kenny and reef argue?

[VF21]

Oh boy...

I so do not want to see Kenny Thomas revert to his old attitude. He has baggage and I was really hoping he'd left it in Philly. I pray this isn't the start of something really ugly...

BLAST!

 

[KevinMartinsGirl23]

For anyone who has ever played sports, you should understand that this is NOT a big deal. Teammates say things in the heat of the moment all the time. It just happens. Things are stressful, people yell, people call each other out, it's nothing personal. Now, if this happened all the time between these two, well then we should worry. But I think this is something that has gotten WAY over highlighted in the media. The two of them have never seemed to have a problem playing together- they pass to one another, work fine together, and that's all that matters to me.

 

[VF21]

KMG23 - There is a certain amount of tension between them, primarily on KT"s part. He has said repeatedly that he wanted the starting position, which was SAR's until his jaw was broken. SAR has been the bigger person in this little scenario, continually maintaining that he'll do what's best for the team, whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Kenny, on the other hand, is always about Kenny. When Grant asked him if it felt good to break his little slump he looked at Grant as though he was insane and made some comment about how if he got the ball more he'd be able to do more.

I agree the media may be starting to jump on this but I also think, after hearing the reports coming out, that it just might be indicative of an old familiar refrain as far as Thomas is concerned. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it is merely over-emphasis by the media on a slow sports day.

 

[kennadog]

Yeah, Kenny makes me nervous with his volatile and moody personality. What really bothers me is he seems to let his mood affect his game, often for the worse. Strikes me as to much about himself and not the team. I really hope I'm wrong, but KT...don't screw this up!

 

[RaY Z]

ahhhhhh here comes the media

 

[KevinMartinsGirl23]

KMG23 - There is a certain amount of tension between them, primarily on KT"s part. He has said repeatedly that he wanted the starting position, which was SAR's until his jaw was broken. SAR has been the bigger person in this little scenario, continually maintaining that he'll do what's best for the team, whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Kenny, on the other hand, is always about Kenny. When Grant asked him if it felt good to break his little slump he looked at Grant as though he was insane and made some comment about how if he got the ball more he'd be able to do more.

I agree the media may be starting to jump on this but I also think, after hearing the reports coming out, that it just might be indicative of an old familiar refrain as far as Thomas is concerned. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it is merely over-emphasis by the media on a slow sports day.

Yeah, I totally see what you were saying, but I did hear Reef talk about it on the post game show on 1140 KHTK and he was saying that it wasn't a big deal. And it is totally Kenny's personality to just ignore the question with a comment like "yeah it was a good game." I am sure it really isn't a big deal, and it might have gotten even more mention BECAUSE of the history between the two players.

Either way, I was just bringing up the point that it isn't uncommon in sports to have players from the same team at each other's throats during a close game. A part of me is glad that they care enough to get upset when someone is scoring on them (if the tiff was indeed over a defensive play).

I think it probably never be mentioned between the two players again, especially on SAR's part because he is a mature, professional person and it sounds like no big deal.

 

[Rome]

Im sure they will be hugging and celebrating after they beat the Spurs in the playoffs.

 

[KingKong]

Am I the only one who is looking at this as a good thing? It was something you would never see with our previous team, but sometimes it's required for teammates to get in each other's faces and keep them in check. Look at the game Kenny had tonight. I feel it can be detrimental for a team to always be lovey- dovey. It just shows that they are commited, and if somebody slacks offf on defense, he is going to hear about it.

 

[Pedrigues]

It said on the game recap at yahoo that SAR was throwing out curse words at Thomas during that argument.

Can anyone lip read?

Yep!

Reef was saying: "That was MY penutbutter"

 

[Purple Reign]

There is a certain amount of tension between them, primarily on KT"s part. He has said repeatedly that he wanted the starting position, which was SAR's until his jaw was broken. SAR has been the bigger person in this little scenario, continually maintaining that he'll do what's best for the team, whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Kenny, on the other hand, is always about Kenny. When Grant asked him if it felt good to break his little slump he looked at Grant as though he was insane and made some comment about how if he got the ball more he'd be able to do more.

I hate to bring this up now......I am trying to repress my feelings.......BUT I CAN NOT HELP MYSELF!!!!!!!!HELP, HELP, HELLLLPP!!!
(It is time for Thomas to go. I'll save it for after the postseason, hopefully in June )

 

[SacKings384]

Kenny pulls down 18 boards (a Kings season high) and you want to give rid of him? Exactly WHO would rebound for the Kings once he's gone?

