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The Hawks May Look To Move J-Smoove

After extending Al Horford to the tune of 5 years, $60 million, speculation is growing that the Hawks will want to clear some salary before the summer. Chad Ford writes: “Clearly the Hawks love Horford and the toughness he brings to their front line, but can they really afford him after giving more than $100 million to Joe Johnson this summer? Several GMs believe the Hawks won’t be able to keep Johnson ($18.5 million in 2011-12), Josh Smith ($12.5 million in 2011-12), Marvin Williams ($8 million in 2011-12) and Horford ($12 million in 2011-12) together past this season for financial reasons. While Horford’s new salary won’t push the Hawks into the luxury tax, it will put them very close. The move means they won’t be able to afford to re-sign Jamal Crawford, or replace him with a similar salaried player next season, without incurring the tax. That situation is already leading to speculation that GM Rick Sund may be forced to put Smith on the market soon. Sund briefly flirted with trading Smith last summer, before pulling back. While no one is claiming he’s been made available yet, a number of GMs around the league expect his name to be in the mix by the February trade deadline. Williams would be the Hawks’ first choice to move, but he didn’t get a lot of bites when he was available this summer. That could push them to see what they can get for Smith.”
 
Who's John Smith???

And are you proposing we trade for him or what ... because all I see is that the Hawks may want to trade Josh Smith.

Again ... who's john Smith?
 
mac said:
Who's John Smith???

And are you proposing we trade for him or what ... because all I see is that the Hawks may want to trade Josh Smith.

Again ... who's john Smith?
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I think we all know he's refering to Josh Smith. Cut him some slack, we all make typo's...
 
mac said:
Who's John Smith???

And are you proposing we trade for him or what ... because all I see is that the Hawks may want to trade Josh Smith.

Again ... who's john Smith?
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John Smith = good friend of Pocahontas'.

Josh Smith = Exciting, still young (25 in December) power forward. Elite shot-blocker, former slam-dunk champion, outstanding athlete, kind of guy you'd pay money to see.

Yeah, would love to have him, but some of the blogs are talking about the Hawks using Smith to try to get Chris Paul or another top-shelf player. Not sure what the Kings could offer that would tempt Atlanta, at least at this stage of the season. If you're committed to Evans and Cousins, what combination of players and draft picks would be enough? Can't see the Hawks going for Cisco, Landry and a top-five protected first-rounder.
 
We should at least make an offer along those lines. I can't see many teams willing to trade their stars for him so If they are desperate enough for some extra cash while still getting back some decent talent the Kings would be an option. Smith would bring alot of the things were looking for.
 
Kings Faithful said:
We should at least make an offer along those lines. I can't see many teams willing to trade their stars for him so If they are desperate enough for some extra cash while still getting back some decent talent the Kings would be an option. Smith would bring alot of the things were looking for.
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Oh, the Kings absolutely should do due diligence and make an offer. He's a legit talent. Comes down to: 1) what other teams are willing to offer; 2) how the Hawks' view their payroll situation; and 3) Whether the Maloofs are willing to take on additional salary.

It's not LaBron-Wade-Bosh, but Evans-Cousins-Josh Smith would be a very nice young troika to continue to build around. As you said, Smith would bring a lot of the things we're looking for.
 
Very interesting idea, because while I like the defense that Dalembert has brought to the team, I'm not sure we can keep him long term if he can Cousins can't share the floor for long stretches at a time. Smith, however, would at least bring some shotblocking to the table if we wanted to bring him in. I honestly haven't watched Atlanta play in years, though, so my question would be can he actually play PF in the west?
 
LPKingsFan said:
I honestly haven't watched Atlanta play in years, though, so my question would be can he actually play PF in the west?
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It's a fair question, because Smith certainly isn't as big as a Duncan, Gasol, Aldridge or Scola. He's not a prototypical power forward. Then again, I think most folks would regard him as a significant upgrade over Landry and/or JT.
 
