JT wants to get traded (and other trade discussion)

[rainmaker]

No one is available and I GUARANTEE if we spend that money on a pg, we will not have it for the time when a shot blocker becomes available.

How so? I outlined above our cap situation in 2016. 29M available to fill out roster after Cuz/Rudy/Dragic(18M)/Ben and 39M available if cap jumps to 90M.

I'd say if we can't get a decent defensive big with that much flexibility after next season, the problem isn't Dragic, it's our FO. Dragic only hurts us this summer.

Edit: Should clarify that buy "available" I mean money available outside our would-be core four, we won't have 29M in cap space to fill. It'll have to be managed.

 

[Glenn]

How so? I outlined above our cap situation in 2016. 29M available to fill out roster after Cuz/Rudy/Dragic(18M)/Ben and 39M available if cap jumps to 90M.

I'd say if we can't get a decent defensive big with that much flexibility after next season, the problem isn't Dragic, it's our FO. Dragic only hurts us this summer.

Edit: Should clarify that buy "available" I mean money available outside our would-be core four, we won't have 29M in cap space to fill. It'll have to be managed.

I'm done for the day. Several hours on Goran is enough. I thought the cap space was going to increase gradually. Perhaps I am wrong. There's more going on in the world.

 

[Chubbs]

Yes, you've got marginal upgrades at the low cost of $22mil as opposed to $9mil.

Afflalo makes sense with Ben, not replacing him.

Dragic makes sense, at least best sense, with both Ben and Collison. Then the backcourt is complete. Take away Collison and its an upgrade at PG, but not an over the top upgrade, and you still have the same problem with no depth.

This is why I don't venture much into the personnel section.

 

[Glenn]

This is why I don't venture much into the personnel section.

Good judgment.

 

[9x1x6]

I'm done for the day. Several hours on Goran is enough. I thought the cap space was going to increase gradually. Perhaps I am wrong. There's more going on in the world.

The players union rejected the gradual cap increase. Itʻs looking like its gonna take a mega jump after next season.

Edit: As well as another lockout. :/

 

[swisshh]

Just since I don't know where to put this:

Cousins, Gay, McLemore and Collison is the most of what you'd call the Kings core right now.

Those four are signed through the next two to three years at a cost of around 38 million a year total. If the cap booms to 90 mil, maxing Dragic isn't an issue long term.

 

[Glenn]

The players union rejected the gradual cap increase. Itʻs looking like its gonna take a mega jump after next season.

Edit: As well as another lockout. :/

So the players union has full say? Interesting.

 

[9x1x6]

So the players union has full say? Interesting.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/steve_aschburner/02/13/nba-players-union-meeting/

NEW YORK -- Always be closing. Always be closing.

And never, apparently, be smoothing.

In the National Basketball Players Association's annual All-Star meeting of player representatives Friday afternoon, the union sent the NBA and its fans a message that negotiations of the next collective bargaining agreement with the owners aren't neatly tucked away until 2017 (when the current deal can be re-opened) or even 2016 (formal talks might reasonably be expected to begin).

They're here now, with the union's rejection of two "smoothing" proposals from the NBA to manage the flood of new money from dramatically increased TV rights fees beginning with the 2016-17 season. Michele Roberts, the NBPA's new executive director, said the team reps voted unanimously to reject both proposals during a meeting that included about 50 players.

What that could mean, if left unaddressed, would be an abrupt hike in the league's salary cap from an estimated $68 million in 2015-16 to, say, $90 million for 2016-17. That's when the new nine-year, $24 billion TV deal kicks in at nearly triple the current broadcast fees. Boosting the cap number that suddenly could make virtually every team in the NBA a bidder for the lucky free agents of 2016. Rosters could be entirely rebuilt, or completely destroyed, all in a few weeks time.

 

[Glenn]

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/steve_aschburner/02/13/nba-players-union-meeting/

I'd love to know what is meant by "if left unaddressed." I assume it means the league doesn't have to agree. All teams have the same benefits and headaches. I think it would take some time to know if the Kings come out ahead. If you read the last sentence, it sounds like there could be chaos.

 

[lawlman91]

<Something about my quotes>

#Satire

 

[9x1x6]

I'd love to know what is meant by "if left unaddressed." I assume it means the league doesn't have to agree. All teams have the same benefits and headaches. I think it would take some time to know if the Kings come out ahead. If you read the last sentence, it sounds like there could be chaos.

Yeah but we are set. 2016 and 2017 seasons we have Boogie and Rudy LOCKED up cheap as ****.

Itʻs also my main reason for wanting to throw a max contract at Dragic, itʻll be a value contract after next season. His 18.5mil a season would be about 25.5 mil under the new cap.