 

[Wuster]

Just saw the local Fox sports report with Jim Krandall. They had a clip of Kenny at the sidelines after the incident and he was mouthing something along the lines of "I ain't helpin' nobody anymore" and "Eff that" while Corliss and Bibby were trying to calm him down.

Krandall suggested it was a lapse on defense that caused it. Who knows...

I was there and it WAS an embarrasing defensive breakdown that led to it. So... they argued, had a tiff. Stuff happens.

 

[loborick]

Hopefully...

you guys will get your wish and KT will be traded in the off season. He gets no respect in Sacramento. The only time anyone says anything nice about him is when he has a game like this, yet he is still getting dissed.

 

[KingCookie]

Well, given that this supposedly happened with 3 minutes left in the game, and Kenny was smiling and laughing after he made his final two FTs with under a minute to go, I'd say everything is just fine. KT can be a baby sometimes, but I would think they'll both realize that this is not the time for petty arguments. Point was made, now move on, and play your butts off AS A TEAM.

 

[vj9999]

you guys will get your wish and KT will be traded in the off season. He gets no respect in Sacramento. The only time anyone says anything nice about him is when he has a game like this, yet he is still getting dissed.

You identified your self awhile ago as KT fan and not a Kings fan so your statement doesn't upset me too much. It does bother me that you generalize things. Sacramento is one of the rare places where every player is embraced while they are members of the team. Of course people will be critical, but they will also praise him. 95% of us fully support all our players no matter what. If I was able to put my dislike for Ron Artest aside and fully support him, anything is possible

 

[LilMissDiva]

Kenny pulls down 18 boards (a Kings season high) and you want to give rid of him? Exactly WHO would rebound for the Kings once he's gone?

Possibly the person who will replace him is my guess.

 

[vj9999]

Possibly the person who will replace him is my guess.

Kevin Garnett can grab 18 rebounds easily

 

[Rome]

^^ ditto

 

[Rome]

Kenny pulls down 18 boards (a Kings season high) and you want to give rid of him? Exactly WHO would rebound for the Kings once he's gone?

I like KT and i think he's a good player but wouldn't it make sense to get a player that could rebound and block shots on a consistent basis.

I think this team is a shotblocker away from becoming a True Contender. Just look at how good Dallas plays with a shotblocker who barely puts up points buts just there to block shots and rebound. A guy like Diop is what we need on this team. He's like the perfect example of a role player.

Now I could just say trade SAR for a shotblocker/rebounder and put KT in the bench but I suppose you already know how KT reacts to the bench. KT is a non factor when he's in the bench while giving fits and pouting regarding playing time. So i think SAR is a great 6th man because he can be a go to guy when our other bench players are not producing. He also creates shots for our bench players like Kevin Martin.

 

[quick dog]

Is this funny or what? Remember when we were all depressed because the Kings (Vlade, Peja, etc) players had no fire in their playoff bellies? Well, now the Kings do! These guys all have dreams of playoff-sugar-plums dancing through their heads. They are fired up and plan on winning the NBA championship. If they almost kill each other, who cares? We got big-time competition going on out there.

Analogy. I believe that racehorse breeders and handlers have to isolate some champion stallions during their racing years. Thoroughbreds can be dangerous to man and beast. The flip side is that they are big and tough, and usually win.

 

[Fillmoe]

i just keep picturing when they fought each other in a game.... when reef was with the hawks and thomas was a rocket

 

[beemerr23]

I like KT and i think he's a good player but wouldn't it make sense to get a player that could rebound and block shots on a consistent basis.

I think this team is a shotblocker away from becoming a True Contender. Just look at how good Dallas plays with a shotblocker who barely puts up points buts just there to block shots and rebound. A guy like Diop is what we need on this team. He's like the perfect example of a role player.

Now I could just say trade SAR for a shotblocker/rebounder and put KT in the bench but I suppose you already know how KT reacts to the bench. KT is a non factor when he's in the bench while giving fits and pouting regarding playing time. So i think SAR is a great 6th man because he can be a go to guy when our other bench players are not producing. He also creates shots for our bench players like Kevin Martin.

