Jimmers dribbling ????

[King Baller]

Thomas is a PG... guy can flat out see the floor and handle the ball... he has made a ton of mistakes but Thomas is a rookie and has flashed more than enough to prove he can play at this level...

Jimmer? SG all the way... you don't come to the NBA to learn how to be a PG... just ask Tyreke Evans... haha... but seriously Jimmers taking baby steps forward but man seems a bit late to learn how to dribble... he needs to be like eddie house or JJ Redick and just catch and shoot or catch , quick little dribble move shoot...

but running a team and the offense.... ITS NEVER GONNA WORK... its way too painful to watch...he's way too far behind in natural instincts and ability. this is the NBA ... he's a shooting, Shooting guard thats it.

Without going and checking the stats who is turning the ball over more, Jimmer or IT? Has IT played a lot more minutes? Answer before you go look up these stats

Admit it, you are surprised

I'm liking what IT brings, That young man has a great attitude and can PLAY! Jimmer is a good shooter/scorer. I think the whole Jimmer mania thing has caused the NBA to focus on making sure "that little Mormon Kid" does not go off on them. Seriously I have watched my share of NBA and teams are focusing on Jimmer. He gets more than his share of defensive attention.

Jimmer will be alright.

KB

KB

 

[jcwkings]

Jimmer actually has the best court vision on out team. His dribbling is behind our other gaurds (Tyreke, Isiah), but if he focuses his off season on dribbling he will be the best point gaurd we have. Isiah is more of a score first pg, yes he has solid court vision, but he looks for his shot first. If Jimmer can improve his handle he can become a very good pick and roll player, teams will be scared to give up the 3pt shot against him. He actually has been getting better defensively as well. Oh and his bball IQ is light years better than anyone on this team with the exception of Cousins potentially. Jimmer seems like the only King that can make a logical decsion on the floor. almost like an atheist playing with a group of evangelical christians.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Sactownfan, not sure if you'll agree with this but I'll point it out anyway. Jimmer's ball handling was not good at all for a good chunk of the season. Teams scouted him, came up with a game plan, and pressured him and trapped him every time he touched it, and it completely threw him off.

But, I;ve seen improvement the past 2 weeks or so in a key area. I think he's been working with BJax. Anyway, what I've noticed is he's surveying the floor much better, and if he dribble to within 10-15 ft and nothing is there, where he previously would have picked up his dribble, he's dribbling back out and resetting the offense, or calling for a screen. That's a big step in the right direction imo. He still needs to get rid of the ball when the trap is coming at half court, but in the halfcourt offense, i;ve definitely seen considerably improvement in him not getting stuck in bad areas and keeping his dribble alive. Keeping the dribble alive and not getting stuck is what has allowed him to use the baseline more frequently of late, where he's created a number of good shots for others.

And for a rookie, we look for improvements. That's a key one given it'll help him free himself up for shots down the road or finding passing lanes for others.

excellent points. the kid is a rook and is improving. fredette had free reign in college. now in the pro game needs to adjust to being one of the guys on the team and not the featured guy. with 9 home games, the team will be able to practice and implement some of the plays.

 

[UK_King]

There's a difference between "learning how to dribble" and what Jimmer is currently learning.

Sactownfan makes it sound like he's pounding the ball into the floor with a clenched fist and bouncing it off his shoes.

 

[Kingster]

I wasn't convinced of Jimmer's ballhandling skills before he was drafted. Nothing has changed. Who can know what he will become three or four years down the road? On the positive side, he's a kid who is going to be an overachiever, which is a good thing. It seems like he is very dedicated to the game. He'll probably get every ounce of production out of his somewhat limited athletic ability. I do think his vision is good. It's just that all his mistakes of judgement are magnified by his lack of athletic ability. If you're a fantastic athlete you can afford making mistakes in judgement because your athletic ability bails you out some of the time. But Jimmer isn't in that category, so he's going to have to study his a** off in the film room and become a great student of the game to be more than mediocre.

