Kenny Thomas is not that Bad

[TheJoker]

We did.

We had to get KT at that point because we were gonna lack a starting 4 plus salaries had to match.

the only team i see being interested in KT is a team whos really lacking a 4 and there willing to sacrifice by getting KT's contract back.

Kenny Thomas will only be traded if we give up a good player in a package thats the only way teams will be interested in the trade so we're probably stuck with KT's contract for a while.

 

[CruzDude]

Don't you just love a thread like this? How fun. A stimulating topic in the dog days of September about a too short PF with 4 years left on a bloated contract who still outplays 1/2 the league and has held his own with the rest.

He and Bibby were only 2 guys to play in all 82 games. His stats aren't great but aren't bad either
28 min/g
51% FG
68% FT
7.5 reb
9.1 pts/g

It's reality folks. But this year he WILL have to earn his role, what ever it is.

 

[Kings113]

Don't you just love a thread like this? How fun. A stimulating topic in the dog days of September about a too short PF with 4 years left on a bloated contract who still outplays 1/2 the league and has held his own with the rest.

He and Bibby were only 2 guys to play in all 82 games. His stats aren't great but aren't bad either
28 min/g
51% FG
68% FT
7.5 reb
9.1 pts/g

It's reality folks. But this year he WILL have to earn his role, what ever it is.

lol, absolutely agreed.

 

[TheJoker]

I rather have Shareef start then KT.

 

[Bricklayer]

I rather have Shareef start then KT.

SAR is the better player, but that's not really what's important. Starting SAR recreates the same problem we had last year. Especially if Kevin is supposed to have some sort of breakout year offensively. Ron may not average quite as many points as Peja, but he actually needs more shots to get his, and wants/needs to handle the ball a lot. Kevin is primarily a scorer, and stepping into a role vacated by a guy who had a tremendous year doing the other things as the closest thing to a roleplayer our original starting lineup had. And so you are again talking about a tremendous shot crunch if SAR is the starter. Also absolutely no rebounding -- not even a Bonzi to try to cover it up.

SAR did his best work off the bench last year -- the relatively one dimensional score, score and score some more season he had was well suited to a 6th man role. Meanwhile Kenny pretty much refused to play off the bench and gave a much better effort, not to mention, roleplayer, in the starting lineup. Without thinking Kenny is anything more than a garbage starter, there is still a good argument to be made for why he should do so anyway. Might strengthen the starters AND strengthen the bench (who otherwise would be lacking a proven scorer).

 

[TheJoker]

Shareef brings more effort to games then Kenny Thomas does and he does it with consistency, the only thing Shareef lacks is rebounding skills.

 

[Bricklayer]

Shareef brings more effort to games then Kenny Thomas does

Well that is very...random.

SAR will give you a great effort if you give him the ball in scoring position. Otherwise the better hustle player is clearly Kenny.

 

[TheJoker]

Well that is very...random.

SAR will give you a great effort if you give him the ball in scoring position. Otherwise the better hustle player is clearly Kenny.

SAR gives effort, Kenny doesn't do things consistently he should look how much hes getting payed and how little effort hes showing to deserve it.

 

[whozit]

SAR is the better player, but that's not really what's important. Starting SAR recreates the same problem we had last year. Especially if Kevin is supposed to have some sort of breakout year offensively. Ron may not average quite as many points as Peja, but he actually needs more shots to get his, and wants/needs to handle the ball a lot. Kevin is primarily a scorer, and stepping into a role vacated by a guy who had a tremendous year doing the other things as the closest thing to a roleplayer our original starting lineup had. And so you are again talking about a tremendous shot crunch if SAR is the starter. Also absolutely no rebounding -- not even a Bonzi to try to cover it up.

SAR did his best work off the bench last year -- the relatively one dimensional score, score and score some more season he had was well suited to a 6th man role. Meanwhile Kenny pretty much refused to play off the bench and gave a much better effort, not to mention, roleplayer, in the starting lineup. Without thinking Kenny is anything more than a garbage starter, there is still a good argument to be made for why he should do so anyway. Might strengthen the starters AND strengthen the bench (who otherwise would be lacking a proven scorer).

