Just so we are all clear..................

[Pqster]

Um...

1) Kenny HAS been a 10 rebound a night guy ('03),

2) and SARs progresively wussier routine on the glass is only a trend if you consider rebounding less and less each year for SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS a trend. That must be some kind of bleeping record: 10.1, 9.1, 9.0, 8.4, 7.5, 7.3, 5.0....its like limbo...how low can you go? His career average is 7.8 in 36min. Which is quite poor for a big minute PF. People used to complain about Webb, who in his WORST year still averaged 2 more a game than that. Nor is it any fluke for SAR. At his absolute physical peak, playing 38-40 min a night, he could get you an acceptable 9. Years later, breaking 7 in those kinds of minutes would be worthy of a minor celebration. He started as a SF -- where he was on the strong side as a rebounder. Unfortauntely a strong SF rebounder is still a weenie when you shift him over to mix it up with the big boys.

Actually it was '03 when he averaged a double double along with:

KG
Tim Duncan
Jason Kidd
Shaq
Amari
Elton

There were 9 guys only can't remember them all but as you can see KT was in some pretty good company now if I was really crazy I would say if he was in this company he should be mentioned in the same breath as them. When his minutes droped so did his stats he is one of those guys that kinda picks his spots and when you limit his minutes his windows of opertunity get smaller. Like I said previously some guys don't need to pick there spots they jump in get in the flow and start firing away. KT's not that good he gets in a grove and rides it. Like a boxer or a running back that needs to get a good sweat going. Reggie Bush doesn't but Alexander does it is what it is. Don't be a hater because he doesn't fit what you want him to be take in the body of work and see how it affects the game.

Now that I think about it KT straight across for KG!.......Just kidding relax haters!

 

[VF21]

No need for the "hater" word, Pqster. Sorry if we don't feel the same about KT as you do, but - in all honesty - he hasn't really reached out to the fans since he's been here. It's a two-way street, you know.

Sacramento has a long history of embracing players regardless of what baggage they may bring with them. KT had the chance to reach out. He could have made a couple of the "team first" statements but he didn't. That's on him, not us.

All we ask is that he get out there and do his job and not whine about whether or not he starts. With us, it truly is about the name on the front and not the name on the back. He could at least partially buy into that and everything would be fine.

Perception is everything. KT hasn't given us much reason to think he really wants to be part of the TEAM. It could be right and it could be wrong, but it is what it is.

Oh, and one more thing? Tell him to fix that bleeping FT shot!

 

[Double-K]

I'd rather have a pouty player who brings down 10+ boards a start then a nice player who only gets around 5...Kings have sucked at rebounding for too many seasons now...KT might end up leading the team in that catagory this season if he gets to start throughout.

Then again, they were about equal in rebounding this preseason, KT's average was down and I think SAR's was up...I guess we'll see where they stand 15 games or so into the season.

I don't like KT that much myself in terms of his personality but thats the fact. We suck at rebounding which is what KT known for doing best.

By the way, I think the one thing a coach pay the most attention in preseason games is not how well a player performs in there (Well not that they don't care, but they usually got a general idea from training.) But the player's form. But then again, a player with great form plays well. So.... did I just say something completely meaningless here?

 

[BMiller52]

Actually it was '03 when he averaged a double double along with:

KG
Tim Duncan
Jason Kidd
Shaq
Amari
Elton

There were 9 guys only can't remember them all but as you can see KT was in some pretty good company now if I was really crazy I would say if he was in this company he should be mentioned in the same breath as them. When his minutes droped so did his stats he is one of those guys that kinda picks his spots and when you limit his minutes his windows of opertunity get smaller. Like I said previously some guys don't need to pick there spots they jump in get in the flow and start firing away. KT's not that good he gets in a grove and rides it. Like a boxer or a running back that needs to get a good sweat going. Reggie Bush doesn't but Alexander does it is what it is. Don't be a hater because he doesn't fit what you want him to be take in the body of work and see how it affects the game.

Now that I think about it KT straight across for KG!.......Just kidding relax haters!

I think the other 20/10 guys were Webber and JO.

 

[Bricklayer]

Actually it was '03 when he averaged a double double along with:

KG
Tim Duncan
Jason Kidd
Shaq
Amari
Elton

Er...not sure what you are referring to? Amare has never averaged a double double, and JKidd hasn't since Clinton was president.

In any case, its a cute stat for KT. But of course Danny Fortson has averaged a double double too and not added a single win to his lottery team's total either. Actually a lot of guys in the league who COULD average a double double, if their teams were bad enough that you were forced to throw them out there for 40min. Reggie Evans could do it. Etan Thomas. Anderson Varejao. Etc.

