Joerger: Tanking, incompetent or ? (With poll)
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Iced Espresso
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Missing a poll option for we stink & he can't work miracles.
The Effort Police
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No, he didn't. Check Zbo's gamelog. Zbo played 68 games and started 53 of them. The games he came off the bench were in December and January for reasons I wouldn't know, after which he went back to starting and playing 30-35 minutes all the way to end of the season.
Oh well that settles it....didnt know every fan had issues with his rotations. Not sure why Joerger just doesn't fan source the starting lineup and rotations.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
It's still october. For a few days anyway. Lol.
Look, lets not forget Joerger is as much a rookie in this scenario as any of the players so maybe we should give him a little more time as well. I mean, name me the NBA team he's headed up through the rebuild process and I'll let you ride my unicorn. In the end he'll have to commit to something, old, young, whatever it may be because if he thinks he can just run random lineups out there game to game and succeed then that means he'll have to buck pretty much any coaching trend ever set. I just hope his crazy last year in Memphis didn't give him the idea that the bonkers season of 59 players and 149 different lineups is doable because the reality was they limped in to the playoffs on the back of a terrific start. It was a good coaching job IMO considering the circumstances but really nothing more then a limp to the finish.
Look, lets not forget Joerger is as much a rookie in this scenario as any of the players so maybe we should give him a little more time as well. I mean, name me the NBA team he's headed up through the rebuild process and I'll let you ride my unicorn. In the end he'll have to commit to something, old, young, whatever it may be because if he thinks he can just run random lineups out there game to game and succeed then that means he'll have to buck pretty much any coaching trend ever set. I just hope his crazy last year in Memphis didn't give him the idea that the bonkers season of 59 players and 149 different lineups is doable because the reality was they limped in to the playoffs on the back of a terrific start. It was a good coaching job IMO considering the circumstances but really nothing more then a limp to the finish.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
He doesn't have to. He should use his two eyes and see the only thing this team has potential with is it's youth. As a coach wanting to win, it sucks, but it is what it is. If he's one of those coaches that thinks young players get better by not playing then lord help us.
Suicide King
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This is correct. I just moved from Northern Alabama(Grizzlies and Hawks games on TV) to Colorado, because this is apparently important, but it was Joerger who asked (told) Z-Bo he would be more effective coming off the bench. I had figured it will be only a matter of time, pomp and circumstance etc, until the same happens here.
This year is for growth, that might not even be visible.
We are in decent shape moving forward. Might even be great shape, after a fashion...
Vladizzle
Bench
No dude, incorrect.
If only they tracked things like who starts games, played how many minutes, and there was some kind of widely available resource people could access and source we might be able to settle this p***ing contest.
Dang.
Dang.
Telemachus
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The reasons you don't know are that Joeger asked ZBo about coming off the bench. When it didn't work out, he put him back in the starting lineup.
Iced Espresso
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We are the 26th worst scoring team at 98.6 points a game.
But the abyss gets deep, Chicago is the worst in the league at 89.8
So as bad as we've been, there has been a few worse.
But the abyss gets deep, Chicago is the worst in the league at 89.8
So as bad as we've been, there has been a few worse.
Iced Espresso
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Somehow we have a sleight + in margin in the second quarter, so whatever has been happening then, it's the best plus/minus we've got.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
hard to believe there are teams that are worse on offense than Sacramento right now. Utah has to be up there too, no?
Closed? No, Drop into the depths of ignominy? Quite likely.
Wait. What? You're saying Joerger doesn't know the potential of the team lies in the youth? Oh my gawd. Somebody call the press. Why hasn't anyone else figured this out?
You act as though he has no idea what he is doing, which is patently absurd. You also imply that he just wants to win, which is also absurd. He has made it incredibly clear that he has the task of figuring out how to best utilize our youth now and in the future. He's well aware he needs to help them be the most they can be, for both themselves and the Kings. He wants our young players to earn their time and not just be handed NBA minutes on a platter.
As someone else posted out a while back (I'm sorry whomever you are but I cannot remember at this moment), each of these kids are used to being winners. They've come up through the ranks and almost without exception been at the top of the list in terms of ability and potential. Now they've made it to the NBA, where they're running up against nothing but their peers and better. It's a tough lesson for them to learn. I personally trust Dave Joerger to do his best, along with the rest of his staff, to maximize their chances for success.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I was specifically responding to a sarcastic comment with a hint of hyperbole. However, his comments post game do cause me a bit of concern, he was clearly frustrated with the game and one could imply that starting the bulk of the Kings young talent base tonight wasn't his idea.
And as far as him having no idea what he's doing? Well, so far the magic 8 ball is formulating an answer. Like I said, what's his track record with rebuilding teams in the NBA? He has as much to prove as any of these young players so in a perfect world they all come together and prove everyone wrong.
Vladizzle
Bench
He didn't mess it up, but he didn't bring the needle any further because he ran basically an imitation of Hollins. The only difference was Hollins would get in Gasol's face if he got soft, Joerger didn't. I think Fizdale is trying to move the needle forward for them.
Iced Espresso
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King Baller
All-Star
I am curious what your thoughts are now? Buddy , Skal and all the young guys got to face a Playoff level starting unit last night. You saw the results.
I'm happy they started and I hope they continue to do so (even though I know they won't). It was 1 game, Fox's first career start, against a top 3 PG in the league, and against one of the top teams. It was ugly, but I would bet that's the worst game that starting unit would have.
Yeah, that's my point. Joerger didn't do much in Memphis.
KingsFanGER
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Except for reaching the playoffs in every season and coaching the Grizzlies through some hard fought series.
From my point of view Joerger altered the Grizzlies playstyle quite a bit after Hollins. Where Hollins ran a pretty stagnant post offense with some high low plays, Joerger gradually increased the amount of pick and rolls every year and relied more on horn plays. Conley really grew into the player he is know under Joerger.
I understand some of the criticism. Im not a fan of the current Kings offense. I also think Joerger has a tendency to be loyal to a fault towards certain core players.
But the dude knows a thing or two about coaching defense and is a decent overall Nba coach.
Let's not get carried away, because our young players failed miserably against a good Wizards team.
twslam07
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Vladizzle
Bench
The point was he inherited success more than created any. I don't think it's too much to ask for a NBA coach to make the playoffs with the same team that made the WCF the year before..
Vladizzle
Bench
Do you believe these stats equal automatic overall ranking?
I'd personally put Wall 3rd as well behind Westbrook and Curry. Probably tied for 3rd with Conley, CP3, Irving.
Lol at Lower being 3rd. No way.
KingsFanGER
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Well I think it would be too much to ask for a whole lot of guys, who have/had the opportunity to coach in the NBA.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Stats are only one way to judge a player comparison there are alot of variables. Take those players on your list and have an expansion type draft wall probably goes 4th behind irving but could easily go 5th behind Conley or Lillard.
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