the 70's. and they have only 2 conference titles since then, in an eastern conference that has been pathetic for about as long as the knicks have been pathetic...

honestly, part of me hopes that carmelo anthony bolts the big apple as a message to future free agents: "you wanna try and save a sh**ty team in the greatest city in the world? good luck. and send james dolan my regards." if kevin love truly wants to win, it ain't happening in new york...
 
Interesting move..isn't it that Love is a rebounding machine? and can stretch the floor too with his 3 ball. I'd assume he'd be a perfect fit for Cousins which would open up the paint even more for him to work the post.Who else in the league has a potential to dominate the paint in the next 3-5 years? Gay would add perimeter shooting and penetration. McLemore just need to grow up some balls and hit those open shots consistently. It's hard to believe any coach can't make this work. Now if the Kings somehow go for a home-run and still land Rondo, that would really really be

Anyway, none of these matter as Love won't be heading Sacramento. I would imagine he would go to the Warriors as an upgrade to David Lee. Unless we pull off something like the Webber deal.
 
I'm surprised Klay is now made available in these Love trade talks. I figured he would be one of the untouchables.
 
kingsboi said:
I'm surprised Klay is now made available in these Love trade talks. I figured he would be one of the untouchables.
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The Warriors will regret the day they trade Klay, but come to think about it it's a very Warriors thing to do about along the lines of firing Mark Jackson.
 
Lee is overpaid and Thompson is a very good young player on the last year of his contract. That doesn't look like a great deal to me, more like a desperate move for Minnesota to maintain some short-term relevance. They haven't made the playoffs in a decade, I think they need to get young talent back and build a solid base. Gibson/Butler and two first round picks should get it done. That's the best of both worlds, reliable young players and some prospects. We'll see who's left on the board for Boston's #6 pick. Embiid is a longshot, but Randle/Gordon/Vonleh will probably still be there. If they're offering #6 and #17 Minnesota could potentially get a big and a shooter on 4 year rookie deals to build around.
 
kingsboi said:
I'm surprised Klay is now made available in these Love trade talks. I figured he would be one of the untouchables.
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When you scratch the surface with Klay...you just can't be sure. Curry hogging it may be part of the issue...or is Curry drawing attention away allowing Klay to function? Dunno. Do know he's not as wildly productive or efficient as you might think he'd be. Bombs threes, but never gets to the line. PER comes out just above average (a hole with that stat I think as much as Klay). per 36s are very steady since rookie year, so may be as good as he's going to be. Still would love to have him as he's perfect here, but that ain't in the cards unless the Wolves would rather have #8/Ben than Klay.
 
BonziFan said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=owfaq7w
Wondering what you all think of this. Seems like the holdup for Twolves is a first round pick. What if we jumped in and gave them that pick and Mclemore for Klay Thompson. Seems like Klay would be a better fit right now for us moving forward. Oneal was to make salaries work. That could be changed.
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No, that's what I was suggesting in my post. But have real doubts the Wolves, looking for both Klay and a pick, would settle for Ben and a pick (albeit a good pick unlike the Warriors').

Nonetheless would not surprise me if we inquired in that situation given gerbil's aggression, and the reports last year that he/we wanted to bring over Klay because everything Golden State = NBA Championships as everybody knows
 
Bricklayer said:
No, that's what I was suggesting in my post. But have real doubts the Wolves, looking for both Klay and a pick, would settle for Ben and a pick (albeit a good pick unlike the Warriors').

Nonetheless would not surprise me if we inquired in that situation given gerbil's aggression, and the reports last year that he/we wanted to bring over Klay because everything Golden State = NBA Championships as everybody knows
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It temporarily looked like the Lakers could be involved, trading #7 for Thompson, because Minny may be balking at Thompson's imminent max extension demands. Although who knows what actually was/is being considered, if there's aynthing to that position from Minny, I imagine Ben and/or 8 could actually be appealing.
 
Ya I think considering the extension they might want Ben/8 more. I know beggers can't be chosers but I would ask for Luc back is they don't want him.
 
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