Justin Williams

SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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Bricklayer said:
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See...these are the kinds of things where if Justin never does that, never even sniffs that, nobody should be disappointed in the least. Without meaning too you have inadvertently annointed him as a Top 10 center and All Star candidate after a couple of good energy games in the season's garbagetime.

Teams will adapt and adjust once they realize they have to -- not til next year most likely. It will get harder. I have been lobbying for Justin to make this roster and get a shot since last summer, when I was amazed to see that our front office could not distinguish between a nice little hustling tweener in Admundsen and a potential lane clogger in Williams. But if he ever gets to the point where he's a dependable rotation 4/5 it will be a great day. I agree with you with the sorts of things he would need to add to take the next step -- a little half hook, maybe a standstill jumper out to 15' etc. -- but those are the very skills that are difficult to master and which separate the best bigs in the world from the rest. If they were easy to develop, everybody would already have them. Most guys can never master them at all, at least not at an NBA level.
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If Justin was to be a 33 minute a game guy, like in the D-league, he could realistically be a 10 and 10 guy.
 
Entity

Entity

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He has great hands which already gives him at least 2 more shots than KT per game. And the fact that he doesn't look around and dribble once when he doesn't have to before he goes up for a put back layup or in Justins case a dunk. I could see him averaging about 4-6 more ppg than KT since he wouldn't be an offensive focal point if he started unless of cours he does work on some post moves I mean after all its still to early to tell how much potential he has so for now I will say worst case Stromile Swift
 
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Smills91

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Entity said:
He has great hands which already gives him at least 2 more shots than KT per game. And the fact that he doesn't look around and dribble once when he doesn't have to before he goes up for a put back layup or in Justins case a dunk. I could see him averaging about 4-6 more ppg than KT since he wouldn't be an offensive focal point if he started unless of cours he does work on some post moves I mean after all its still to early to tell how much potential he has so for now I will say worst case Stromile Swift
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The fact that he doesn't throw fastballs at the rim from 2 feet away makes him average about 10 points more a game on about 30% higher FG%. Kenny sucks.
 
nbrans

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Entity said:
He has great hands which already gives him at least 2 more shots than KT per game. And the fact that he doesn't look around and dribble once when he doesn't have to before he goes up for a put back layup or in Justins case a dunk. I could see him averaging about 4-6 more ppg than KT since he wouldn't be an offensive focal point if he started unless of cours he does work on some post moves I mean after all its still to early to tell how much potential he has so for now I will say worst case Stromile Swift
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ok, I like Williams, but let's not get carried away. He most certainly does not have good hands, let alone great hands. Luckily his legs are just fine.
 
Kingster

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Now we just have to sign him. He's an easy 10 and 10 guy, that's for sure. We've got to trade Thomas. He'll either be a cancer because Williams is eating up his minutes next year, or he'll take away the minutes from Williams. Addition by subtraction. This organization has to make a commitment to develop the younger players by giving/awarding them minutes, not just at the end of this season when they are playing for nothing, but next season when the wins and loses count for something.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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Kingster said:
Now we just have to sign him. He's an easy 10 and 10 guy, that's for sure.
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People really have to slow down on those fronts. He's looked very good the last few, and IMHO we would have to be idiots not to go ahead and sign him for at least next season (and given his universally applicable big man skillset, I would go 2 yr). But there's no such thing as an easy 10 and 10, let alone from a Justin Williams. That first burst from a guy just arriving is intoxiating, its like the infatuation at the beginning of a love affair. But sooner or later the warts will start showing, and in the NBA sense, will he be able to sustain this energy every night of a long season (unlikely), can he avoid getting banged up with that body (unknown), teams will develop scouting reports on him, make a note to stay between him and the hoop, make him hit a jumper, use pump fakes, tell their post guys to get into his body to take away the shotblocking etc. etc. And I still think he's shown enough, and enough of the right sort of things, that I want him around on this team to see what he can do after all that stuff happens. But its never so easy for a player as in those first free and easy days when nobody knows your game, nobody is concerned about you, and you can just go out and do whatever you want out there.
 
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Superman

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Bricklayer said:
People really have to slow down on those fronts. He's looked very good the last few, and IMHO we would have to be idiots not to go ahead and sign him for at least next season (and given his universally applicable big man skillset, I would go 2 yr). But there's no such thing as an easy 10 and 10, let alone from a Justin Williams. That first burst from a guy just arriving is intoxiating, its like the infatuation at the beginning of a love affair. But sooner or later the warts will start showing, and in the NBA sense, will he be able to sustain this energy every night of a long season (unlikely), can he avoid getting banged up with that body (unknown), teams will develop scouting reports on him, make a note to stay between him and the hoop, make him hit a jumper, use pump fakes, tell their post guys to get into his body to take away the shotblocking etc. etc. And I still think he's shown enough, and enough of the right sort of things, that I want him around on this team to see what he can do after all that stuff happens. But its never so easy for a player as in those first free and easy days when nobody knows your game, nobody is concerned about you, and you can just go out and do whatever you want out there.
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So you're saying we don't have the next Dwight Howard? Damn!!!

;)
 
Emma

Emma

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I agree, Justin needs more conditioning. He really doesn't have bad hands either. It's not like his name is Kwame. The guy deflects to the perimeter and hustles when the rebound isn't right there for the taking.

