Jason Terry? Suspended 1 game...

#32
It's going to get downright ugly in the AAC tomorrow. The people here are more livid than I can ever remember. They're already fired up about tomorrow and there's been pep rallies on the air, led by Terry and Cuban.

This could very well incite the team like Artest's suspension did with the Kings (also against these Spurs and it was questionable suspension at the best. further proof of the love fest w/ the Spurs)
 
#33
mavsman said:
It's going to get downright ugly in the AAC tomorrow. The people here are more livid than I can ever remember. They're already fired up about tomorrow and there's been pep rallies on the air, led by Terry and Cuban.
I know. I heard Cuban even called the Riverwalk muddy. Damn that guy is mean.
 
#35
x 213 x said:
dunno if anyone posted a link but here is one angle from the game

http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/?videoId=250811,56555


I think Mavs close this serious out in Dallas, they will be playing with more passion and emotion, if nothing this could hurt the Spurs because they might take it too easily and now start thinking they got the game wraped up
Wow. I'm certainly cheering for the Mavs in this series, but from that video it appears to be clear that Terry took a quick shot at Finley. Dumb play by Terry if you ask me.

No idea why the league thought this infraction was more worthy of suspension than Reggie Evans' grabbing Kaman. It would seem that the league should handle such matters consistently.
 
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#36
4cwebb said:
No idea why the league thought this infraction was more worthy of suspension than Reggie Evans' grabbing Kaman. It would seem that the league should handle such matters consistently.

Headshot rule I presume.
 

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#39
BMiller52 said:
Sorry but Stu Jackson is a stupid piece of crap. You don't suspend someone for a punch. You fine them and give them a warning. He probably just wrecked the Mavs' championship hopes. Terry has IMO been Dallas' best player in this series. There's no way they win without him. He's been shooting well, he's been clutch, and he's been a leader. Reggie Evans GRABBED someone's balls and he didn't get suspended. JET is going to get suspended for punching someone? What the **** is this? I'm freaking pissed right now and I'm not even a Mavs fan. Stu Jackson is a sorry clown.
You don't suspend someone for a punch? What planet have you been on?

Instead of whining about how pathetic it is that Terry is being suspended for one game, how about a little of that indignation going for the fact that he THREW A PUNCH?

If Terry is that important to the Mavericks, he shouldn't have thrown the punch.

Sorry, but the league has made it pretty apparent they're not gonna tolerate some stuff.

Reggie Evans should have been suspended, IMHO. That's where the indignation should be aimed. The call on him was the wrong one. THIS is the right one.
 
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#40
mavsman said:
It's going to get downright ugly in the AAC tomorrow. The people here are more livid than I can ever remember. They're already fired up about tomorrow and there's been pep rallies on the air, led by Terry and Cuban.

This could very well incite the team like Artest's suspension did with the Kings (also against these Spurs and it was questionable suspension at the best. further proof of the love fest w/ the Spurs)
Sorry, but I've tried real hard and I can't work up even one little bit of sympathy for the Mavericks. Not one.

And if Mark Cuban keeps acting like the spoiled little rich kid owner, he's gonna end up regretting it this time.

Artest's elbow was somewhat questionable. From what I saw, Terry's punch was pretty clearcut. For he and Cuban to be riling up the home fans over this could really backfire pretty badly.

Teams that play with too much emotion will start to make errors.

I used to have a saying for the Kings when they were in the middle of adversity and it definitely holds true for the Mavericks right now:

Suck it up and play.

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And put a muzzle on Mark Cuban.
 
#41
Terry and Cuban got on the radio to really whip up the crowd. Apparently he said somethings that were untrue Cuban's next act will be to whip up a crowd to the point where the US has it's first Latin American soccer stadium style incident. Way to go Mark.
 
#42
x 213 x said:
dunno if anyone posted a link but here is one angle from the game

http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/?videoId=250811,56555


I think Mavs close this serious out in Dallas, they will be playing with more passion and emotion, if nothing this could hurt the Spurs because they might take it too easily and now start thinking they got the game wraped up
I saw the clip three times now, and it is apparent that Jason Terry intentionally punched Finley. Shame to all of you who wrote comments in here saying Terry and the Mavs got screwed before even seeing the clip. On my way home from work, before I saw the clip, I was listening to Grant Napear running his mouth over how the league got it wrong, and that Terry didn't deserve to be suspended. It's a shame it could potentially ruin a close, thrilling series, but a punch is a punch. By the way, responding to x213x, the Spurs are a championship team. They're not going to think it's wrapped because the Mavs are short-handed. I still hope the Mavs win just because I would like to see a team come out the West that is not the Spurs or the Lakers, for once, but what's fair is fair.
 