Not only does Jimmer need to improve his dribbling, he needs to improve his shot. He has to learn to get that ball off quicker. He releases it on the way down now. If anything he should release it before he gets to the apex; quicker is better, especially for someone undersized and not a great athlete.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Jimmer is having problems recognizing spacing and good spots to dribble to on the court, hence he backs his own self into a corner at times. Instead of dribbling backwards, he needs to go laterally to create space. And at times he needs to see where the double is coming from and get the ball out of his hands quickly before they converge and trap him.

I have no doubts that he will get it. I've seen this from players before with high IQ and it usually takes them a couple seasons to know the spots they need to get to to open the defense up and attack from there. I'm not sactownquicktojumpoffonatangentfan..

 

[Kingster]

I wasn't convinced of Jimmer's ballhandling skills before he was drafted. Nothing has changed. Who can know what he will become three or four years down the road? On the positive side, he's a kid who is going to be an overachiever, which is a good thing. It seems like he is very dedicated to the game. He'll probably get every ounce of production out of his somewhat limited athletic ability. I do think his vision is good. It's just that all his mistakes of judgement are magnified by his lack of athletic ability. If you're a fantastic athlete you can afford making mistakes in judgement because your athletic ability bails you out some of the time. But Jimmer isn't in that category, so he's going to have to study his a** off in the film room and become a great student of the game to be more than mediocre.

Not only does Jimmer need to improve his dribbling, he needs to improve his shot. He has to learn to get that ball off quicker. He releases it on the way down now. If anything he should release it before he gets to the apex; quicker is better, especially for someone undersized and not a great athlete.

PS While Jimmer still has a shot at being a good offensive pg in this league, I don't think he has any shot of being a good defender.

 

[Padrino]

Jimmer actually has the best court vision on out team. His dribbling is behind our other gaurds (Tyreke, Isiah), but if he focuses his off season on dribbling he will be the best point gaurd we have. Isiah is more of a score first pg, yes he has solid court vision, but he looks for his shot first. If Jimmer can improve his handle he can become a very good pick and roll player, teams will be scared to give up the 3pt shot against him. He actually has been getting better defensively as well. Oh and his bball IQ is light years better than anyone on this team with the exception of Cousins potentially. Jimmer seems like the only King that can make a logical decsion on the floor. almost like an atheist playing with a group of evangelical christians.

i just have to mention that i find this analogy rather comical, given jimmer's status as a member of the mormon church and celebrated collegiate basketball career at byu...

 

[Lockehead]

What's wrong with protecting the ball? If anything it lets him survey the floor and make a better decision. Also i think it encourages another player to set him a screen which isnt a bad idea if it gets his teammates involved.

Not to say i dont think he can improve his balhandling, but what he's doing right now is fine.

 

[Padrino]

What's wrong with protecting the ball? If anything it lets him survey the floor and make a better decision. Also i think it encourages another player to set him a screen which isnt a bad idea if it gets his teammates involved.

Not to say i dont think he can improve his balhandling, but what he's doing right now is fine.

there's nothing wrong with protecting the ball, as long as you can do it with your off arm and while facing the basket. jimmer's problem has been that, when the pressure comes, he shields the ball with his entire body, hunching over, and facing away from the basket. that eliminates his ability to survey the floor and make a better decision, and it has resulted in some rather boneheaded turnovers so far in jimmer's young career. its a jittery, overly cautious reaction to defensive pressure, and he's improving that aspect of his game. but his handle is still well below average for an nba PG, and i maintain that most of his deficiencies stem from a lack of athleticism, making him better suited as an off-the-bench and off-the-ball guard in this league. his dead eye from outside, when he's on, could be as ON as any shooter in this league. he should be spotting up for kickouts from the kings' plethora of at-the-rim and interior players...

