Kenny Thomas-where's the love

dbl07

dbl07

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I haven't heard too much on Kenny here. I believe we should keep Kenny. The man is a pretty consistent double double threat. Kenny quickly became my second favorite player on the team and he has qualities this team needs. Athleticism, rebounding(much of it banging down low-the man gets good offensive boards for his size). When I heard Webb was traded to Philly(I was at work) I said we better have gotten Dalembert and Kenny. Kenny is obviously too small for the 4 slot, but at the 3 I think kenny could be All-star material. He alone kept the Kings going throughout many games, making his own space for buckets and for the 4 slot he penetrated like few can (a mini Amare in my own opinion). Plus he is our only real highlight real (dunk wise) on the team. Just want to know yalls thoughts...............
 
He's a solid player, Kings can use his rebounding and inside game but he's not a starting material.
 
He is too small to be a starter at PF IMO. I think he could be moved to SF if we traded Peja but right now I don't see that happening.

He makes a solid backup to the PF spot. Of course we also have Darius. I would rather have Darius then KT.

I think KT is a key trading piece. He put up decent numbers and has a contract we can trade.
 
BigWaxer said:
He is too small to be a starter at PF IMO. I think he could be moved to SF if we traded Peja but right now I don't see that happening.

He makes a solid backup to the PF spot. Of course we also have Darius. I would rather have Darius then KT.

I think KT is a key trading piece. He put up decent numbers and has a contract we can trade.
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I think of all the players we got for C-Webb, K9's contract would be the heardest one to move.

He has 5 years remaining on his contract and his salary next season is over $6million and keeps increasing every year. For a player of K9's calibre that is a big contract which also happens to be the longest of the players we go fro C-Webb.

K9 would be handy off the bench backing up both forward positions BUT he is paid way too much for a bench player and I doub he would be very happy if he doesn't start.
 
Good Points Caro and I agree, I am thinking we can package him for one the disgruntled players around the league that match up better at the PF spot.

He will not be a starter IMO on a championship team. So either he will be a good bench player or we have to trade him. Maybe in a package deal
 
BigWaxer said:
Good Points Caro and I agree, I am thinking we can package him for one the disgruntled players around the league that match up better at the PF spot.

He will not be a starter IMO on a championship team. So either he will be a good bench player or we have to trade him. Maybe in a package deal
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Having said that I think I read somewhere that both RA and Petrie beleive that K9 could be a very good player in our system if given enough time to prepare in the training camp :eek:

Based on that I wouldn't be surprised if K9 is back with us next year. Personally, I would prefer a bigger more defensively oriented PF than K9. Someone who can give us some 12-15ppg, 10rpg and 2+ bpg in starter like minutes.
 
I really believe Kenny could be a great starting SF. 14 points+8 rebounds at 49% shooting in 30 min per game isn't too shabby for a starting SF.
 
dbl07 said:
I really believe Kenny could be a great starting SF. 14 points+8 rebounds at 49% shooting in 30 min per game isn't too shabby for a starting SF.
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I agree. He could be a kind of "power" small forward like Mashburn or Jamison. If we were to trade Peja I'd feel comfortable starting KT, or if we keep Peja he'd be fine off the bench as a 3/4. Just awful expensive for a bench player.
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The Kenny/Brad pairing is just impossible as a starting frontcourt. There is just no hope there defensively. And you throw in Peja and that frontcourt is just beyond help. It cannot be if you're serious about winning anything.


I noted that quote about KT from Geoff as well. Not sure how to take it. Does he want to bring back KT as a starter? A bencher? Geoff's not stupid, he has to recognize our acute size/shotblocking issues. If he wants to bring back Kenny as a starter, what happens to Brad/Peja? As a bencher would be more appropriate, but that's a big contract for a bench guy, and would KT's ego take it?
 
Bricklayer said:
The Kenny/Brad pairing is just impossible as a starting frontcourt. There is just no hope there defensively. And you throw in Peja and that frontcourt is just beyond help. It cannot be if you're serious about winning anything.


I noted that quote about KT from Geoff as well. Not sure how to take it. Does he want to bring back KT as a starter? A bencher? Geoff's not stupid, he has to recognize our acute size/shotblocking issues. If he wants to bring back Kenny as a starter, what happens to Brad/Peja? As a bencher would be more appropriate, but that's a big contract for a bench guy, and would KT's ego take it?
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Yeah, thats something I have been thinking about as well.