#43
striker said:
Terry and Cuban got on the radio to really whip up the crowd. Apparently he said somethings that were untrue Cuban's next act will be to whip up a crowd to the point where the US has it's first Latin American soccer stadium style incident. Way to go Mark.
Remember the classless cartoon of Doug Christie and Chris Webber the Mavericks played during the playoffs two years ago? Does not surprise me that Mark Cuban is taking the low road.
 
#45
It's clear that Terry threw a rabbit punch, but was Finley leaning on his head/windpipe? I can't tell where Finley's forearm is. Personally, I get pretty upset when people touch me in the head/neck region.
 
#46
Manu already had Terry tied up LEGALLY. Good for Manu. Finley piling on, and landing on Terry's head, is ILLEGAL. Bad Finley Bad.

There is so much hate right now for Stern, Stu, and Finley - not even the rest of the Spurs - just Finley, that I would not be surprised if the crowd tomorrow night doesn't break a few decibel levels.
 
#48
One of the things Stern complained about was the decibel level in AA. My understanding is that Cuban put iton his harangue of complaints on the radio show today and attributes to the fabulously loud AA fans. But it's been noted that the Mavs announcer violates the rules. The announcer is supposed to lower the mike level when the other team crosses half court but the AA PA announcer wil intially mike down but then gradually raise the sound level of chants like defense, defense. All endorsed by Cuban no doubt. Other coaches have complained about it. Jackson even asked the PA announcer if he was a Mavs' cheerleader.
 
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#49
mavsman said:
Manu already had Terry tied up LEGALLY. Good for Manu. Finley piling on, and landing on Terry's head, is ILLEGAL. Bad Finley Bad.

There is so much hate right now for Stern, Stu, and Finley - not even the rest of the Spurs - just Finley, that I would not be surprised if the crowd tomorrow night doesn't break a few decibel levels.
Yeah. The same Michael Finley you were worshipping a couple of years ago?

Sorry, mavsman, I don't mean this personally because I don't really have any problem with your posts here, but this line of reasoning is illogical and borderline psychotic. Much like your team's owner. This could end up getting UGLY and if it does, the blame should go right at his feet. He is NOT bigger than the league or the game itself, contrary to what his blog and his own blatherings would indicate.

He's a boil on the posterior of the NBA and I sincerely hope he's not contagious.

League officials are going to be crawling all over AA tomorrow. If they find ANYTHING wrong, they're gonna be all over Cuban like flies on steaming dog dooty. And he'll have no one but himself to blame...
 
#50
striker said:
One of the things Stern complained about was the decibel level in AA. My understanding is that Cuban put iton his harangue of complaints on the radio show today and attributes to the fabulously loud AA fans. But it's been noted that the Mavs announcer violates the rules. The announcer is supposed to lower the mike level when the other team crosses half court but the AA PA announcer wil intially mike down but then gradually raise the sound level of chants like defense, defense. All endorsed by Cuban no doubt. Other coaches have complained about it. Jackson even asked the PA announcer if he was a Mavs' cheerleader.
THEY CAN TAKE HIM AWAY FOR ALL I CARE. He's not a good PA announcer...give me the guy from Detroit! He's pretty good.
 

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#51
mavsman said:
Manu already had Terry tied up LEGALLY. Good for Manu. Finley piling on, and landing on Terry's head, is ILLEGAL. Bad Finley Bad.

There is so much hate right now for Stern, Stu, and Finley - not even the rest of the Spurs - just Finley, that I would not be surprised if the crowd tomorrow night doesn't break a few decibel levels.

Who actually did the jump ball for the Spurs? Wasn't it Finley? I don't think Manu had the tie up. Might have been called, but Finley is the one who really got the tie up...IMHO. After the fact, we will never know.
 
#52
They just showed a great angle of the play on ESPN halftime. The claim that Finley pile drove Terry is total and complete BS.

Manu was the first to get his hands on the ball.
 
#54
VF21 said:
Yeah. The same Michael Finley you were worshipping a couple of years ago?

Sorry, mavsman, I don't mean this personally because I don't really have any problem with your posts here, but this line of reasoning is illogical and borderline psychotic. Much like your team's owner. This could end up getting UGLY and if it does, the blame should go right at his feet. He is NOT bigger than the league or the game itself, contrary to what his blog and his own blatherings would indicate.

He's a boil on the posterior of the NBA and I sincerely hope he's not contagious.
Of course I worshipped Mike - he was my favorite player. There is no denying his contributions to the Mavericks and to this city. But he's gone now. He went to the enemy. Imagine C-Webb or Bibby or Peja going to the Lakers then playing a little rough? Imagine the Maloofs offering one of those 3 players more money to go elsewhere - and purposely going to the Lakers to stick it to the old team.