 

[bajaden]

Thomas is a PG... guy can flat out see the floor and handle the ball... he has made a ton of mistakes but Thomas is a rookie and has flashed more than enough to prove he can play at this level...

Jimmer? SG all the way... you don't come to the NBA to learn how to be a PG... just ask Tyreke Evans... haha... but seriously Jimmers taking baby steps forward but man seems a bit late to learn how to dribble... he needs to be like eddie house or JJ Redick and just catch and shoot or catch , quick little dribble move shoot...

but running a team and the offense.... ITS NEVER GONNA WORK... its way too painful to watch...he's way too far behind in natural instincts and ability. this is the NBA ... he's a shooting, Shooting guard thats it.

You obviously never saw Jimmer play in college. He played PG the entire time he was at BYU, and he has better court vision than IT does, who has just a little too much score first in him, which he had at Washington. I'm not going to argue with you, but I'am going to shove these posts down your throat in a couple of years when Jimmer is playing the point. Right now, its you opinion against mine, and sorry, but I'll take mine over yours since neither of us can prove Jimmers final outcome. Sorry dude, your just too extreme for me. There's no in between with you, and certainly no chance for improvement. Its just not that black and white.

 

[gatoradeSD]

I think everyone is just being wayyyyy too critical of Jimmer. He's a rookie. give him a chance to improve. imo he's looked really good so far and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Lockehead]

there's nothing wrong with protecting the ball, as long as you can do it with your off arm and while facing the basket. jimmer's problem has been that, when the pressure comes, he shields the ball with his entire body, hunching over, and facing away from the basket. that eliminates his ability to survey the floor and make a better decision, and it has resulted in some rather boneheaded turnovers so far in jimmer's young career. its a jittery, overly cautious reaction to defensive pressure, and he's improving that aspect of his game. but his handle is still well below average for an nba PG, and i maintain that most of his deficiencies stem from a lack of athleticism, making him better suited as an off-the-bench and off-the-ball guard in this league. his dead eye from outside, when he's on, could be as ON as any shooter in this league. he should be spotting up for kickouts from the kings' plethora of at-the-rim and interior players...

I've never gotten the impression that he completely protects the ball with his body, but just enough to keep it away from the defender. I think a problem might be, when the defender plays him closer, he tends to really go into that protective mode, and then a help defenders comes over and double teams Jimmer and that might be enough to cause a turnover or a bad decision. But in all it's not really a bad idea. He's definitely had his share of rookie mistakes, but i think he's figuring it out. A while ago, one of these recent games, I saw him get double teamed near half court, and thought he was going to either get it stolen, or make a bad decision leading to a turnover. He managed somehow to dribble it out and find the open guy under the basket. So i think he'll be ok. But as you said, the athleticism thing really does play a part. It'll be up to him to figure it out, and i hope he does.

 

[sactownfan]

You obviously never saw Jimmer play in college. He played PG the entire time he was at BYU, and he has better court vision than IT does, who has just a little too much score first in him, which he had at Washington. I'm not going to argue with you, but I'am going to shove these posts down your throat in a couple of years when Jimmer is playing the point. Right now, its you opinion against mine, and sorry, but I'll take mine over yours since neither of us can prove Jimmers final outcome. Sorry dude, your just too extreme for me. There's no in between with you, and certainly no chance for improvement. Its just not that black and white.

look... i think he'll be a solid role player in the NBA... even tho he still can't shoot consistently ... it will come... however... he has 2 absolutely glaring weakness.... the most obvious is defense... but the one I'm surprised based on how he looked in college is the ball handling... he's being embarrassed right now trying to play PG... an avg or above avg defender force him to make the most silly of TO's or panic into a corner...

my point is like Stephen Curry he played the same kinda role for BYU... and was expected to play PG in the NBA... Curry can pass and dribble and proved it right away... Jimmer looks a total mess. some people got it some don't... I'm not saying he won't improve but its a bummer he has to improve soooo much just to be considered avg... very very avg...

but like your saying its totally possible and i hope I'm wrong... but being a guard let alone a PG in the NBA is rough... and its a extremely skilled position... you don't come into the NBA to learn how to do your job... (unless your 7ft tall) ... he lacks all natural ability and skill to play PG right now ... thats all I'm saying... and he has a far far far way to go.

on the other hand he's sorta serviceable (minus the defense) as a 3pt specialist that can do a tiny bit of other stuff right now. say if Evans is playing PG and Jimmer is the SG.