Josh Smith remains one of the most overrated players in the NBA, as a PF at elast. Move him back to his natural position at SF and we can talk. As a undersized weenie non-rebounding PF without a post game you can keep him and watch all your cherished highlight reel plays on video while your team is stiting things out every May.

There is BTW a gulf of difference betwen Smith, who is a shotblocker, and Dalembert who is a defender who blocks shots. I do agree with the proposition that if Daly cannot play alongside Cousins at least part of the time we may not be able to keep him because he's going to want more than 15-18 min a game, and more money than you can play a guy with those kind of numbers,
 
Sorry about the typo but yes as a SF i believe he can help us greatly and if the hawks are indeed looking to offload him then i do feel we should explore options considering Dontes somewhat decline
 
Bricklayer said:
Josh Smith remains one of the most overrated players in the NBA, as a PF at elast. Move him back to his natural position at SF and we can talk. As a undersized weenie non-rebounding PF without a post game you can keep him and watch all your cherished highlight reel plays on video while your team is stiting things out every May.

There is BTW a gulf of difference betwen Smith, who is a shotblocker, and Dalembert who is a defender who blocks shots. I do agree with the proposition that if Daly cannot play alongside Cousins at least part of the time we may not be able to keep him because he's going to want more than 15-18 min a game, and more money than you can play a guy with those kind of numbers,
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Dude is actually a pretty good rebounder. I mean, he's no Reggie Evans or anything.. 8.7 rpg last season, 9rpg so far this season. Quite a few other seasons of 8+.

I wouldnt go crazy in a trade or anything, but if we could get him for Landry/Greene or something, we'd definately be getting a "tweener" upgrade. Cuz is gonna handle our offense in the post. If Smith could give us some midrange game (which I'm not sure he has) and slashing (he could beat a lot of PFs) it could be an upgrade from the non rebounding blackhole that is Landry. Defensively he isnt going to lock people down, like you mentioned, but he'll cause a bit of havok with steals and weakside shotblocking.
 
hes been working hard at his midrange game the past few offseasons that much i know, dont really get a chance to see many hawks games so im not sure if its translating but he is working on it
 
One of my favourite players to watch in the league.

Love Smiths game;

clearly I'm alone in that thought but hey would love to see him on the kings...
 
Bricklayer said:
Move him back to his natural position at SF and we can talk. As a undersized weenie non-rebounding PF without a post game you can keep him and watch all your cherished highlight reel plays on video while your team is stiting things out every May.
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I agree.

This is why I am okay losing the very good but sadly undersized PF Landry too. He just cannot be your full-time or main PF (or starter PF) on this team if what we want is to at least reach the Conference Finals in the future. There are full-sized PF in the western conference that he is not capable of guarding. Of course, if he can play the SF well, then I might be okay re-signing him. Same line of reasoning I apply to Josh Smith.

I can imagine a SF Josh Smith and C Dalembert wearing the Kings uniform swatting the ball and with Evans and Cousins providing the 1-2 offensive punch. If we can add Ricky Rubio to make the plays - voila we are an instant championship contender. That would be awesome.
 
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Josh Smith for Landry/Greene or JT in place of Landry would be awesome. Who said he's not a good rebounder??? Crazy! He's not the best, but he is better than Landry. Well his avg. at least.
 
REKE-DMC said:
Josh Smith for Landry/Greene or JT in place of Landry would be awesome. Who said he's not a good rebounder??? Crazy! He's not the best, but he is better than Landry. Well his avg. at least.
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Being better than Landry doesn't make him a good rebounder. I'm not necessarily complaining about his rebounding, but he's not a very good rebounder. Relies on athleticism, not fundamentally sound, doesn't box out with any regularity. The plus side is that if he ever did dedicate himself to the fundamental aspects of rebounding, he'd be very good at it.

And as for his defense, Brick nailed it. He blocks shots, but he's not a good defender. At least not to this point.

