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Regarding Keon, and I only ask this because I do not have the liberty of watching Kings games unless they're nationally televised...

When it comes to the defensive side of things, is he "Doug Christie-level" good? I am getting the feeling, based on what I have read (primarily here on the forum), and based on the limited highlights I have watched, that he may actually be.

Is he?
I was too young to have memories of Doug, but Keon can certainly make multiple All Defensive teams like Christie did. Not saying he will, but it’s a realistic possibility for sure.
 
I was too young to have memories of Doug, but Keon can certainly make multiple All Defensive teams like Christie did. Not saying he will, but it’s a realistic possibility for sure.
Doug was bigger and stronger. He wouldn’t get pushed around by big wings like Jaquez and Brown. Other than that - which is a big difference - lots of similarities on defense.
 
Doug was bigger and stronger. He wouldn’t get pushed around by big wings like Jaquez and Brown. Other than that - which is a big difference - lots of similarities on defense.
I think Keons got better hands, which is crazy to say. I've been watching NBA pretty closely since the glory year kings and very few defenders pop with the same anticipation Keon does when he swipes at the ball.

To me, as a 30 MPG player, he's on the short list year over year to make all defensive teams. Eye test and analytics both make that very obvious
 

funkykingston

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I think Keons got better hands, which is crazy to say. I've been watching NBA pretty closely since the glory year kings and very few defenders pop with the same anticipation Keon does when he swipes at the ball.

To me, as a 30 MPG player, he's on the short list year over year to make all defensive teams. Eye test and analytics both make that very obvious
I came here to say the same thing. DC was bigger, longer, and stronger. And in an era when teams still went into the post often, his ability to contest at the perimeter but also defend the pass to the big was phenomenal.

But Keon definitely has better hands, which is really saying something. I'm amazed at how often he gets his hands on the basketball for strips and blocks that I didn't even think were available to him.

Both Ellis and Christie are/were very smart defenders who play the passing lanes and know where to be to take away options from offensive players.
 
I think Keons got better hands, which is crazy to say. I've been watching NBA pretty closely since the glory year kings and very few defenders pop with the same anticipation Keon does when he swipes at the ball.

To me, as a 30 MPG player, he's on the short list year over year to make all defensive teams. Eye test and analytics both make that very obvious
It's wild when you consider that Keon has said he hated playing defense at lower levels of competition, but recognized that locking in defensively was the only way he was going to see regular court time. A guy who will do the thing he hates in order to compete is a guy I want on my team. It certainly helps that he's clearly got the instincts, reaction time, and agility to match his relentless drive.
 
It's wild when you consider that Keon has said he hated playing defense at lower levels of competition, but recognized that locking in defensively was the only way he was going to see regular court time. A guy who will do the thing he hates in order to compete is a guy I want on my team. It certainly helps that he's clearly got the instincts, reaction time, and agility to match his relentless drive.
Some of my favorite advice that current and former players give is when they go on the "Only 15 players in the NBA get to do whatever they want on the floor offensively" speech. Basically saying it doesn't matter at all if you dropped 30 in high school and 20 in college; if you don't defend, if you don't rebound, if you don't impact the game without touching the ball, you're not going to make the league because you absolutely will not be a #1 or #2 option.

Keon's really taken that to heart and now he's going to have a super long career and make 100+ million dollars by the time he hangs them up.
 

funkykingston

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Love to see Keon up on that list, but the thing that pops out most for me is that that every guy on there other than Wemby, Ausar Thompson and Cason Wallace are guys I wanted the Kings to draft and/or trade for.

Wemby (and to a lesser extent either of the Thompson twins) because the Kings didn't have the capital to trade up to draft them and Wallace because my pre-draft read on him was definitely off. I didn't think he'd be as good as he is. Tari was a major draft crush for me and BBall Paul was who I wanted with the pick Monte used on Jahmi’us Ramsey.

Herb Jones would probably make this list if he'd been healthy this season, and I know several of us on the board were mad when he went a few picks before the Kings pick in the 2nd round in 2021.
 
Well deserved. I believe it was in his first summer league game that he snatched a ball shot by a jump shooter out of the air like a cat snatching a fly. At that point it was, "Whoa, you don't see that every day. This a boy to keep your eye on." He and Christie are absolutely perfect for each other.
 
I meant to use "we" and "us" to refer to the Kings. There was stark contrast in metrics when comparing lineups with and without Keon all the way back to late last season. The W-L record doesn't lie. The fact that we went away from what has actually proven to work was frustrating. You build upon these things to advance the baseline and "stack up" on top of this improved foundation to progress further. Not learning from our little successes and failures lead to us trying to "search for" things that work and iterate through the same mistakes over and over again. Doug Christie seems to be more receptive and open to make changes with a good pulse for the game. Better days are ahead.
is he or was it just a manifestation of players being injured. With a healthy roster under Doug Keon played 20 minutes against Dallas and Chicago. For the time under Mike Brown he averaged 19.9 minutes.

I don’t see any difference.
 
is he or was it just a manifestation of players being injured. With a healthy roster under Doug Keon played 20 minutes against Dallas and Chicago. For the time under Mike Brown he averaged 19.9 minutes.

I don’t see any difference.
The difference is that within the average, you will not see any DNP's or a few minutes of garbage time. That is what really ticked off a lot of us
 

Krunker

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Well deserved. I believe it was in his first summer league game that he snatched a ball shot by a jump shooter out of the air like a cat snatching a fly. At that point it was, "Whoa, you don't see that every day. This a boy to keep your eye on." He and Christie are absolutely perfect for each other.
Yeah that was ridiculous!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IdQgryX44Lc

Reminded me of this c-webb play: