JO Wants trade to Lakers

I wouldn't mind JO on the Kings, but I'd rather rebuild completely than another quick fix. Artest and JO never won anything with the Pacers, they probably wouldn't here either
 
It would most likely cost Kevin, and unlike a trade for Garnett, that's not something I would do. If he makes it to the Pacific, that'd suck for us.
 
The Jermaine to L.A. talks have been remarkable only in that from what I can gather, both sides have played the game the way they should so far. Indiana wants Odom and Bynum, which it should. L.A. counters by offering Bynum and Brown and a thrid piece, which it also should (their hope of becoming a great team lies in teaming Jermaine/Odom/Kobe, not in swapping Odom and Jermaine for each other).

But now its come time to make this happen if you are the Lakers. There is simply no way you can enter next season with no major scores and Kobe sitting over there stewing. So time to sweeten that pot without offering Odom. Maybe Bynum/Brown/Farmar and a 1st (+ whatever the other contract was that is need to match) or some such. Make it happen somehow. That would still leave them with a pretty formidable looking squad:

c- J.O'Neal
PF- Odom
SF- Walton
OG- Kobe
PG- Fisher

C/PF - Mihm
OG/SF- Evans
Sf/PF- Radmanovic

And another of the really strong trios popping up around the league. No huge age issues either.
 
Bricklayer said:
The Jermaine to L.A. talks have been remarkable only in that from what I can gather, both sides have played the game the way they should so far. Indiana wants Odom and Bynum, which it should. L.A. counters by offering Bynum and Brown and a thrid piece, which it also should (their hope of becoming a great team lies in teaming Jermaine/Odom/Kobe, not in swapping Odom and Jermaine for each other).

But now its come time to make this happen if you are the Lakers. There is simply no way you can enter next season with no major scores and Kobe sitting over there stewing. So time to sweeten that pot without offering Odom. Maybe Bynum/Brown/Farmar and a 1st (+ whatever the other contract was that is need to match) or some such. Make it happen somehow. That would still leave them with a pretty formidable looking squad:

c- J.O'Neal
PF- Odom
SF- Walton
OG- Kobe
PG- Fisher

C/PF - Mihm
OG/SF- Evans
Sf/PF- Radmanovic

And another of the really strong trios popping up around the league. No huge age issues either.
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I wonder if Bynum, Brown, Farmar, fillers, and TWO firsts wouldn't work out. I would jump at the chance if I were Indiana. A middle aged star on a team going no-where - better get what you can for him as soon as possible.
 
Should this come to pass, the NBA could very easily be looking at a revival of the Laker-Celtics domination.
 
Bricklayer said:
The Jermaine to L.A. talks have been remarkable only in that from what I can gather, both sides have played the game the way they should so far. Indiana wants Odom and Bynum, which it should. L.A. counters by offering Bynum and Brown and a thrid piece, which it also should (their hope of becoming a great team lies in teaming Jermaine/Odom/Kobe, not in swapping Odom and Jermaine for each other).

But now its come time to make this happen if you are the Lakers. There is simply no way you can enter next season with no major scores and Kobe sitting over there stewing. So time to sweeten that pot without offering Odom. Maybe Bynum/Brown/Farmar and a 1st (+ whatever the other contract was that is need to match) or some such. Make it happen somehow. That would still leave them with a pretty formidable looking squad:

c- J.O'Neal
PF- Odom
SF- Walton
OG- Kobe
PG- Fisher

C/PF - Mihm
OG/SF- Evans
Sf/PF- Radmanovic

And another of the really strong trios popping up around the league. No huge age issues either.
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I gotta feeling, a feeling deep inside (oh, yeah) that Crittenton may be a slipper like Van Exel was. If I were Indy, I'd be looking at him more than Farmar. Even for O'Neal, I wouldn't want to just flat give up on both Bynum and Crit unless Kwame's contract was the filler. Frankly, I'd rather say sayonara to Odom while subtracting Bynum. I honestly don't blame Kupchak/Jimmy that they don't want to do that either...even w/ Kobe skyjacking the franchise. And I think trades are interesting...but I learned from Logo in 89 (Tarpley - Worthy) and 99 (Rice - Jones) why some trades are better unmade.
 