Also worth considering is the fact that he has $37 million left on his contract over three years. No thanks.
 
Section 101 said:
What is this the bee? I expect people to at least get the names right here !
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Let me put it this way. First off I'm protecting my own a$$ for the future in case I make a mistake. Secondly, if you had made the mistake, my response would have been the same. I'm just a nice guy at heart......
 
gunks said:
Dude is actually a pretty good rebounder. I mean, he's no Reggie Evans or anything.. 8.7 rpg last season, 9rpg so far this season. Quite a few other seasons of 8+.

I wouldnt go crazy in a trade or anything, but if we could get him for Landry/Greene or something, we'd definately be getting a "tweener" upgrade. Cuz is gonna handle our offense in the post. If Smith could give us some midrange game (which I'm not sure he has) and slashing (he could beat a lot of PFs) it could be an upgrade from the non rebounding blackhole that is Landry. Defensively he isnt going to lock people down, like you mentioned, but he'll cause a bit of havok with steals and weakside shotblocking.
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I do agree with Bricky about moving him to SF. I think he could be a pretty good defender at that position. He's an above average athlete with good quickness and hops. He's shot right at 50% overall from the floor the last two years, while at the same time taking fewer 3Pt shots, which is probably a good thing because he's not very good from beyond the arc. As his long range game has diminished, his mid-range game has improved. Most of his scoring comes from cutting to the basket and mid-range jumpers. His rebounding is a little better than Bricky infered. But if Bricky was meaning tough rebounds under the basket, then I agree with him. Most of his rebounds are of the slashing between two players and stealing the rebound type. I wouldn't mind having him on the team, but his price tag is pretty high, and thats not counting what you would have to give up to get him.
 
I posted this in the general NBA topic, but I'm glad someone decided to start one here because I think it's an interesting idea. I don't like Josh Smith as a PF any more than I like Carl Landry at SF. It's just not a good fit. But as a SF to slot into the starting lineup he does a lot of things that can help us. He's not a great post defender or a fundamentally sound perimeter defender, but he is quick and long and athletic and has seemed to step up his game in the playoffs the last couple years. His weak side shot blocking is not something to be taken lightly. He's averaging four blocks a game right now and a lot of those would have been layups so that's taking 2-8 points off the board right there. And I also think the excitement/entertainment he would bring to the team would help to bring in more casual fans. He's the kind of player that some fans will follow wherever they play.

The biggest question for me is what this means for Casspi. I think the writing is already on the wall regarding Donte. He's probably not going to be a starter here and his time with the team is probably limited. Maybe I'm jumping the gun on that, but we've seen this happen before with other players. I think Casspi has a chance to establish himself as a solid starter though with enough time and bringing in Josh Smith would obviously de-rail that plan. Smith is young enough to slide into our current core and help us right away. He's the kind of player we'll be looking for in free agency anyway and his contract is pretty reasonable for what he does on the floor. But the end result is a mixed bag if that move ends up costing us both Donte and Casspi.
 
Why don't we get something out of Landry's expiring contract and use him in a package for Smith? Realistically Landry will command a hefty contract in the offseason and I don't think he's worth it/we'd pay him


Smith would be a solid SF for us. Instantly make our team more exciting at the very least
 
Why would Atlanta want an expiring Landry?

TheWileyVet said:
Why don't we get something out of Landry's expiring contract and use him in a package for Smith? Realistically Landry will command a hefty contract in the offseason and I don't think he's worth it/we'd pay him


Smith would be a solid SF for us. Instantly make our team more exciting at the very least
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To Remain competitive now and to gain a butt load of salary flexibility after the broke the bank on Joe Johnson this past off-season. You gotta think of it this way. They want to keep Jamal Crawford and Crawford + Landry is probably just a smidge more than J-Smoove going forwards and I think those two players make the Hawks a better team than just Smoove by himself.

I also disagree about Smith as a SF. He's not. His shooting/ball handline are subpar for a SF.