 

[hrdboild]

I don't like him at that salary number, but I hardly think 28 qualifies as on the decline, particularly with a guy who's only been in the league 6 years. Rudy's 28. Collison is 27. Late 20s kind of translates as "in prime and ready to win".

He may have joined the NBA in 2008, but he played professionally for 5 years before that so it's not like he has fresh legs. I don't know that he's going to decline very quickly in 2 years, it just seems like a pretty good guess based on the average NBA career.

Just since I don't know where to put this:

Cousins, Gay, McLemore and Collison is the most of what you'd call the Kings core right now.

Those four are signed through the next two to three years at a cost of around 38 million a year total. If the cap booms to 90 mil, maxing Dragic isn't an issue long term.

It is an issue if Dragic is giving you mid-level production for multiple years at max contract cost.

 

[ParniValjak]

He may have joined the NBA in 2008, but he played professionally for 5 years before that so it's not like he has fresh legs. I don't know that he's going to decline very quickly in 2 years, it just seems like a pretty good guess based on the average NBA career.

Lets get one this real here.

He definitely played professionally in Europe but keep in mind that the games are shorter in Europe and there are no where near as many games as there are in the NBA. In majority of cases, teams participating in their own league and Euroleague or Eurocup play on average at most 2 games a week. The wear and tear on his body would be nowhere near as bad as if he played those 5 years in the NBA with significant minutes.

No need to compare apples to oranges.

 

[hrdboild]

That's so fallacious. Basketball is a team game. There are starters, and then there are subs. The subs and supporting players (including Ben McLemore) on last years team sucked. None of Isaiah, Gay, or Cousins were holding the team back. Ben's biggest improvement has come defensively, which has very little to do with touches or Isaiah Thomas unless you wish to contend that Isaiah never talked on defense, which no one can prove.

Oh look, it's my favorite argument from last year, back from the dead. Pass.

 

[9x1x6]

It is an issue if Dragic is giving you mid-level production for multiple years at max contract cost.

So you think Dragic will have the same stats playing PG for us as he does playing SG for the Suns?

 

[swisshh]

He may have joined the NBA in 2008, but he played professionally for 5 years before that so it's not like he has fresh legs. I don't know that he's going to decline very quickly in 2 years, it just seems like a pretty good guess based on the average NBA career.



It is an issue if Dragic is giving you mid-level production for multiple years at max contract cost.

Not at max contract cost of the current cap. Say the move gets made and it's JT & Stauskas for Dragic. Kings manage to convince Dragic to resign here. He gets 18-20 million a year. Cap pops to 90 million after next year. Cousins, Gay and Dragic are costing you a total of 38 million of a 90 million cap. Throw in retaining McLemore and maybe its 47 million for most of your starting 5. That's still half your cap left to spend on filling out the roster.

 

[9x1x6]

Not at max contract cost of the current cap. Say the move gets made and it's JT & Stauskas for Dragic. Kings manage to convince Dragic to resign here. He gets 18-20 million a year. Cap pops to 90 million after next year. Cousins, Gay and Dragic are costing you a total of 38 million of a 90 million cap. Throw in retaining McLemore and maybe its 47 million for most of your starting 5. That's still half your cap left to spend on filling out the roster.

A core of 4 players in their prime on MY team?

Donʻt get my hopes up like that. You tease.

 

[Spike]

No way you max Dragic. It's more philosophical than cap related, but he isn't a max player, and wouldn't be one here. Everyone asks for the max. You'd be a fool not to.

That said, I do believe he would be a good fit, and a half season with Cousins, Gay, and Karl would go a long way.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I'd love to know what is meant by "if left unaddressed." I assume it means the league doesn't have to agree.

I think it means the league is probably going to put at least one more smoothing proposal before the players. It would seem that the league and the players DO have to agree - if they didn't the league would just have implemented a smoothing system and told the players to deal with it. But the CBA doesn't allow that and I think that the reason behind these proposals was to try to form an agreement between the two parties. Obviously the NBA wants to have some sort of smoothing, and there's nothing that says they can't continue to try to address it. I'm pretty sure that's what that line means.

 

[hrdboild]

Lets get one this real here.

He definitely played professionally in Europe but keep in mind that the games are shorter in Europe and there are no where near as many games as there are in the NBA. In majority of cases, teams participating in their own league and Euroleague or Eurocup play on average at most 2 games a week. The wear and tear on his body would be nowhere near as bad as if he played those 5 years in the NBA with significant minutes.

No need to compare apples to oranges.