My point is - of course the fans, myself included, are going to turn on Finley. It's natural to feel this way, to boo him, etc etc after all that's gone on.
 
#55
mavsman said:
Manu already had Terry tied up LEGALLY. Good for Manu. Finley piling on, and landing on Terry's head, is ILLEGAL. Bad Finley Bad.
The problem I find with this argument is that Finley was jumping in to tie up the ball, and if he landed on Terry's head, he probably didn't do it intentionally. Terry should know better than to lose his cool and throw a punch at that point in time. Even if it's justified from the perspective of Finley not "needing" to jump into the scrum, the punch is the act that will lead to a suspension.
 

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#56
mavsman - That's fine. But your take on the event isn't supported by the clips of the play in question. It wasn't Finley who threw the punch. And it sure lookrf like he (Finley) didn't do anything else wrong.

I hate Finley. I've never liked him, regardless of which team he's been on. So, for me, the emotion is out of the equation. This was clearly a DUMB mistake by Jason Terry and he's paying for it. Just like Anthony Peeler did against the Timberwolves a couple of years back...
 
#57
Cuban vilifying Finley over the radio, that he pile drove Terry and he's the one that should be suspended. This is the same Finley that poured his heart out for years for Dallas, didn't want to leave until the front office said some derogatory things that PO'd him royally but that he's class and won't discuss publically. Can you imagine the Maloofs doing that to Vlade or Webber. I sure as hell knowHolt would never do that. My disgust for Cuban grows exponentially by the day.
 

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#58
striker said:
Cuban vilifying Finley over the radio, that he pile drove Terry and he's the one that should be suspended. This is the same Finley that poured his heart out for years for Dallas, didn't want to leave until the front office said some derogatory things that PO'd him royally but that he's class and won't discuss publically. Can you imagine the Maloofs doing that to Vlade or Webber. I sure as hell knowHolt would never do that. My disgust for Cuban grows exponentially by the day.

I absolutely agree.:mad:
 
#59
VF21 said:
mavsman - That's fine. But your take on the event isn't supported by the clips of the play in question. It wasn't Finley who threw the punch. And it sure lookrf like he (Finley) didn't do anything else wrong.

I hate Finley. I've never liked him, regardless of which team he's been on. So, for me, the emotion is out of the equation. This was clearly a DUMB mistake by Jason Terry and he's paying for it. Just like Anthony Peeler did against the Timberwolves a couple of years back...
From www.dallasbasketball.com - this is a good description of how I feel:
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Reggie Evans got a firm grip on another player's testicles and on May 1 was not suspended. Udonis Haslem lost his grip on a flying mouthpiece and on April 24 was suspended.
Richard Jefferson kicked a ball into the stands and on April 11 got a $5,000 fine. Carmelo Anthony threw a ball into the stands and on April 5 got a $15,000 fine.
Bruce Bowen kicked Ray Allen in the back and on March 28 was fined but not suspended. Rasheed Wallace earlier that month March 2006 flagrantly clubbed Zydrunas Ilgauskas over the head, opening a wound that needed five stitches. Wallace was fined and but not suspended.
Michael Finley seemed to intentionally hipcheck Jason Terry in the head while Terry was pinned to the floor. Terry seemed to retaliate with a balled-up fist and a jab to Finley's groin area.
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now I don't condone what JET did. Not in the slightest bit! I don't want any of you to get that impression that that's what I'm trying to convey here. Terry himself even apologized for it. But why is it that the NBA punishes the Mavs more than other teams? That's why we're outraged.

I think there is a serious anti-Cuban bias in the NBA front office and if so - and if that's the reason for all the fines and suspensions - it's very unethical on Stu Jackson and David Stern's part.
 
#60
mavsman said:

Michael Finley seemed to intentionally hipcheck Jason Terry in the head while Terry was pinned to the floor. Terry seemed to retaliate with a balled-up fist and a jab to Finley's groin area.
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now I don't condone what JET did. Not in the slightest bit! I don't want any of you to get that impression that that's what I'm trying to convey here. Terry himself even apologized for it. But why is it that the NBA punishes the Mavs more than other teams? That's why we're outraged.

I think there is a serious anti-Cuban bias in the NBA front office and if so - and if that's the reason for all the fines and suspensions - it's very unethical on Stu Jackson and David Stern's part.
From watching the tapes, I don't think Finley did anything "intentionally", so there's no action for the league to review and take action against him for. Terry throwing the punch is the problem. I would agree with you that the league has been inconsistent in its punishments for various types of physical play, but my guess is that for any punches thrown this year (not certain if there are any other instances), the player throwing the punch was suspended for at least a game.