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[iowamcnabb]

This is a really tough situation for the team and Richaun to be in. He probably has zero trade value and we aren’t going to give up a first round pick to get out of his contract. The only place I could see him being traded is Indiana. They have the cap space to absorb him and maybe they think they can revive his career with Hali. Would they take 2 seconds? This years and a future? I didn’t look to see if they have an ender to trade back to us or not.
rumor has it Turner has turned down an extension, maybe they will need a back up center to stay competitive while getting value for Myles.

Holmes has next year and then a player option left on his contract. If you were him, would you agree to declining that option if it meant you could get traded this off-season? That’s a lot of money to turn down but on the other hand he is going to likely end up glued to the pine for the rest of his prime if he doesn’t. Such a good dude and great teammate, hate to see this for him. If he was willing to decline that option early ( not sure if that’s even possible) a trade becomes much more likely as he would be an ended next season. We really need that extra space this year as we won’t have it for the foreseeable future after.

 

[funkykingston]

Right now I don't see any reason to give up assets just to part ways with Holmes. The Kings are unlikely to sign any big impact free agents (Monk is probably the biggest FA since Vlade) so the cap room isn't of much use and although McNair has a poor track record with second rounders, I'd rather gamble on those 2 SRPs getting a role player than trading them just to move Richaun.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Right now I don't see any reason to give up assets just to part ways with Holmes. The Kings are unlikely to sign any big impact free agents (Monk is probably the biggest FA since Vlade) so the cap room isn't of much use and although McNair has a poor track record with second rounders, I'd rather gamble on those 2 SRPs getting a role player than trading them just to move Richaun.

Generally I’d agree on free agency but this is our best chance to sign someone maybe ever. If we finish with a winning record, a well respected coach signed long term, a fun style of basketball, an arena atmosphere getting attention and some selfless players, I think we are a lot more attractive than years past. We have extra seconds laying around so I’d be ok giving up one this year. If we come back with a big free agent (Barnes or an upgrade) another mid level type, a first round pick and a second this year that would be good with me

 

[iowamcnabb]

Keeping him for salary filler is an option but since we don’t have access to our picks it’s hard to imagine a big trade coming

 

[twslam07]

You have to try and move him for cap space either at the trade deadline or during the off-season. I’m not giving up a 1st to do it but I’m okay with surrendering however many 2nd round picks are needed.

If literally nobody will take him with the incentive attached, then we need to look at moving him for another negative value contract who is an upgrade, better fit on the floor for us. Can’t just let that cap space sit on the bench when we’re trying to be competitive.

 

[The_Jamal]

Probably the best options I see are attaching 2nds to him for better fitting options like McBuckets or Plumlee. Perhaps another issue is there's only like 5 teams right now that are really outside of the play-in game (assuming teams don't pull the plug right away), so not a lot of teams are looking to sell in the immediate future

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Have to wonder if a team who is not planning to contend for a season or two would do a deal like Jamal posting above if we sent some cash their way to pay for part of that contract rather than picks.

 

[The_Jamal]

Have to wonder if a team who is not planning to contend for a season or two would do a deal like Jamal posting above if we sent some cash their way to pay for part of that contract rather than picks.

Yeah in a perfect world, I'd like to send our expirings+2nds for a reasonably good rotation player and then have the Spurs, DET or CHA bite on a Plumlee, Noel or McBuckets swap for Holmes+2nds

https://twitter.com/x/status/1612845221183635459

And if Holmes is immovable, I think you still have to send the expirings+2nds and get a bench piece.

 

[SacTownKid]

No way in all heck does he turn that option down at this point. His agent would implode, lol. Saw this coming last deadline and it's probably too late now ASSUMING Monte could have moved him then. I think I was even thinking pulling the old CWebb of getting "more movable pieces" was even worth it at the time.

As for now, on draft night hopefully Monte swings a pick dump to get at least some of that salary moved if Monte stands pat at the deadline.

 

[iowamcnabb]

No way in all heck does he turn that option down at this point. His agent would implode, lol. Saw this coming last deadline and it's probably too late now ASSUMING Monte could have moved him then. I think I was even thinking pulling the old CWebb of getting "more movable pieces" was even worth it at the time.

As for now, on draft night hopefully Monte swings a pick dump to get at least some of that salary moved if Monte stands pat at the deadline.

it would be an unlikely move but I’d rather have my freedom than the cash. I’d bet on myself to turn my career around instead of ending it prematurely on the pine.

 

[macadocious]

Something happened to the young man last year. He went through some freak injuries and then the kid situation. All of that some how has changed how he plays. He looks timid, unsure and his confidence is shot. The things he used to do well he can't even do right now. Unfortunatley, with 2.5 years left on his deal, he's going to have to be salary filler in a larger trade. Nobody is trading FOR him.

 

[SacTownKid]

it would be an unlikely move but I’d rather have my freedom than the cash. I’d bet on myself to turn my career around instead of ending it prematurely on the pine.

I think it's totally dependent on his agent figuring there is a team he can start for. Look around, I don't see any teams putting out MLE+ money on a backup C at this point. I mean, the Kings have obvious backup C issues but that's because they run out a crop of basically PF's there most nights. That said backup C is the least valuable position in the entire league. The Biyombo's, Drummonds, etc. are all around that 3 million per mark. Holmes is likely the new K9/JT unless a team gets desperate. Lets hope that happens or Monte can work him into a bigger deal for salary reasons that nets the Kings another top 3 option.