I think this sums up what others have tried to point out in terms of what may be best for the team. I have to agree with this line of thinking, even if I don't like Thomas' attitude. If Musselman goes this route, hopefully he has learned/acquired skills of diplomacy.

 

[hanchiho]

KT sucks defensively

 

[SacTownKid]

KT, Reef, and Brad played Duncan far better than the Mav's bigs did, yet they are better defenders? No not really. KT is actually a pretty good man defender. So is Reef. We have zero help defense from those guys and thats a problem.

 

[RaY Z]

KT sucks defensively

he doesn't suck, i acutally think he's improved over the seasons before last season... didint you watch him in any of the games last year???

 

[RaY Z]

SAR gives effort, Kenny doesn't do things consistently he should look how much hes getting payed and how little effort hes showing to deserve it.

hello?? once again did you watch any of the games last yr? particularly when he started for us?

he may be inconsistent times but it doesnt mean he gives no effort.. since he did get the starting job he was pretty much our garbage man, he would get all his points through hustle, and he would grab every rebound he could get...

problem is though he only seems put in some effort when he starts... and when he's on the bench he's not as effective due to his poutiness and lack of effort...

as much as id like SAR to start, i think for the team it would be better for kenny to start, as both our PF's would be at least giving us something each game, SAR with his scoring of the bench, and kenny with his hustle, which is what id rather have than SAR starting and putting up nice scoring numbers, while kenny thomas comes off the bench and gives jack ****.

we all know how that turned out, with the bench being pretty much non existent in the first half of the season. i know we got salmons and even mabye to an extent quincy douby and an improved ronnie price and francisco garcia, but i think SAR would help with his scoring punch off the bench, which hopefully catches on to the others on the bench, besides jason hart who i would want to just sit on the bench the entire season waving towels...

 

[BawLa]

If you can't see the forest for the trees, don't blame us. It's not like we're the first people to ever talk about Kenny's attitude and I doubt if we'll be the last.

That's so funny because I just remembered at the beginning of the summer you made a post that said something about the heat and it getting to our heads. We have had crazy delusions all summer long if you think about it.

 

[BawLa]

I don't care if he whines when he comes off the bench. If I were a coach I would tell him to go to the end of the bench and shut the bleep up. That said I think he needs to start because Brad is our starting center. SAR is much more well rounded than KT but Brad's glaring weakness is rebounding and athleticism which happen to be Kenny's only decent traits. I believe we have three other new faces whom I would like to see push Kenny to the end of the bench, but until then, unfortunately, he should start.

 

[TheJoker]

KT only starts if hes ready and if he can't change his attitude he will be gone soon even if we can't get the value we/Kings want.

 

[SacTownKid]

One thing is true...Kenny wants to start. And while I don't think it's to the point where he would screw up the locker room, I do think it could be a problem.

I mean wasn't there an article after we signed Musselman where his agent basically stated that they would look at other situations if they weren't happy with his role? WTF is that! That pissed me off. Kenny lost a little respect from me after that.

 

[TheJoker]

One thing is true...Kenny wants to start. And while I don't think it's to the point where he would screw up the locker room, I do think it could be a problem.

I mean wasn't there an article after we signed Musselman where his agent basically stated that they would look at other situations if they weren't happy with his role? WTF is that! That pissed me off. Kenny lost a little respect from me after that.

Hahaha, KT is a funny man maybe he should learn how to step up his game instead of disappearing the next game i just wish hes traded right now. but i know we have to force ourselfs to see him in a Kings uniform for 1 more year but even thats not a Guarantee.

until we can't get a real 4 who can play defense rebound score consistently we're not going anywhere.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

If Kenny Thomas can only play effectively when he starts, then he has no business playing for a team with championship aspirations.

 

[RaY Z]

KT only starts if hes ready and if he can't change his attitude he will be gone soon even if we can't get the value we/Kings want.

i wish that too but reality is how the hell would it happen? i mean noone is going to want him considering his attitude PLUS his contract... which he has like 3 or 4 yrs left.. not sure...

but the point is, noone is going to take him because of his fat *** contract which he is not worth at all... and what are we going to do to get rid of him soon? release him with his contract?...

i think our only hope is if he changes his attitude... and i hope to God he sure does...