All of which is not to say that KT is not a good rebounder -- he is, although not quite as good as people think he is I think. Gets the long/spectacular rebound to get the cheap seats excited, but if you need a big one close to the hoop, he's too small and short to snag it consistently. And you get to the playoffs and teams slow it down, slug it out, and get serious, and he aburptly disappears as a factor. And it is also to say that rebounding is ALL that he really gives you. Too small to defend anything bigger than an OG. Cannot intimidate as a shotblocker. Has solid passing skills, but not an impact passer, and prone to TOs. Has an on again/off again jumper combined with the ability to drive to the hoop, where, again, his lack of size makes finishing difficult. He's a one trick poney, and Jerry Reynolds' borderline incoherent happy go lucky blabbering aside, the "quickness" in a 6'7" PF is a borderline gimmick. Of course a smaller player is quicker. Doesn't make them qualified to bang inside where the game gets vertical for major minutes. Unless of course mediocrity is your goal.

If you were going to rate him on a 10 scale in the computer game of your choice he might look like:

Rebounding: 8
Inside Off: 5
Outside Off: 6
Passing: 6
Man Defense: 4.5
Help Defense: 3
Intangibles: 3

And then Reef:

Rebounding: 4
Inside Off: 8
Outside Off: 6
Passing: 5
Man Defense: 6.5
Help Defense: 3
Intangibles: 6

And so its apples and oranges, and KT remains useful only as long as Geoff continues to ignore our rebounding patheticness.

 

[nbrans]

Er...not sure what you are referring to? Amare has never averaged a double double, and JKidd hasn't since Clinton was president.

In any case, its a cute stat for KT. But of course Danny Fortson has averaged a double double too and not added a single win to his lottery team's total either. Actually a lot of guys in the league who COULD average a double double, if their teams were bad enough that you were forced to throw them out there for 40min. Reggie Evans could do it. Etan Thomas. Anderson Varejao. Etc.

All of which is not to say that KT is not a good rebounder -- he is, although not quite as good as people think he is I think. Gets the long/spectacular rebound to get the cheap seats excited, but if you need a big one close to the hoop, he's too small and short to snag it consistently. And you get to the playoffs and teams slow it down, slug it out, and get serious, and he aburptly disappears as a factor. And it is also to say that rebounding is ALL that he really gives you. Too small to defend anything bigger than an OG. Cannot intimidate as a shotblocker. Has solid passing skills, but not an impact passer, and prone to TOs. Has an on again/off again jumper combined with the ability to drive to the hoop, where, again, his lack of size makes finishing difficult. He's a one trick poney, and Jerry Reynolds' borderline incoherent happy go lucky blabbering aside, the "quickness" in a 6'7" PF is a borderline gimmick. Of course a smaller player is quicker. Doesn't make them qualified to bang inside where the game gets vertical for major minutes. Unless of course mediocrity is your goal.

I agree, especially with the part about Kenny's quickness. Kenny's quickness is essentially negated in almost every game situation he finds himself in. He's not an effective defender despite his quickness because of his height and lack of bulk, and he's not effective operating out of the post for the same reasons. He's not even effective running the floor because he's not a good finisher.

Basically Kenny's quickness only really helps him when he's operating from the high post and he can either shoot a jump shot or slash to the hoop. But Musselman doesn't run the offense through the high post. Even when Kenny is able to utilize his quickness slashing he's often fouled, and now he can't shoot a free throw.

So what are you left with? Rebounding. And that's pretty much it. And it's not like Kenny is a game-changing rebounder.

And so its apples and oranges, and KT remains useful only as long as Geoff continues to ignore our rebounding patheticness.

Actually, the rebounding hasn't been that bad in the preseason. In theory at least this shouldn't be a terrible rebounding team. Artest should be a better rebounder than he is (and genuinely seems to be working on it), Kevin has the potential to be a good rebounding for the 2 spot, and from a historical perspective Brad Miller and Shareef had off years. The Kings don't have a game-changing rebounder like Shawn Marion or Ben Wallace, but then, there are only four or five of those in the entire league, and I don't think you can fault Geoff for not getting one of them just yet.

 

[LA King Fan II]

Bottom line is he's just not good enough. I think we should comment on his sudden whirl-o-rama attempts at free throwing. He does seem to get fouled a lot, but 40-50% free-throwing will be a detriment to the squad. It's the problem with having a hitch in your shot, and I still worry that Kevin Martin is going to struggle too at the line with that extra jerky he has in his herky.

 

[Pqster]

No need for the "hater" word, Pqster. Sorry if we don't feel the same about KT as you do, but - in all honesty - he hasn't really reached out to the fans since he's been here. It's a two-way street, you know.

Sacramento has a long history of embracing players regardless of what baggage they may bring with them. KT had the chance to reach out. He could have made a couple of the "team first" statements but he didn't. That's on him, not us.

All we ask is that he get out there and do his job and not whine about whether or not he starts. With us, it truly is about the name on the front and not the name on the back. He could at least partially buy into that and everything would be fine.

Perception is everything. KT hasn't given us much reason to think he really wants to be part of the TEAM. It could be right and it could be wrong, but it is what it is.

Oh, and one more thing? Tell him to fix that bleeping FT shot!

Well i'm pretty sure this isn't going to go over well but..............................

and I might be wrong but........................................................................

Unless I'm wrong cause I might be but........................................................................