 

[King Baller]

look... i think he'll be a solid role player in the NBA... even tho he still can't shoot consistently ... it will come... however... he has 2 absolutely glaring weakness.... the most obvious is defense... but the one I'm surprised based on how he looked in college is the ball handling... he's being embarrassed right now trying to play PG... an avg or above avg defender force him to make the most silly of TO's or panic into a corner...

my point is like Stephen Curry he played the same kinda role for BYU... and was expected to play PG in the NBA... Curry can pass and dribble and proved it right away... Jimmer looks a total mess. some people got it some don't... I'm not saying he won't improve but its a bummer he has to improve soooo much just to be considered avg... very very avg...

but like your saying its totally possible and i hope I'm wrong... but being a guard let alone a PG in the NBA is rough... and its a extremely skilled position... you don't come into the NBA to learn how to do your job... (unless your 7ft tall) ... he lacks all natural ability and skill to play PG right now ... thats all I'm saying... and he has a far far far way to go.

on the other hand he's sorta serviceable (minus the defense) as a 3pt specialist that can do a tiny bit of other stuff right now. say if Evans is playing PG and Jimmer is the SG.

We must not be watching the same games

KB

 

[sactownfan]

We must not be watching the same games

KB

well you can always go back and watch the replays on the league pass... just check the box score first and make sure its not one of jimmers DNP's (coaches decision)

 

[Lockehead]

look... i think he'll be a solid role player in the NBA... even tho he still can't shoot consistently ... it will come... however... he has 2 absolutely glaring weakness.... the most obvious is defense... but the one I'm surprised based on how he looked in college is the ball handling... he's being embarrassed right now trying to play PG... an avg or above avg defender force him to make the most silly of TO's or panic into a corner...

my point is like Stephen Curry he played the same kinda role for BYU... and was expected to play PG in the NBA... Curry can pass and dribble and proved it right away... Jimmer looks a total mess. some people got it some don't... I'm not saying he won't improve but its a bummer he has to improve soooo much just to be considered avg... very very avg...

but like your saying its totally possible and i hope I'm wrong... but being a guard let alone a PG in the NBA is rough... and its a extremely skilled position... you don't come into the NBA to learn how to do your job... (unless your 7ft tall) ... he lacks all natural ability and skill to play PG right now ... thats all I'm saying... and he has a far far far way to go.

on the other hand he's sorta serviceable (minus the defense) as a 3pt specialist that can do a tiny bit of other stuff right now. say if Evans is playing PG and Jimmer is the SG.

I'm only going to judge him in what our team needs at this point in his career.

He provides playmaking, and can hit the 3 point shot at a very good rate. His man to man defense leaves a bit to be desired, but his decision making on that end is pretty good. By that i mean team defense. With his role in our team, i think he's doing a pretty good job.

 

[Npliam]

well you can always go back and watch the replays on the league pass... just check the box score first and make sure its not one of jimmers DNP's (coaches decision)

Since the All Star Game Jimmer has averaged almost 8 a game in 17 minutes while shooting 50% from three and 47% overall. He also has better than a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. Hate all you want but Jimmer has been playing well.