Anyone else notice that he doesn't get credit for the 2-3 blocks per game he is good for:confused: What the heck!? Does he have to pretend he's Garnett and scream after a block to get it in his box score?
 
gunks

gunks

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#77
The rough percentage of (at least 20 minutes PT) games where the frontcourt player gets double digits in rebounds:

Miller: 19% (10 out of 51 games with at least 20 minutes PT)
KT: 25% (10 out of 39 games with at least 20 minutes PT)

Ok...Those were our "best rebounders" Now onto the sucky ones:

Corliss: 8% (3 out of 35 games with 20 minutes PT)
SAR: 6% (4 out of 58 games with 20 minutes PT)

And now on to Justin Williams:

75%! (3 out of 4 games with at least 20 minutes PT)
 
kupman

kupman

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#78
Bricklayer said:
People really have to slow down on those fronts. He's looked very good the last few, and IMHO we would have to be idiots not to go ahead and sign him for at least next season (and given his universally applicable big man skillset, I would go 2 yr). But there's no such thing as an easy 10 and 10, let alone from a Justin Williams. That first burst from a guy just arriving is intoxiating, its like the infatuation at the beginning of a love affair. But sooner or later the warts will start showing, and in the NBA sense, will he be able to sustain this energy every night of a long season (unlikely), can he avoid getting banged up with that body (unknown), teams will develop scouting reports on him, make a note to stay between him and the hoop, make him hit a jumper, use pump fakes, tell their post guys to get into his body to take away the shotblocking etc. etc. And I still think he's shown enough, and enough of the right sort of things, that I want him around on this team to see what he can do after all that stuff happens. But its never so easy for a player as in those first free and easy days when nobody knows your game, nobody is concerned about you, and you can just go out and do whatever you want out there.
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Agreed! It is a little like the guy who jumps into a marathon race with 2 miles to go and the people on the side say "wow, look at that guy - he sure looks good and strong."

Having said that, JW is one of the few guys is this organization that has overachieved in the past 9 months and it is to have something positive to talk about.
 
Entity

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nbrans said:
ok, I like Williams, but let's not get carried away. He most certainly does not have good hands, let alone great hands. Luckily his legs are just fine.
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I think my problem and the problem of most on this board is we are not comaring him to the other bigs in the NBA but we are comparing him to the pitiful frontline we currently have. So i say great hands because the last 3 seasons I haven't seen a big catch those entry passes to them when the cut like he has shown of late. So let me say this he has Great hands compared to KT, SAR, Brad, and Corlis whom all act as if its a hot potato when it comes in to them then they do this 2 handed bounce under the basket giving the defender plenty of time to react and alter or block their shot.
 
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fnordius

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Right, this team is dying for a Keon Clark, a David Lee, or an Andris Biedrins. Hence all the calls for some sort of trade to bring us Anderson Varejao. Varejao isn't really all that hot either, especially as a shot blocker. We're just desperate to fix some severe shortages.

Justin doesn't has to be great, he just has to be better than KT. As long as he has more upside than Brian Skinner, he will do. He doesn't need to be the next Wilt, the next Nick Collison would be great.
 
bibbinator

bibbinator

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#81
Troy said:
Exactly, Brad and SAR need a defensive athletic big next to them to make their games better. Now the only thing I see stunting Justin is K9 hanging around. If we cannot trade Thomas outright and hopefully not take on too much garbage, then I say we wave him or tell him he is 3rd string behind Justin and SAR at PF. I really hope we can convince SAR to keep doing what he's doing and be our 4/5 backup and start Justin at 4 and Brad at 5. Also hopefully we tank the rest of the year and get a good young big still.

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Maybe K9 can bought out. That might be the best for everyone.
 
SacTownKid

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nbrans said:
ok, I like Williams, but let's not get carried away. He most certainly does not have good hands, let alone great hands. Luckily his legs are just fine.
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I watched Justin in the D-league earlier this season and now with the Kings. From the evidence I have gathered thusfar, he has very good hands.
 
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NewMonkey

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#83
fnordius said:
Right, this team is dying for a Keon Clark, a David Lee, or an Andris Biedrins. Hence all the calls for some sort of trade to bring us Anderson Varejao. Varejao isn't really all that hot either, especially as a shot blocker. We're just desperate to fix some severe shortages.

Justin doesn't has to be great, he just has to be better than KT. As long as he has more upside than Brian Skinner, he will do. He doesn't need to be the next Wilt, the next Nick Collison would be great.
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That's exactly right, and I think he's better than KT right now. Williams probably won't be a Ben Wallace or Marcus Camby, but he doesn't have to be. Heck, I'll be happy if he's as good as Samuel Dalembert.
 
Sluggah

Sluggah

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in a section about bonzi wells in ESPN's weekend dime, ron artest was quoted as saying (after being asked about missing the playoffs)

"The good thing about this season is we found Justin Williams -- one of the best up-and-coming power forwards -- and Kevin is a rising star."

and i was just glad to see justin getting some support/respect from his teammates too.
 
6th

6th

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Sluggah said:
in a section about bonzi wells in ESPN's weekend dime, ron artest was quoted as saying (after being asked about missing the playoffs)

"The good thing about this season is we found Justin Williams -- one of the best up-and-coming power forwards -- and Kevin is a rising star."

and i was just glad to see justin getting some support/respect from his teammates too.
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Very nice words from Artest. I, too, am happy the younguns are getting recognition from the vets.
 
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