Agreed completely, no need to get rid of SAR, he's great off the bench for us. Like I've been sayind and you said, trade the hot headed and inconsistent KT for a strong PF that can rebound and block shots consistently. That's who would rebound if we got rid of KT, it's not like we'd get no one in return.

 

[Sirius]

KT is obviously psychologically weak, we don't want that. He's a good, solid player only if he feels the team is involving him heavily and will give you little if you don't involve him or make him feel like he's important. Hell, Ron gets it. It's not like he's been stellar on offense this year, but he does other things to help the team when he can't hit shots.

 

[loborick]

You identified your self awhile ago as KT fan and not a Kings fan so your statement doesn't upset me too much. It does bother me that you generalize things. Sacramento is one of the rare places where every player is embraced while they are members of the team. Of course people will be critical, but they will also praise him. 95% of us fully support all our players no matter what. If I was able to put my dislike for Ron Artest aside and fully support him, anything is possible

You may be an exception, but the rule on this board is to dis KT. I read this board every day looking for references to KT. 75% of them are negative. Most fan boards are critical when someone isn't playing well, and many of them have their target. On this one, KT is it. Many said KT would not succeed at the NBA level because of his size (he was listed at 6-9 in college but is not even 6-7) but he has shown that, in the proper atmosphere, he can average a double double. He did so a couple of year ago with Philly.

I don't mean to be an advocate of KT, but I feel he has been treated unfairly on this board. As have many other players. I'm still waiting for Artest's meltdown. Watch out next year.

 

[vj9999]

I think in alot of people's minds KT is looked at CWebb's replacement. Many of us are still not over that trade and loss of CWebb that no matter what or how KT does, he will never be looked at as an adequeate replacement for Chris.

 

[Warhawk]

I think in alot of people's minds KT is looked at CWebb's replacement. Many of us are still not over that trade and loss of CWebb that no matter what or how KT does, he will never be looked at as an adequeate replacement for Chris.

I think a lot of folks were disappointed with the lack of a team emphasis he seems to put out when he isn't starting. We want a team that plays like one. Look at the kudos for SAR and Bonzi as an example. They suck it up and come off the bench if need be to help the team. They, too, are used to being starters, but have not complained at all about reduced minutes at times or not starting.

Some of it may be the CWebb thing, but I don't feel that way. You can't "replace" people, they are each an entity to themselves and comparing them in that way is not necessarily fair unless they call the comparison out themselves.

 

[VF21]

You may be an exception, but the rule on this board is to dis KT. I read this board every day looking for references to KT. 75% of them are negative. Most fan boards are critical when someone isn't playing well, and many of them have their target. On this one, KT is it. Many said KT would not succeed at the NBA level because of his size (he was listed at 6-9 in college but is not even 6-7) but he has shown that, in the proper atmosphere, he can average a double double. He did so a couple of year ago with Philly.

I don't mean to be an advocate of KT, but I feel he has been treated unfairly on this board. As have many other players. I'm still waiting for Artest's meltdown. Watch out next year.

And you know what? Life isn't fair.

We here at Kingsfans have arguably the most civilized discussions of our beloved Kings you'll find anywhere on the Internet.

And we're very proud of it.

You're transitory. You're only here, as you admit yourself, to look for things about Kenny Thomas. You are NOT a Kings fan.

We ARE Kings fans. We live, breathe and sleep Kings. We bleed purple.

I have given Kenny Thomas his due but I am not going to pretend there aren't things about him that bother me...a lot.

Kenny has had personnel issues on every single team he's been a part of. And that right there might be the problem. IMHO - and the opinion of a lot of KINGS FANS - with Kenny it's all about Kenny first, team second.

What's unfair isn't the criticisms, ups and downs, emotional outbursts, etc. the regular members on this board post on a daily basis as they watch their team through wins and losses.

What's unfair is the blanket comments you and a few others like you make about our message board. Well, here's a news bulletin: We are what we are. We are the #1 Sacramento Kings Online Community and we're damned proud of it.

If you feel we're unfair to Kenny, that's your wont. We're not going to stop posting our concerns, feelings, comments, criticisms AND praise when we think it's merited.

Have a nice day.

 

[LilMissDiva]

^^ I agree VF, besides - it's not like we seen proof of this alleged 75% thing anyway. I am more prone to believe it if I seen it in Excel spreadsheet form.