 

[jcwkings]

look... i think he'll be a solid role player in the NBA... even tho he still can't shoot consistently ... it will come... however... he has 2 absolutely glaring weakness.... the most obvious is defense... but the one I'm surprised based on how he looked in college is the ball handling... he's being embarrassed right now trying to play PG... an avg or above avg defender force him to make the most silly of TO's or panic into a corner...

my point is like Stephen Curry he played the same kinda role for BYU... and was expected to play PG in the NBA... Curry can pass and dribble and proved it right away... Jimmer looks a total mess. some people got it some don't... I'm not saying he won't improve but its a bummer he has to improve soooo much just to be considered avg... very very avg...

but like your saying its totally possible and i hope I'm wrong... but being a guard let alone a PG in the NBA is rough... and its a extremely skilled position... you don't come into the NBA to learn how to do your job... (unless your 7ft tall) ... he lacks all natural ability and skill to play PG right now ... thats all I'm saying... and he has a far far far way to go.

on the other hand he's sorta serviceable (minus the defense) as a 3pt specialist that can do a tiny bit of other stuff right now. say if Evans is playing PG and Jimmer is the SG.

he has very good court vision, high basketball iq, ability to hit the 3pt shot consistently, these are all traits you want from your pg. Dribbling can be improved, what nba player was complete their rookie year? Not even superstars are complete their rookie years (Durant, Rose, Kobe, etc all struggled their rookie years). Im glad you brought up steph curry because he is the type of player Jimmer COULD become, both have good court vision, both make good basketball decisions, both offer the 3pt threat. Jimmer is a pro now, he will dedicate his off season to improving facets of his game that were weaknesses this season(dribbling, defense). What you really should be worried about is that Tyreke is in his third season and has shown no improvement in his glaring weakness (jumpshot). And i mean NO improvement.

 

[macadocious]

I am really curious at how many people making these posts about Jimmer have

a.) Played basketball at any level above just a pick up game

b.) coached any basketball

c.) actually played PG

Because I am guessing the majority is No.

I am going to preface this by saying, I have no idea if he is going to end up being a starting PG in this league or not. With that being said, he has the potential to be one, and a very successful one. His turnovers and getting trapped are part nerves, part confidence issues and also experience. He was never trapped by two 6-8 athletic forward in college. It's not something he has ever had to deal with. He actually has pretty nice handles. Are they Tyrekes? No, but Tyreke is a freak of nature with his long arms and giant hands.

If we assume that DMC and Tyreke are on this team for the long run. And Tyreke can form a modicum of a mid to long range game (more the mid range game) then Jimmer is literally THE BEST type pf PG to pair him with. Not THE BEST PG, but the best type. Can play off the ball, great outside shot, yet can still create for others. His game is much like a mixture of Mark Price and Steve Nash. He has the shooting of Price and the ability to get in the lane and keep the dribble going like Nash. Nash was not as good as Jimmer is now when he was a rookie PG. Think about that for a second.

Now my premise is based on him improving at all facets of his game. I think we have the coaching staff to do that here.

He has the best court vision of any King. I don't even think that is debatable. He is the best shooter of and King. Again, not really debatable. Where he lacks is experience, strength and agility and knowledge on defense. Is he ever going to be a premier defender? No. Can he be serviceable? Maybe.

The kid has 30 NBA games under his belt with literally no off season, coming from a conference where there were only a handful of NBA talented players. He is going to have a bigger adjustment than anyone on this team.

If he is still having the errors, three years from now, you can go back to picking nits. Like you all do with Tyreke now. Some of those are justified, but people forget that Tyreke is a year younger than Jimmer.

Also, there is almost Zero chance he is traded. This kids value today vs. upside is way too low to get anything for him. Let let him develop. 2nd half of next year I think we can begin the judgement process.