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VF21 said:
Should this come to pass, the NBA could very easily be looking at a revival of the Laker-Celtics domination.
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^ If LA got O'Neal, they would ironically have the only Irishman on either roster.

PS: We're talkin about the Milkman here, so any trade w/ him is going to be excruciatingly drawn out, as you're well aware. However, even if it did come to pass, I'm not so sure Jermaine is enough for dominance. You wanna hear some ultra-Lakerfan arrogance? I don't even get goosebumps at the thought of him in the P&G. He pales in comparison to the guys who filled the lane before him (the Vlade Effect).
 
Gargamel said:
^ If LA got O'Neal, they would ironically have the only Irishman on either roster.

PS: We're talkin about the Milkman here, so any trade w/ him is going to be excruciatingly drawn out, as you're well aware. However, even if it did come to pass, I'm not so sure Jermaine is enough for dominance. You wanna hear some ultra-Lakerfan arrogance? I don't even get goosebumps at the thought of him in the P&G. He pales in comparison to the guys who filled the lane before him (the Vlade Effect).
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I don't think of that as Lakerfan arrogance. I value your opinion about how much good O'Neal could do for your franchise. If you're thinking he wouldn't fill the shoes of those who have gone before, I'm certainly not going to disagree.

I guess I was hoping for some kind of rivalry revival, and it looked on the surface at least as though the Lakers-Celtics might have more chance of becoming exciting again than the Lakers-Kings.

:)
 
VF21 said:
I guess I was hoping for some kind of rivalry revival, and it looked on the surface at least as though the Lakers-Celtics might have more chance of becoming exciting again than the Lakers-Kings.

:)
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;)

If Walsh and a former Celtic weren't involved, I'd be more optimistic. I got anything happening at all at 20% at this moment. I don't know if JO is scaring them that much. They can hold onto him till next Summer and S/T him as the worst case. He's gonna need to spew a lot more mamba venom at his FO (note that reference). I'd be amazed, btw, if he didn't get some counsel on what to say from the Bean. This smells like a tag-team of superstars against GMs.

PS: Pacerfan perspective (beginning on this page) http://pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=32529&page=41
 
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Bricklayer said:
The Jermaine to L.A. talks have been remarkable only in that from what I can gather, both sides have played the game the way they should so far. Indiana wants Odom and Bynum, which it should. L.A. counters by offering Bynum and Brown and a thrid piece, which it also should (their hope of becoming a great team lies in teaming Jermaine/Odom/Kobe, not in swapping Odom and Jermaine for each other).

But now its come time to make this happen if you are the Lakers. There is simply no way you can enter next season with no major scores and Kobe sitting over there stewing. So time to sweeten that pot without offering Odom. Maybe Bynum/Brown/Farmar and a 1st (+ whatever the other contract was that is need to match) or some such. Make it happen somehow. That would still leave them with a pretty formidable looking squad:

c- J.O'Neal
PF- Odom
SF- Walton
OG- Kobe
PG- Fisher

C/PF - Mihm
OG/SF- Evans
Sf/PF- Radmanovic

And another of the really strong trios popping up around the league. No huge age issues either.
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Actually the word is the lakers haven't offered Bynum, just Odom+fillers and picks. Also giving up Bynum and Crittenton so they can play 2 of their best 3 players out of position would be dumb. Odom is a 3 and JO is a 4.
 
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Vlade4GM said:
Actually the word is the lakers haven't offered Bynum, just Odom+fillers and picks. Also giving up Bynum and Crittenton so they can play 2 of their best 3 players out of position would be dumb. Odom is a 3 and JO is a 4.
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Whihc could be accomodated too:

C- Mihm
PF- O'Neal
SF- Odom
OG- Bryant
PG- Fisher

6th - Walton etc. etc.

