John Hollinger "PER Diem" Article on Possible Trades

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Not a big fan of john hollinger, but this was on espn.com under his "PER Diem" article. I copied and pasted the section of interest because it was part of the whole insider thing and didn't know if the link would work if I posted it.......


Moderator Note: it it illegal to post the substance of ESPN Insider articles here as that is a pay service. Several different people posted this article, and we deleted those threads. But since it is a Kings related topic, and it keeps on cropping back up, I'm stepping in here -- this is the summary of Hollinger's proposal:

1) Hornets need to shed $3.33mil in salary to get under the tax threshhold
2) Kings have $4.15mil in cap room to absorb salaries
3) Kings trade Andres Nocioni + Kenny Thomas for Darius Songaila, James Posey, Mo Petersen & Hilton Armstrong
4) Hollinger then wisely suggests that maybe just maybe the Hornets would have to throw in cash or a first rounder (ya think?), or possibly Darren Collison
5) he suggests an alternate where its Beno instead of Noc, and Devin Brown instead of Armstrong
6) he suggests another alternate where Kenny Thomas and James Posey are left out of the deal (amazing that he figured out want to keep our cap space this summer)
7) in all of the deals he notes that we would likely have to cut Sean May, which of course could crash the local fast food economy
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So...there. That was the substance of the Kings related part of that article. If you want to discuss it, do it here. If you are tempted to post that article again, hopefully you will check in here first.

--Brick
 
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sheesh Hollinger. what a horrible deal without Okafor involved.

However, point still remains that NO is in a horrible spot and we are one of the only options they can deal with to get them under the tax line.
 
It strikes as flotsam for flotsam for me. I'm not even sure about Darren Collison either--he's a career backup who, while he can create offense for himself and get to the basket, is only an average finisher and doesn't display much consistency on shots 16 feet and beyond. He's very small and ranges from poor to lukewarm in individual and team defense as well, and just about the only potential is in his passing ability. And besides, we already have Reke, Beno, and Rodriguez manning the PG spots (well, Beno will get traded eventually).

But getting a young, merely decent backup for Reke isn't worth inheriting dead weight contracts like James Posey and Morris Petersen, both of whom have rapidly deteriorated from their past states. And we don't need any more SFs by any stretch. If a deal like this gets done, I'd ask for a 1st round pick for sure, maybe even two because we're giving them KT's huge expiring while taking back two deadweights. Normally I'd like an athletic clay type like Julian Wright, but with Casspi's and Greene's emergence that's not necessary.

FYI Hilton Armstrong's not our answer as a big man at all. He's a terrible offensive player who usually gets neglected on that end, as he has no range, but most of all he hasn't improved--the Hornets have been trying to sack him for years. He'll picks up some blocks here and there by virtue of length and play adequate team defense, but individually he gets strong-armed in the paint and doesn't have good fundamentals. A bust for sure.
 
I posted this in the other thread, but this applies better here so I'll repost. This solves the money problem for NO and the defensive big man/Nocioni/minutes for Casspi and Greene problem for us

Kings out/Hornets in:
Thomas
Nocioni
May

Kings in/Hornets out:
Okafor
Morris Peterson (exp 2011)
Darius Songalia (exp 2011)

Why for Kings: Major talent win, investment in defense, get a 10/10/2 guy that does not need a lot of shots to be effective. Shorten Nocioni's contract by 1 year and open up SF minutes for Greene/Casspi

Why for Hornets: The financial impact of this deal is huge and they are unlikely to match such a sweet financial deal from any other team. This single move saves them 4 million in salary this year and gets them under the tax line. Total savings 4M + 3.5M luxury tax + 5-7M bonus from other teams being over the tax line. One trade saves them 10-15M THIS YEAR. Next year it saves them close to 20M. They make this move if they think they are unlikely to make the playoffs, want to save major money, and need to shake things up.
 
sidney said:
I posted this in the other thread, but this applies better here so I'll repost. This solves the money problem for NO and the defensive big man/Nocioni/minutes for Casspi and Greene problem for us

Kings out/Hornets in:
Thomas
Nocioni
May

Kings in/Hornets out:
Okafor
Morris Peterson (exp 2011)
Darius Songalia (exp 2011)

Why for Kings: Major talent win, investment in defense, get a 10/10/2 guy that does not need a lot of shots to be effective. Shorten Nocioni's contract by 1 year and open up SF minutes for Greene/Casspi

Why for Hornets: The financial impact of this deal is huge and they are unlikely to match such a sweet financial deal from any other team. This single move saves them 4 million in salary this year and gets them under the tax line. Total savings 4M + 3.5M luxury tax + 5-7M bonus from other teams being over the tax line. One trade saves them 10-15M THIS YEAR. Next year it saves them close to 20M. They make this move if they think they are unlikely to make the playoffs, want to save major money, and need to shake things up.
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this would be a terrific deal, of course hollinger didn't mention something like this because he doesn't want the kings to get a deal that pans out in their favor
 
Ah, the human calculator at work again.

And WHY again exactly would we be sacrificing our 2010 capspace and cluttering the roster with another boatload of useless flexible pieces type vets? I like how he says the deal would "likely" cost the Hornets a first rounder. Ya think?
 
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NoBonus said:
How about this instead
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5370365
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If anything I think it will be closer to this:

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5374168

Sacramento:
->Beno+Nocioni+May

New Orleans:
->Peja+Collison+Diogu+2 Million Cash+2010 Unprotected 1st

Right now New Orleans has no leverage, because we are the only team that can get them under the luxury tax. If the Maloofs are going to deal it is going to be as close to revenue neutral as possible. Diogu contract in the case I am assuming is going to be picked up by insurance.

Why we do it:
This accomplishes three goals. 1. Removes 13 Million in Salary in 11/12. 2. Gets us a lotto pick for next year. 3. Solves some of the minute crunch when Martin and Garcia come back.

Why N.O. does it:
If they don't that Pick will cost them ~$16 Million. 3 Million in luxury tax payment this year + 6 million for the pick next year (3 + 3 in tax) + ~7 Million in payouts from the 15 teams over the tax. There is no way George Shin pays that much for a pick.

Before anyone says OMG Peja + Martin = Teh suck, the idea would be Peja would only be taking Nocioni's current minutes which are about 0-10. His main job would be to help Greene and Casspi with their jump shots.
 
NoBonus said:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5370361

work, but there would need to be some picks or something...

Also, I doubt the Kings want two years of James Posey...
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I think we could take that one by getting rid of Nocioni whose contract is one year longer. The deal is not bad if they throw in at least a first round draft pick and one of their young uns (Collison or Thornton). Considering they are rumored to be shopping West to get under the tax threshold, I would imagine they would be willing to part with one of those two and a pick for the desired affect.
 
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