I think he creates POSITIVE mis-matches for most 4 due to his quickness and athleticism. I think he can guard the majority of 4's in the league with the exceptions being many of the traditional old-school 4's like Duncan who are old and retiring soon anyways. He's more 4/3 than he is 3/4
 
mr. moustache said:
Why would Atlanta want an expiring Landry?
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Don't know if they would or not. But right now, after signing Al Horford to an extension they're almost into the luxury tax zone, and some relief might look good to them. They have Jamal Crawford who is on the last year of his contract whom I'm sure they would love to resign. He was a very valuable player for them last year averaging 18 pts a game and can play both guard positions.

Unless they can shed some salary there's no way they resign Crawford. And even if they don't, they simply don't have any wiggle room left. So if they're really willing to trade Smith, I think they'll be looking for either an expiring contract in return, or a young player thats not making much, thats coming from a team able to absorb Smith's contract.
 
bajaden said:
Don't know if they would or not. But right now, after signing Al Horford to an extension they're almost into the luxury tax zone, and some relief might look good to them. They have Jamal Crawford who is on the last year of his contract whom I'm sure they would love to resign. He was a very valuable player for them last year averaging 18 pts a game and can play both guard positions.

Unless they can shed some salary there's no way they resign Crawford. And even if they don't, they simply don't have any wiggle room left. So if they're really willing to trade Smith, I think they'll be looking for either an expiring contract in return, or a young player thats not making much, thats coming from a team able to absorb Smith's contract.
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That sounds like Landry + Greene + draft pick to me
 
While the idea of Smith at sf is definitely interesting, we wouldn't have a 3pt threat in our lineup. If we were to acquire him, we would also need to acquire either a starting pg or sg, to play next to Tyreke, who can hit the 3 consistently. But a future frontline line of Smith at the 3, Whiteside at the 4, and Cousins at the 5, along with Tyreke and aother guard who can spread the defense, could be dominant.

Don't see it happening though.
 
Interesting point this which sums up issues we would face if we acquired him;

http://dimemag.com/2010/11/5-reasons-the-atlanta-hawks-should-trade-josh-smith/

3. He doesn’t have a position — Smith’s game is strictly based on athleticism. His high-flying dunks and blocks are electrifying, but he lacks perimeter skills. He can’t be a true small forward because his handle and jump shot aren’t up to par, so he has to play power forward, which makes it so Horford has to play as an undersized center. In last year’s playoffs, that small-ish front line got dominated by Dwight Howard and the Magic. Even if he could learn to shoot outside, Smith lacks foot speed and isn’t quick enough laterally to guard quicker small forwards. At power forward, he lacks the strength to defend the stronger fours. His athleticism is what gets him by, despite not being a true PF or SF; he has raw talent and can rebound the ball. Other teams who play small-ball (e.g. Phoenix) are attracted by that, but Atlanta may not have room for him anymore.
 
Sac.1989 said:
Interesting point this which sums up issues we would face if we acquired him;

http://dimemag.com/2010/11/5-reasons-the-atlanta-hawks-should-trade-josh-smith/

3. He doesn’t have a position — Smith’s game is strictly based on athleticism. His high-flying dunks and blocks are electrifying, but he lacks perimeter skills. He can’t be a true small forward because his handle and jump shot aren’t up to par, so he has to play power forward, which makes it so Horford has to play as an undersized center. In last year’s playoffs, that small-ish front line got dominated by Dwight Howard and the Magic. Even if he could learn to shoot outside, Smith lacks foot speed and isn’t quick enough laterally to guard quicker small forwards. At power forward, he lacks the strength to defend the stronger fours. His athleticism is what gets him by, despite not being a true PF or SF; he has raw talent and can rebound the ball. Other teams who play small-ball (e.g. Phoenix) are attracted by that, but Atlanta may not have room for him anymore.
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but but but....

he can do awesome dunks! lol :p
 
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