 

[Bricklayer]

he has very good court vision, high basketball iq, ability to hit the 3pt shot consistently, these are all traits you want from your pg. Dribbling can be improved, what nba player was complete their rookie year? Not even superstars are complete their rookie years (Durant, Rose, Kobe, etc all struggled their rookie years). Im glad you brought up steph curry because he is the type of player Jimmer COULD become, both have good court vision, both make good basketball decisions, both offer the 3pt threat. Jimmer is a pro now, he will dedicate his off season to improving facets of his game that were weaknesses this season(dribbling, defense). What you really should be worried about is that Tyreke is in his third season and has shown no improvement in his glaring weakness (jumpshot). And i mean NO improvement.

the obvious difference with those guys is that were all 18-19 years old. Jimmer is 22, and once upon a time that was just how old you were when you came in the league and rookies routinely tore it up. We'll have to see what happens with him next year. 22 ain't dead, but its a lot further along on the development curve than the guys who come in after 1 year of college. He's a year older than Reke, but still having dribbling problems against NBA pressure defenses. Could he correct that? Sure. But its not a great sign.

And as an aside we have a guy on the team who absolutel was able to compete as a rookie. Almost too really, since Thronton tore it up the back half of his ookie year too.

 

[jcwkings]

the obvious difference with those guys is that were all 18-19 years old. Jimmer is 22, and once upon a time that was just how old you were when you came in the league and rookies routinely tore it up. We'll have to see what happens with him next year. 22 ain't dead, but its a lot further along on the development curve than the guys who come in after 1 year of college. He's a year older than Reke, but still having dribbling problems against NBA pressure defenses. Could he correct that? Sure. But its not a great sign.

And as an aside we have a guy on the team who absolutel was able to compete as a rookie. Almost too really, since Thronton tore it up the back half of his ookie year too.

well no one is saying Jimmer is going to be a superstar on this team that will lead the team to glory, the fact is thought that he has the tools to be a great rolepalyer/ difference maker that makes things easier for Tyreke and Cousins. I can easily see him being a 18 ppg, 6 ast player. He has the best court vision and basketball IQ of anyone on this team. And like someone else said, he is not used to being trapped by NBA defenses, once he learns to handle those situations, his court vision and awareness/decision making will really start to shine through. On the other hand if you take someone like Tyreke and trap him, hes going to split the trap and put his head down and drive to the hole and either make a wild layup, or miss a wild layup. Jimmer seems to be the only one on this team thats able to survey the floor, see whose open, and make a logical basketball play.

 

[macadocious]

Brick, I think you are off here. Comparing Reke to Jimmer is not fair to either. Reke is getting by on atleticism. Let's compare apples to apples

Here is Steve Nash's career numbers:

As you can see, it took until his 5th season to start putting up decent numbers. He was also 22 when he entered the league. He also struggled with ball control and passing in his first few seasons. He also came from a small school in a small conference. The different is, Jimmer is a way better shooter. Nash is probably a little more athletic. Nash is terrible at defense, but he has found a way to be serviceable in that regard.

Now lets look at John Stockton

Statistically his first 3 years were not fantastic. Also, he came from a small school and was 22 when he entered the league.


BTW, I am not saying Jimmer will be as good or even close to as good as either of those players. Let just make sure we are comparisons are correct.

 

[jcwkings]

Brick, I think you are off here. Comparing Reke to Jimmer is not fair to either. Reke is getting by on atleticism. Let's compare apples to apples

Here is Steve Nash's career numbers:

As you can see, it took until his 5th season to start putting up decent numbers. He was also 22 when he entered the league. He also struggled with ball control and passing in his first few seasons. He also came from a small school in a small conference. The different is, Jimmer is a way better shooter. Nash is probably a little more athletic. Nash is terrible at defense, but he has found a way to be serviceable in that regard.

Now lets look at John Stockton

Statistically his first 3 years were not fantastic. Also, he came from a small school and was 22 when he entered the league.


BTW, I am not saying Jimmer will be as good or even close to as good as either of those players. Let just make sure we are comparisons are correct.

I agree with this, Jimmer will have a long career(barring injuries), because he has traits that age will not slow down(shooting ablility, court awareness, basketball IQ). Whats going to happen once Tyreke loses a step and athleticism(which he is only average at)? Jimmer is not exceptionally quick, but the fact that he is such an outside threat will alway give him the opportunity to get in the lane, once he puts it all toghether he will be a fine player.