Its all good when you have the talent (although the bench balance is better with Mihm coming in at the 4/5). Personally I don't think they get a title there with that crew. But its a damn strong unit (not to mention a big one), and they would be banging heads with somebody in the second round at least every year. Certainly worth a couple of mid first round draft picks -- about a 5 year window, and maybe one saavy trade/free agent pickup form being serious.
 
VF21 said:
Should this come to pass, the NBA could very easily be looking at a revival of the Laker-Celtics domination.
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I can't (nor would I want to) see this happening.

I do think the Celtics will make the finals, but not this season. Not only will it take time for Pierce, Garnett and Shuttlesworth to gel, but there is some uncertainty at the C, PG and an anemic bench. It won't take major moves, but a decent offseason (draft pick, MLE, veteran's minimum) can give them the pieces they need. But with Ainge at the helm, who knows if they'll even manage that.

As for the Lakers, I completely understand their reluctance to part with Bynum AND Odom. I've never seen Jermaine O'Neal as a great player. Now, the statistics are warped with O'Neal being the main focus of opposing defenses and Odom playing alongside Bryant, but Lamar put up roughly 16, 10 and 5 for the Lakers while O'Neal had around 20, 10 and 2. Not only that, O'Neal shot just 43% from the field as a primarily jump shooting big man.

By virtue of them playing in the anemic East, I can easily see the Celtics making it to the finals. I can't see the Lakers doing the same.
 
funkykingston said:
By virtue of them playing in the anemic East, I can easily see the Celtics making it to the finals. I can't see the Lakers doing the same.
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I think she was referring to the scenario where the Lakers managed to pull the trade off withough giving up Odom, resulting in a Jermaine, Odom, Kobe trio.

But I would agree that still doesn't make them clearly THE dominant team out West. Just gets them into high level team to be reckoned wiht conversations.
 
LPKingsFan said:
No, he's just spinning what was a no-no from a PR perspective. This is all a media game, you have to remember.
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I Didn't Demand a Trade to the Lakers, but if I Did, Here's How I Would Do it
A novel by Jermaine O'Neal


^ From a Pacer fan
 
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Bricklayer said:
I think she was referring to the scenario where the Lakers managed to pull the trade off withough giving up Odom, resulting in a Jermaine, Odom, Kobe trio.

But I would agree that still doesn't make them clearly THE dominant team out West. Just gets them into high level team to be reckoned wiht conversations.
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When you look at how they played the Suns two years ago, it certainly makes them a high level team. Improves the defense dramatically, and gives them a scorer down low to take some pressure off Kobe and Odom.

And if it doesn't work out within the next two seasons, Odom's contract will be expiring, and JO will be still be moveable at only 30 and expiring in 2010 (and he might even have an option). Kobe might opt out. So you're back to where you are now, except you have a tradeable commodity in O'Neal, Lamar's $14.5 million is off the books, and you might not have Kobe's $23 million to have to deal with. You're under the cap, and you can rebuild the way you wanted to in the first place, before Kobe highjacked the franchise.

Either short-term dividends in the form of a championship, which is unlikely given that San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas, Boston (likely) and maybe Chicago are still better, or you have a short-term project that didn't work out as planned, and you scrap it and start over with a fresh slate.

I don't think it's worth getting O'Neal if you have to give up Odom, as that trio is what would make them good enough to contend in the West.
 
Bricklayer said:
I think she was referring to the scenario where the Lakers managed to pull the trade off withough giving up Odom, resulting in a Jermaine, Odom, Kobe trio.

But I would agree that still doesn't make them clearly THE dominant team out West. Just gets them into high level team to be reckoned wiht conversations.
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Not only am I not big on O'Neal individually, but honestly I don't see him as a great running mate for Kobe. With a dominating wing player, the ideal compliment is obviously a strong low post player, which JO isn't. Considering the dearth of low post scorers in today's NBA, the next best complimentary players would be either a penetrating PG or a pure shooter.

O'Neal is a jump shooting big man who needs the ball far too often to be effective to function well with Kobe.

Even Kobe, Odom and O'Neal doesn't strike me as a dominating lineup. On paper sure, but I don't think they'd function that well together.
 
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