 

[TheJoker]

Geoff needs to find a way, its not upto us but i do know if we trade KT we won't get the value we want so thats the only thing we should know. KT's contract is not a attraction peice so that means we will recieve junk if we trade him.

 

[OldSchoolKing]

Geoff needs to find a way, its not upto us but i do know if we trade KT we won't get the value we want so thats the only thing we should know. KT's contract is not a attraction peice so that means we will recieve junk if we trade him.

You say we will get junk for him here, yet two post above you say you want him traded. So you'd be fine with getting junk in return?

 

[RaY Z]

Geoff needs to find a way, its not upto us but i do know if we trade KT we won't get the value we want so thats the only thing we should know. KT's contract is not a attraction peice so that means we will recieve junk if we trade him.

let hope a team is willing to give junk away for kenny...

 

[OldSchoolKing]

kenny's rebounding skill is vastly undervalued on this board.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Geoff isn't going to trade KT for junk. He will trade him if he finds a taker that can give us someone equal or close to equal value in return. I realize that not all of the teams want KT and thats understandable. But maybe there is someone who needs an undersized PF with good rebounding skills that can be put along someone that plays good defense. I suspect that KT will not just be given the starting role because he gets pissed if he doesn't start. Muss will start the one who plays better, whether it is KT or SAR.

 

[Packt]

Kenny is the better starter because he is the better role-player in the starting line-up. Too bad he doesn't have impact in the areas we need. He sulked coming off the bench, but I believe he wouldn't have been that good off the bench anyhow. His game is not assertive enough offensively or defensively. He thrives off running with the 1st unit, because they make him look better, and he gets more involved with the offense. Coming off the bench would take away most if not all of that. All the pouting and talking is just him fighting the inevitable of being an undersized back-up rebounder, and an average one at that. He knows if he gives up any ground, he’ll slip into obscurity. Sounds really bad, but our second option isn’t the most ideal either.

If given the minutes, he could average double digit rebounds like he did in 03-04. He averaged a career high 36.5 minutes that year. Philly went 33-49, not making the play-offs for the first time in 5 years.

This year would be our best chance to move him. If we could couple him with our expiring contracts, we might get a bite from teams looking for some very short-term cap space relief.

 

[TheJoker]

You say we will get junk for him here, yet two post above you say you want him traded. So you'd be fine with getting junk in return?

Yes. getting rid of the contract is a A+ no team is not gonna send us value/equal value in-return. either Geoff realizes this or he will just keep KT.

 

[BawLa]

Geoff isn't going to trade KT for junk. He will trade him if he finds a taker that can give us someone equal or close to equal value in return. I realize that not all of the teams want KT and thats understandable. But maybe there is someone who needs an undersized PF with good rebounding skills that can be put along someone that plays good defense. I suspect that KT will not just be given the starting role because he gets pissed if he doesn't start. Muss will start the one who plays better, whether it is KT or SAR.

I doubt that. GP has been known to cut his losses. Thats how we got Kenny in the first place.

If GP could find a team to take on his contract, then we would likely be getting something worse in return. I guess the real question for management is do they view Kenny as badly as we do?

 

[TheJoker]

I doubt that. GP has been known to cut his losses. Thats how we got Kenny in the first place.

If GP could find a team to take on his contract, then we would likely be getting something worse in return. I guess the real question for management is do they view Kenny as badly as we do?

Exactly, what makes people think we'll get value in return when someone has to take on his horrible contract in the first place? if we trade him we'll get a Malik Rose or Mo Taylor value live with it and get used to it

Geoff will probably keep KT since he will think his horrible contract is more worth it then the junk he will recieve from trades so i'm afraid he'll keep KT around for a long long time.

 

[SacTownKid]

Uh? Mo Taylor is expiring. I am totally sure we could get an expiring for Kenny, but it would be nothing but a dumping of Kenny's contract. I think that Petrie is indeed looking for some value if they are to trade him. The only legit trade offer I heard involving Kenny was last offseason when there were talks about a Kenny for Desmond Mason deal before the Bucks traded him for Magloire instead.

Another thing not to forget is that Reef going to the bench had just as much with us needing scoring off the bench as it did needing K9's rebounding in the starting lineup. Probably even moreso.