I would like us to keep Bibby, Peja and Brad but if we do that then we need to complement them with players in the starting 5 that cover their weaknesses.

I wouldn't mind KT as a bench guy as he is capable of playing both forward positions but as you say he is getting big money for a bench guys. I can see where GP is coming from but I definetly don't want him back as a starter and I doubt KT would want to come off the bench. As his contract is almost impossible to move so I expect to see him back but I hope its not as a starter. If he is forced to come off the bench how would his ego handle it and if he is not happy about it, would it cause chemistry problems with the team??????
 
Humorous Analogy ....

KT is a Jack Russell amongst Great Danes in the PF-position ....

If any of you are familiar with the Jack Russell breed, they are high-energy, fearless, no regard for their own lives ... and they think THEY ARE AS BIG as the Rottweilers, German Sheperds, Labs ... well practically all breeds that are bigger then them. They're not afraid of BIG DOGS.

I love KT ... the heart, the ability, the fearlessness IS ALL THERE.

He just can't bang with the bigger power-forwards on the defensive end. He'll get his rebounds .... I just don't see him as a STOPPER.

His offense is fine .... he'll get his points and he does a good job underneath and in the paint.

Whether-or-not he stays a King ... time will tell
 
KT is a solid player but comparing him to Amare Stoudemire is ridiculous. If only he was CLOSE to being the same type of player Amare is.
 
Leaving personalities out of it, if you wanted to describe the SF we have all been craving (after critiquing Peja) Kenny would come pretty close. Yes, he could be 3 inches taller and play a little better D but he's mobile enough and physical enough to play the SF in the WC. He does a good job on the boards and has a good consistant jumper although limited in range (which could increase at the SF spot). Now, how does that stack up against his potential frontline mates? Seems to me that they are the ones lacking, not he.
 
DocHolliday said:
KT is a solid player but comparing him to Amare Stoudemire is ridiculous. If only he was CLOSE to being the same type of player Amare is.
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If Kenny was resized proportionally to 6'11 instead of 6'8, I think he'd be at or near Amare's level. That said, he's not. You could say the same about a lot of players. I'm curious if he could start at SF. He could always get spot minutes at the 4 in small ball lineups.
 
dbl07 said:
Plus he is our only real highlight real (dunk wise) on the team. Just want to know yalls thoughts...............
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First, hopefully we'll get Mo Evans back, so we won't have to depend on KT to be the team's only highlight reel ... which I cannot agree with, anyway.

Kenny Thomas is good. He's just good enough to show sparks of brilliance but I do not believe he's worth the salary he's carrying around. I also don't think he's the type of player the Kings are going to mold their future around. I worry that HIS contract is actually going to be harder to move than Webber's because - and I know some aren't going to agree but it's just my opinion - KT simply isn't the "STAR" that kind of money and length of contract should command.
 
VF21 said:
First, hopefully we'll get Mo Evans back, so we won't have to depend on KT to be the team's only highlight reel ... which I cannot agree with, anyway.

Kenny Thomas is good. He's just good enough to show sparks of brilliance but I do not believe he's worth the salary he's carrying around. I also don't think he's the type of player the Kings are going to mold their future around. I worry that HIS contract is actually going to be harder to move than Webber's because - and I know some aren't going to agree but it's just my opinion - KT simply isn't the "STAR" that kind of money and length of contract should command.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one worried about Kenny's contract. Like many of the other posters, I think Kenny's good, but not great, but overpaid. And overpaid for a LONG time. To get rid of his contract we'd probably have to trade him with someone who is underpaid, just to make it work...
 
Kenny is not a 3 despite his height, thats like telling Peja to play the 4 because he's 6'10. He is what he is.




trade him
 
I don't think Thomas would fit at the three in our system. He displays a lot of the things that got Corliss shipped out, except he's more athletic and is a better rebounder. It could work if we get a SG who could shoot from outside. Otherwise, Bibby looks to be our only consistent threat from beyond the arc in such a line-up.
 
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mr. moustache said:
If Kenny was resized proportionally to 6'11 instead of 6'8, I think he'd be at or near Amare's level. That said, he's not. You could say the same about a lot of players. I'm curious if he could start at SF. He could always get spot minutes at the 4 in small ball lineups.
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A few inches taller or not. He is not as talented as Amare stoudemire. He could be trying to play like Amare at least. He was for a bit, and then slacked off. * Another knock against Rick if you ask my opinion, he was motivated on his own accord at first, but then slacked off of defense and rebounding. Hmm, I wonder why that is. Maybe it wasn't being preached?? *
 
DocHolliday said:
A few inches taller or not. He is not as talented as Amare stoudemire. He could be trying to play like Amare at least. He was for a bit, and then slacked off. * Another knock against Rick if you ask my opinion, he was motivated on his own accord at first, but then slacked off of defense and rebounding. Hmm, I wonder why that is. Maybe it wasn't being preached?? *
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Or maybe, just maybe, if you actually watched him play outside of Sacto he was returning to his normal form.