Do you spend much time in the Locker Room cause you do know that is where the TEAM is. How does the TEAM feels about his ethic and TEAM work, they are I believe the only ones qualified to make that determination. The fan not hearing what they want in the minor blurbs from the Media does not dictate what kind of TEAM player he is. If a teamate made that statement then I would give it some validity, other then that its just an observation and speculation. But if your calling Fans and Players Teamates then you probaly are qualified.

p.s. Don't ask Reef not sure but I think theres a little, tinsy, wensie issue there, lol

Sorry about the "hatter" verbage really didn't think it was offensive. I hate on a lot of things some reasonable some not so. but didn't think it was a bad word. Sorry

 

[kupman]

Do you spend much time in the Locker Room cause you do know that is where the TEAM is. How does the TEAM feels about his ethic and TEAM work, they are I believe the only ones qualified to make that determination. The fan not hearing what they want in the minor blurbs from the Media does not dictate what kind of TEAM player he is. If a teamate made that statement then I would give it some validity, other then that its just an observation and speculation. But if your calling Fans and Players Teamates then you probaly are qualified.

nice post

 

[Warhawk]

Do you spend much time in the Locker Room cause you do know that is where the TEAM is. How does the TEAM feels about his ethic and TEAM work, they are I believe the only ones qualified to make that determination. The fan not hearing what they want in the minor blurbs from the Media does not dictate what kind of TEAM player he is. If a teamate made that statement then I would give it some validity, other then that its just an observation and speculation. But if your calling Fans and Players Teamates then you probaly are qualified.

Well, considering VF is clearly talking about the fans and the city and NOT the team itself, I think you are a bit off on this one....

 

[BJax24]

bottom line is kt needs to step his game up if we plan on competing in may

 

[Double-K]

bottom line is kt needs to step his game up if we plan on competing in may

He needs to step his game up so we can get more from a trade too.

 

[SacKings384]

He needs to step his game up so we can get more from a trade too.

Yup

 

[Troy]

He needs to step his game up so we can get more from a trade too.

Then everyone is a winner, well except the team that gets him after he trade him.

Honestly, I wish K9 the best, but there is no "I" in "TEAM" and he needs to pay more attention to the name on the front of his jersey rather than the back like VF said. We will back you K9 if you don't turn your back on us and be a team player.

 

[Roman]

Honestly, I wish K9 the best, but there is no "I" in "TEAM" and he needs to pay more attention to the name on the front of his jersey rather than the back like VF said.

But, suprisingly there is an 'I' in WIN.

 

[Bricklayer]

The Kings don't have a game-changing rebounder like Shawn Marion or Ben Wallace, but then, there are only four or five of those in the entire league, and I don't think you can fault Geoff for not getting one of them just yet.

Of course not -- its hard to find one of those guys with a good jumper.

 

[Double-K]

Then everyone is a winner, well except the team that gets him after he trade him.

Honestly, I wish K9 the best, but there is no "I" in "TEAM" and he needs to pay more attention to the name on the front of his jersey rather than the back like VF said. We will back you K9 if you don't turn your back on us and be a team player.

No "We" either.....



That reminds me that commerical. lol...... Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Roman]

No "We" either.....

If you jumble it around it says ME!

 

[fnordius]

Maybe KT should become a Jailblazer, everybody gets really calm when they go there.

Perfect salary match for Przybilla and Outlaw. Now all we need is someone to hold a gun to the head of Portland's management.

 

[Roman]

Maybe KT should become a Jailblazer, everybody gets really calm when they go there.

Perfect salary match for Przybilla and Outlaw. Now all we need is someone to hold a gun to the head of Portland's management.

Portland management is notoriously stupid lately. Signing Randolph and Miles to pretty much destroy all of their future was a wonderful move.

I'd love to see KT and Randolph pout over who should start. Someone would die.

 

[Pqster]

Just so we are all clear this post is before the first game!

K9 will prove he belongs in the NBA, On the Sacramento Roster, and in the starting line up!

He will do the blue collor work that every team needs. It just puzzles me that every post I read KT turns out to be the scurge of the earth. With all the experts and professionals the Kings organazation has, people and coaches who have been around the game of basketball for years think highly of the man.

Just so we are all clear.........Kt can score facing the basket, with his back to the basket, from mid-range when he gets the notion or is asked to do so. That is not his role on this team. We all complain about selfish professionals they all want is to get theres! They all want to be on a ESPN highlight film. Yea KT wants to start do you really want a guy around that says he's satisfied coming off the bench? Hell No! A selfish player does not shoot 48% percent from the feild a selfish player does not only take 5 to 7 shots a game. A guy who knows his role and plays in the system that was designed in order to give his team the best chance to win does those things! 3 years ago when he was with Philly AI went down KT took up his average to 20 and 10 because thats what the TEAM needed.

I know, I know his demenore yep your right he's no Mary Poppins! But neither is Artest but his role gives him the opertunity to score and be more visiable so thats ok? The Kings don't pay him to come to your house for Thanksgiving Dinner.....they pay him to do the little things to help your team win! By the way KT could be on top of the world but his face and body language looks like someone just ran over his puppy, don't know what to tell you on that you he to speak to a higher being and ask that question.

And whats with the free throw shooting????????? KT your killing me!

You heard it here first! Go get'em KINGS!

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Not antagonizing............ Just proud of my boy!