I'm not saying the two are comparable. I'm saying that Dragic may have played only 6 seasons in the NBA (though it's 7 years at this point...) but he wasn't exactly sitting around doing nothing before that. 29 is 29. For some players it's not a problem. Vlade Divac for instance. For others, it's the beginning of the end. Like, for instance, every other member of our classic 2002 lineup. And don't try to tell me Webber shouldn't count because greater risk of injury is one of the primary reasons players tend to decline after age 29. I suppose Doug was still pretty good for a few more years, but he also didn't have a decline period. He just hit a wall and was done at 34.

 

[hrdboild]

Not at max contract cost of the current cap. Say the move gets made and it's JT & Stauskas for Dragic. Kings manage to convince Dragic to resign here. He gets 18-20 million a year. Cap pops to 90 million after next year. Cousins, Gay and Dragic are costing you a total of 38 million of a 90 million cap. Throw in retaining McLemore and maybe its 47 million for most of your starting 5. That's still half your cap left to spend on filling out the roster.

I don't have a problem with maxing somebody, I have an issue with it being Goran Dragic. Obviously.

 

[sdballer]

Not at max contract cost of the current cap. Say the move gets made and it's JT & Stauskas for Dragic. Kings manage to convince Dragic to resign here. He gets 18-20 million a year. Cap pops to 90 million after next year. Cousins, Gay and Dragic are costing you a total of 38 million of a 90 million cap. Throw in retaining McLemore and maybe its 47 million for most of your starting 5. That's still half your cap left to spend on filling out the roster.

The math isn't adding up. Dragic at 20, cuz at 17, gay at 14= 51. Mac is at 4-5 before his deal ends, Landry still at 7, collison at 5+. That puts us at 68 so 22 million for a starting 4, backup 2, backup 3, backup 5 and filler. That's before considering extensions for gay and cuz in the following 1-2 seasons.

 

[swisshh]

The math isn't adding up. Dragic at 20, cuz at 17, gay at 14= 51. Mac is at 4-5 before his deal ends, Landry still at 7, collison at 5+. That puts us at 68 so 22 million for a starting 4, backup 2, backup 3, backup 5 and filler. That's before considering extensions for gay and cuz in the following 1-2 seasons.

Ah you're right. Cousins bumps up to 18 mil. I imagine you move Landry though.

Still, my view is that the team with the most prime guys on old-cap contracts will be in the ideal spot in the coming years. The major issue is finding the right PF to fit next to Cousins. That will cost the team.

 

[9x1x6]

Ah you're right. Cousins bumps up to 18 mil. I imagine you move Landry though.

Still, my view is that the team with the most prime guys on old-cap contracts will be in the ideal spot in the coming years. The major issue is finding the right PF to fit next to Cousins. That will cost the team.

Cauley-Stein? pleaseeeee

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Just since I don't know where to put this:

Cousins, Gay, McLemore and Collison is the most of what you'd call the Kings core right now.

Those four are signed through the next two to three years at a cost of around 38 million a year total. If the cap booms to 90 mil, maxing Dragic isn't an issue long term.

"If" being the operative term; I'd hate for us to find ourselves in a situation where our ability to make moves requires us to count on a fifty percent increase in the cap.

 

[ParniValjak]

I'm not saying the two are comparable. I'm saying that Dragic may have played only 6 seasons in the NBA (though it's 7 years at this point...) but he wasn't exactly sitting around doing nothing before that. 29 is 29. For some players it's not a problem. Vlade Divac for instance. For others, it's the beginning of the end. Like, for instance, every other member of our classic 2002 lineup. And don't try to tell me Webber shouldn't count because greater risk of injury is one of the primary reasons players tend to decline after age 29. I suppose Doug was still pretty good for a few more years, but he also didn't have a decline period. He just hit a wall and was done at 34.

You are making it sound that because Dragic played professionally he has as many miles in the legs as if he played in the NBA from younger age which is simply not the case. He played for lower level teams in Europe who participated in their local competitions only and in the cup (where they were early exits). This equates to 1 game per week in a season that is 20 games at most.

His only "bigger" club was for one season where he played for KK Olimpija and they participated in euroleague that year and did not get out of the group stage. Thats the most careers he has played in his pre-NBA career.

While he played professionaly in Europe the intensity and frequency of practices and games if far superior. All of his professional seasons in Europe equates at most to a season and a half in the NBA. Hardly a physical wear and tear that you are suggesting

 

[Entity]

Apparently according to coach Karl. Rudy could be our next PF

 

[ParniValjak]

Apparently according to coach Karl. Rudy could be our next PF

Not a fan of this at all!

 

[Entity]

Not a fan of this at all!

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Chris webber
Zach Randolph
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Al horford
Blake griffin
Rudy gay

1 of these is not like the others

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Chris webber
Zach Randolph
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Al horford
Blake griffin
Rudy gay

1 of these is not like the others

It's Tim Duncan, isn't it?