Feel free to point out to me the great defender or stud rebounder who came to the Kings and magically quit doing it. I'll save you the trouble -- there are none. These players are what they have been. Like most players who are traded and want to prove themselves, they came out super-motivated for a while. But that never lasts. I'm not actually that sure I'd agree that KTs game fell off anyway, but to whatever degree it did, it fell off from an artificial high, not down from his normal KT level.

The blame-Adelman-for-everything thing gets ridiculous after a while. Get League Pass. Watch some of these guys play before they hit Kingsland. See if you're wonderfully impressed by how good all those other coaches have made them look. If Rick "failed" with all of the guys who were thrown onto his team MIDSEASON, it was in not magically making them into something they were not in the two months he had to work with them. Of course no pro coach in history has magically made verteran guys what they are not, but we'll ignore that little technicality. Blame Rick. Yay.
 
nice player, but way too short to be a starting PF in the west.

i don't trust him guarding the likes of duncan, KG, odom, even kenyon martin etc. just too short.
 
VF21 said:
First, hopefully we'll get Mo Evans back, so we won't have to depend on KT to be the team's only highlight reel ... which I cannot agree with, anyway.

Kenny Thomas is good. He's just good enough to show sparks of brilliance but I do not believe he's worth the salary he's carrying around. I also don't think he's the type of player the Kings are going to mold their future around. I worry that HIS contract is actually going to be harder to move than Webber's because - and I know some aren't going to agree but it's just my opinion - KT simply isn't the "STAR" that kind of money and length of contract should command.
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I disagree I think that Kenny is very deserving of his paycheck. Of course the length of his contract is another issue! I wouldn't mind Kenny being our starting PF next year. I think if the team really concentrates on defense as a unit, !!!WHICH CAN BE DONE!!!, then we will be fine. Kenny is such an interesting matchup compared to other PF's in the league. He is a good solid passer, a great mid-range jumpshooter, can drive on any PF in the league, and is a garunteed 15, 10, and 5 guy.

I agree with most of you and I do hope the Kings look into getting a defensive stopper/rebounder at PF, but I think Kenny would do really well as a King once everyone got to know eachother.
 
I think that, if Michael Redd decides to leave for the money, which many seem to believe that he will, I think that we might want to consider trading Stojakovic and Thomas to Milwaukee for Desmond Mason and Joe Smith: We would want to make that trade to get an athletic SF who can score in multiple ways, and a proven banger at PF, who can play off the ball and still be an impact player. Milwaukee might want to do it because they would get back two proven scorers to replace the two that are leaving (Redd and Mason), who happen to be two players that are already familiar with the offense that Coach Porter is running (which he lifted from this team when he left). And Kenny Thomas' value as a starting PF becomes significantly greater in the eastern conference.
 
SacTownKid said:
I disagree I think that Kenny is very deserving of his paycheck. Of course the length of his contract is another issue! I wouldn't mind Kenny being our starting PF next year. I think if the team really concentrates on defense as a unit, !!!WHICH CAN BE DONE!!!, then we will be fine. Kenny is such an interesting matchup compared to other PF's in the league. He is a good solid passer, a great mid-range jumpshooter, can drive on any PF in the league, and is a garunteed 15, 10, and 5 guy.

I agree with most of you and I do hope the Kings look into getting a defensive stopper/rebounder at PF, but I think Kenny would do really well as a King once everyone got to know eachother.
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I didn't say he shouldn't get a paycheck... I said the amount AND length of his contract is bothersome. I don't see that having the team concentrate on defense is going to improve Thomas' value - or height - or ability to play in the post, etc. It is my humble opinion that we must have some STRENGTH at either the 3 or the 4. Peja can shoot but he's not assertive enough. Kenny just can't body up with the premiere PFs around.

As far as Thomas being a guaranteed 15/10/5 guy, I'll have to see it to believe it.

I think Thomas could be an asset as a reserve but you don't pay bench players that kind of money and I don't think KT's ego would be able to handle coming off the bench...
 
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