 

[Lockehead]

the obvious difference with those guys is that were all 18-19 years old. Jimmer is 22, and once upon a time that was just how old you were when you came in the league and rookies routinely tore it up. We'll have to see what happens with him next year. 22 ain't dead, but its a lot further along on the development curve than the guys who come in after 1 year of college. He's a year older than Reke, but still having dribbling problems against NBA pressure defenses. Could he correct that? Sure. But its not a great sign.

And as an aside we have a guy on the team who absolutel was able to compete as a rookie. Almost too really, since Thronton tore it up the back half of his ookie year too.

I dont think anyone doubts Thornton's abilities.

But do you think Reke can coexist, at his best, with emphasis on best because he can be a special player, with Thornton and Cousins at their best?

That's where i have doubts. And that's where i think Jimmer can come in.

 

[Bricklayer]

I dont think anyone doubts Thornton's abilities.

But do you think Reke can coexist, at his best, with emphasis on best because he can be a special player, with Thornton and Cousins at their best?

That's where i have doubts. And that's where i think Jimmer can come in.

Jimmer has to prove he even belongs in the conversation before we even remotely think of going that way.

Let's use a more established player, one we even know worked decently with Reke: Beno.

Ok, if Beno were still here how do you break the Reke/Thornton problem? I think you move Thornton to the bench, make it a three guard rotation. Reke/Beno starts. Thronton comes in for Beno, Reke/Thornton go for a bit, Beno gives Reke a spell, ZBeno/Thornotn go for a bit. Repeate second half, except at the end of the game Thronton has to be in there so maybe you go Reke/Thornton to close, or go three guard the way Westphal experimented wiht and you KNOW Smart would want to play with.

 

[baller20]

I am really curious at how many people making these posts about Jimmer have

a.) Played basketball at any level above just a pick up game

b.) coached any basketball

c.) actually played PG

Because I am guessing the majority is No.

I am going to preface this by saying, I have no idea if he is going to end up being a starting PG in this league or not. With that being said, he has the potential to be one, and a very successful one. His turnovers and getting trapped are part nerves, part confidence issues and also experience. He was never trapped by two 6-8 athletic forward in college. It's not something he has ever had to deal with. He actually has pretty nice handles. Are they Tyrekes? No, but Tyreke is a freak of nature with his long arms and giant hands.

If we assume that DMC and Tyreke are on this team for the long run. And Tyreke can form a modicum of a mid to long range game (more the mid range game) then Jimmer is literally THE BEST type pf PG to pair him with. Not THE BEST PG, but the best type. Can play off the ball, great outside shot, yet can still create for others. His game is much like a mixture of Mark Price and Steve Nash. He has the shooting of Price and the ability to get in the lane and keep the dribble going like Nash. Nash was not as good as Jimmer is now when he was a rookie PG. Think about that for a second.

Now my premise is based on him improving at all facets of his game. I think we have the coaching staff to do that here.

He has the best court vision of any King. I don't even think that is debatable. He is the best shooter of and King. Again, not really debatable. Where he lacks is experience, strength and agility and knowledge on defense. Is he ever going to be a premier defender? No. Can he be serviceable? Maybe.

The kid has 30 NBA games under his belt with literally no off season, coming from a conference where there were only a handful of NBA talented players. He is going to have a bigger adjustment than anyone on this team.

If he is still having the errors, three years from now, you can go back to picking nits. Like you all do with Tyreke now. Some of those are justified, but people forget that Tyreke is a year younger than Jimmer.

Also, there is almost Zero chance he is traded. This kids value today vs. upside is way too low to get anything for him. Let let him develop. 2nd half of next year I think we can begin the judgement process.