 

[Das_Boot]

Something happened to the young man last year. He went through some freak injuries and then the kid situation. All of that some how has changed how he plays. He looks timid, unsure and his confidence is shot. The things he used to do well he can't even do right now. Unfortunatley, with 2.5 years left on his deal, he's going to have to be salary filler in a larger trade. Nobody is trading FOR him.

Feel bad for the guy. He went from a fan favorite to... the opposite of that in less than half a season. If people have to have a loser out of the Haliburton/Sabonis trade, he's your man.

 

[Fantazija]

Feel bad for the guy. He went from a fan favorite to... the opposite of that in less than half a season. If people have to have a loser out of the Haliburton/Sabonis trade, he's your man.

Good point

 

[iowamcnabb]

if we needed to we could use the stretch provision to free up some cash. If I’m understanding it correctly it would spread his cap hit out over 5 years at 5 mil a year. Probably not enough of a difference to then hade him on the books for an additional 3 years.

 

[Warhawk]

Feel bad for the guy. He went from a fan favorite to... the opposite of that in less than half a season. If people have to have a loser out of the Haliburton/Sabonis trade, he's your man.

I disagree on the first part. I still really like Holmes. Just because he's not fitting in after everything that happened last year and the coaching/roster change, etc., doesn't mean I like him any less. It just means it isn't working out here on the court.

 

[macadocious]

I disagree on the first part. I still really like Holmes. Just because he's not fitting in after everything that happened last year and the coaching/roster change, etc., doesn't mean I like him any less. It just means it isn't working out here on the court.

Right, I don't think anyone is like "eff that guy" we all want him to do better, but at a certain point you have to perform. This isn't just some bad shooting nights or whatever. It's a completely different player.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Right, I don't think anyone is like "eff that guy" we all want him to do better, but at a certain point you have to perform. This isn't just some bad shooting nights or whatever. It's a completely different player.

Kingsfandom is such a weird thing because I think a lot of us genuinely like Richaun and want him to do well here or somewhere else while there are certainly people that think his contract is coming out of their friday paychecks for some reason and do literally hate him.

also we have people here and in the fandom that literally hate our two best players and think they suck.

 

[The_Jamal]

I disagree on the first part. I still really like Holmes. Just because he's not fitting in after everything that happened last year and the coaching/roster change, etc., doesn't mean I like him any less. It just means it isn't working out here on the court.

Holmes was a big reason the Walton years were even somewhat bearable. And you always have to root for a guy who was signed as an after-thought, beats out the starter that was given a 4-year deal, beats out the #2 overall pick and turned himself into a great starter for 2 and a half years.

Classic case where he needs a change of scenery and can maybe find that old form with another team. Unfortunately just don't think he'll get back to that with us anymore

 

[iowamcnabb]

Holmes was a big reason the Walton years were even somewhat bearable. And you always have to root for a guy who was signed as an after-thought, beats out the starter that was given a 4-year deal, beats out the #2 overall pick and turned himself into a great starter for 2 and a half years.

Classic case where he needs a change of scenery and can maybe find that old form with another team. Unfortunately just don't think he'll get back to that with us anymore

2 more years riding pine is going to be really difficult for him. The other thing is Uh oh has bounced around a bit, might be even more difficult for Jr to find a fit 2 years from now

 

[Fantazija]

I disagree on the first part. I still really like Holmes. Just because he's not fitting in after everything that happened last year and the coaching/roster change, etc., doesn't mean I like him any less. It just means it isn't working out here on the court.

I think the idea was that Holmes went from a fan favorite as a player to an opposite.Not as a human being.I doubt anyone hating on him for complaining or being a distraction since that is absolutely not the case.

 

[Warhawk]

I think the idea was that Holmes went from a fan favorite as a player to an opposite.Not as a human being.I doubt anyone hating on him for complaining or being a distraction since that is absolutely not the case.

Well, the wording of the post I quoted may be a bit ambiguous but struck me as a comment that fans no longer like him. That’s what I was referring to.

 

[Das_Boot]

Well, the wording of the post I quoted may be a bit ambiguous but struck me as a comment that fans no longer like him. That’s what I was referring to.

Yeah, I definitely meant as a player. I don't think there's anyone here wouldn't love to see him pull things together but his minutes so far this season have been more bad than good and unfortunately it's not even close.

 

[ockingsfan]

Classic case where he needs a change of scenery and can maybe find that old form with another team. Unfortunately just don't think he'll get back to that with us anymore

I think a reunion with Haliburton would do wonders for Holmes. Holmes needs a PG that feeds him lobs and sets him up for easy baskets to get maximum value out of him.

Maybe we can get a creative 3 way deal with Indiana and the Clippers. If we can somehow get Robert Covington in the deal, who is also wasting away on the Clippers bench, after signing a very similar deal to Holmes. Indiana may be on the look out for center help since Myles Turner is rumored to want out in the summer. I'm not sure what the Clippers would want in any such trade though.

 

[PorchSurfin]

Holmes was a big reason the Walton years were even somewhat bearable. And you always have to root for a guy who was signed as an after-thought, beats out the starter that was given a 4-year deal, beats out the #2 overall pick and turned himself into a great starter for 2 and a half years.

Classic case where he needs a change of scenery and can maybe find that old form with another team. Unfortunately just don't think he'll get back to that with us anymore

Says a lot about that #2 pick...

 

[coolhandluke]

Says a lot about that #2 pick...

Says a lot about the GM that picked him at #2

 

[Spike]

Says a lot about the GM that picked him at #2

Both statements can be true.