Seconded

 

[Bricklayer]

People are now rather radically and ridiulously overstating Jimmer's court vision and passing. Which IS pretty good btw. But the "best on the Kings" moniker, which means almsot nothing btw given our team, has now been expanded so that we are compairing him to the 2 or 3 best court vision players of all time. That's got to stop. His handle isn't in the same league. His vision is not in the same league. He makes solid to ovccasionally nice passes, not briliant how'd he do that ones. He likes to shoot much MUCH more than those guys. He's not those players.

Here are the Ast% of Nash/Stockton and Jimmer as 22yr old rookie:
Stockton 35.9
Nash 29.5
Jimmer 16.6

Here are what their per 36s look like for their rookie years:
Stockton 11.1pts 2.5reb 10.0ast 2.5stl
Nash 11.2pts 3.3reb 7.3ast 1.1stl
Jimmer 14.4pts 2.0reb 3.6ast 1.0stl

Now you just can't tell me that those players are the same type of players. Aside from being short, white, and good shooters, that's a much different style of player.

throwing other might be type players into the basketball-reference search engine, here were John Paxson as a 23yr old rookie and Eddie House as a 22yr old rookie:

Per 36:
Paxson 11.2pts 2.6reb 11.7ast 0.8stl
House 16.4pts 2.7reb 3.4ast 0.9stl
Maloney 11.6pts 2.4reb 4.6ast 1.2stl (was 25 as a rook)
Sura 13.2pts 4.2reb 7.3ast 1.8stl (a bigger player, and also I think would have been very good if not for injuries)
Udrih 14.8pts 2.6reb 4.7ast 1.3stl
MPrice 13.7pts 3.5reb 6.0ast 1.3stl
BPrice 11.0pts 4.3reb 6.5ast 2.3stl (was 24 as a rook)
Bibby 13.6pts 2.8reb 6.7ast 1.6stl (was only 20 as a rook)
Abdual-Rauf 22.5pts 2.9reb 4.9ast 1.3stl (was only 21 as a rook)


As you can see, House is actualy by far the closest comparison statistically to what we have seen. Now I happen to think Jimmer is smarter than House and if the gunning isn't too deep in his blood he may try to angle away from that and toward more PGness. But we shall see. Certianly compaing either mini gunner to HOF asssitmen looks silly at this point.

 

[Lockehead]

Jimmer has to prove he even belongs in the conversation before we even remotely think of going that way.

Let's use a more established player, one we even know worked decently with Reke: Beno.

Ok, if Beno were still here how do you break the Reke/Thornton problem? I think you move Thornton to the bench, make it a three guard rotation. Reke/Beno starts. Thronton comes in for Beno, Reke/Thornton go for a bit, Beno gives Reke a spell, ZBeno/Thornotn go for a bit. Repeate second half, except at the end of the game Thronton has to be in there so maybe you go Reke/Thornton to close, or go three guard the way Westphal experimented wiht and you KNOW Smart would want to play with.

Reke and Thornton in the final moments would probably be a good idea. Thornton for sure, is a shotmaker, under any type of pressure. At least in this aspect, do we simply want to have our best shotmaker in the game, or do we want to see our best playmaker set us up for a shot. Not saying Jimmer is our best playmaker, but there is a line. There's a difference between making a play, and simply giving the ball to our best shotmaker.

In the final moments of the game, i'm inclined to say, give it to our best shotmaker, and that probably means thornton. If it means running a play, i wouldnt object, but that decision wouldn't be final until we see it in action.

 

[cuad]

lol @ mad bajaden at the top of the page.

He was never trapped by two 6-8 athletic forward in college. It's not something he has ever had to deal with.

This is a lie. San Diego State threw Kawhi Leonard (6'7), Billy White (6'8) and Malcolm Thomas (6'9) at him. SDSU Roster: http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/archive/2011-m-baskbl-roster.html, Game footage:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EDt-Cb-1o. Here are his stats from that game.

                          TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
32 FREDETTE, Jimmer.... g  8-23   4-8    5-6    1  2  3   4  25  9  4  0  2  40