Jarret Jack: Ain't nobody coming to Sac..nobody even knows its in California
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Nobody wants to go to Utah either, they have a pretty decent looking roster the last time i checked. Portland isnt exactly the party capital of the united states and they too have alot of good players. I dont buy the actual city of Sacramento being THAT big of a deterrent for big name players. I dont know that id want Chis Bosh even if he wanted to come to Sacramento. Let take a step back and imagine what the Kings defense would look like with a bigman rotation comprised of Bosh,Hawes,Landry,Thompson. There is indeed another spot available for a bigman on our current roster and whoever fills that spot needs to play the role of the defensive enforcer. Chris Bosh isnt that player. I dont think this team needs what Bosh has to offer.
This teasm needs exactly what he has to offer. Tehfirst rate star can match up wiht anyone in the world star big. The obvious trick is to then turn JT or Hawes + assets into the defensive big needed there. Because that's the three man rotation -- Landry, Bosh, defensive big. You basically "buy" that defensive focused big by having 40 pts worth of scorers as your other two bigs (not that they will in fact average 40 together, but point being your interior offense is set).
People continue, perhaps with an agenda in mind, to treat getting Bosh as if that is the last thing we do, and then we are just stuck. That makes no sense.
People continue, perhaps with an agenda in mind, to treat getting Bosh as if that is the last thing we do, and then we are just stuck. That makes no sense.
Bosh and Landry are both PFs. Neither would be very effective at the 5 (at least not defensively). So that means, according to your hypothetical rotation, that the hypothetical defensive center will play 48 minutes, Bosh is unlikely to get less than 35-38 mpg, which means Landry gets 10-13 mpg. Yes, Bosh is a star. He is better than Landry. But is giving a max deal for a guy who plays the same position as one of our best players not a waste of capspace?
Not when that player of ours is expiring in two seasons and is going to want a big pay day. If we could lock up a bosh like star for 4 or 5 years then giving Landry a huge deal would be a waste of money. As much as I love Landry, and would love to keep him, he is more valuable to us coming off the bench or being involved in a trade, IF bosh is available. If not, keeping Landry and finding a way to acquire a star SG/SF and a starting quality Defensive C would be just as good... but less likely in my mind. Basically what I'm saying is if Bosh is available, you don't pass up on him because we have someone who is a little more than serviceable at the same position. You grab him, and find a way to make it work because Evans and Bosh = instant playoffs.
There is no question that this equation is correct. But, what is the ceiling of a team like that? I envision Phoenix. Star PG + Star PF that doesn't play defense = consistent-playoff-team-that-never-seriously-contends-for-the-title. They have some pretty decent pieces around Nash and Amare, yet they still can't contend because they have no interior defense. For just reaching the playoffs, we don't really need Bosh. I think we have a pretty good shot at it next year even with the current roster + rookie big + a decent FA signing in the off-season.
Brick mentioned several times the formula of star small + star big = title. He forgot to mention, though, that all these star bigs on championship teams were HUGE defensive threats (Kareem, Olajuwon, Shaq, Duncan, etc.). I really can't see guys like Bosh, Amare, or Al Jefferson ever winning a ring as one half of a star duo. They will put up big numbers and get a lot of media attention, but no title. The only way it would work is if Tyreke becomes as dominant as Lebron and just dominates the league regardless of who is around him, but as much as I like Tyreke, I highly doubt he will become the next LeBron. And even LeBron hasn't won a ring YET.
Brick mentioned several times the formula of star small + star big = title. He forgot to mention, though, that all these star bigs on championship teams were HUGE defensive threats (Kareem, Olajuwon, Shaq, Duncan, etc.). I really can't see guys like Bosh, Amare, or Al Jefferson ever winning a ring as one half of a star duo. They will put up big numbers and get a lot of media attention, but no title. The only way it would work is if Tyreke becomes as dominant as Lebron and just dominates the league regardless of who is around him, but as much as I like Tyreke, I highly doubt he will become the next LeBron. And even LeBron hasn't won a ring YET.
bosh's response of course would be a hell no... why would he say yes when he's still playing in toronto? thats just like a backhanded slap to the face to the fans, front office, and team mates not something you want to do in a playoff hunt.. also put yourself in bosh's shoes he might have interpreted the fan as taunting or heckling hence the reply
jacks i have no excuse.. thats just something low.
i agree with the people here that Sac seems to be a nice play to live in.. looks like the weather is nice.... me coming from a tropic country of course
Sac definitley is better than the city i live in
jacks i have no excuse.. thats just something low.
i agree with the people here that Sac seems to be a nice play to live in.. looks like the weather is nice.... me coming from a tropic country of course
Sac definitley is better than the city i live in
Yeah, I've pondered this myself. I dont know if their are any big men superstars that play defense anymore... at least any that are young enough to be part of the future of our team. That means we are going to settle with the best that is available... and that is Bosh. I disagree with your statement about Reke having to become Lebron like in order for it to work. I think we just need to make sure the right pieces around the two if we do happen to be fortunate enough to land Bosh. Hopefully with more experience, our roster already has the right pieces.
I really don't know why I speak like getting Bosh is a certainty... it really is a snowballs chance in hell. Same probably goes for Al Jefferson and Stoudamire. If we could pick up one of those 3 or Rudy Gay I'd super duper happy.
I really don't know why I speak like getting Bosh is a certainty... it really is a snowballs chance in hell. Same probably goes for Al Jefferson and Stoudamire. If we could pick up one of those 3 or Rudy Gay I'd super duper happy.
I'm in that minority as well, I've never seen what gets people so hype about Bosh. He's a soft lefty finesse 4, he shoots way too many jump shots and he has yet to be able to prove he can win or be a leader. It's been written he wants to go somewhere and be the man on his own team, well the question is who is taking his shine in Toronto? They are in the East with a solid squad, why they don't get many more wins is beyond me. I'm glad if he really doesn't wanna come here let some other team over pay for his empty 20/10 stats.
If I could choose a big to bring here I'd get Big Al in a heartbeat, he parks his butt down low and goes to work. I also tend to think that even if his rebounding and defense has declined with injury Id think he'd be just as productive here as a Bosh or Amare.
If I could choose a big to bring here I'd get Big Al in a heartbeat, he parks his butt down low and goes to work. I also tend to think that even if his rebounding and defense has declined with injury Id think he'd be just as productive here as a Bosh or Amare.
You have a 3 man rotation in that frontline. Landry would come off the bench. Bosh has the ability to play the 5 (he already does). Can't become too fixated on the actual position. I think a 3 man frontline of Bosh (inside out guy for tyreke amazing combo) + Defensive Big (self explanitory, but basically plugs the paint and helps Bosh's weakness) + Landry(defense + great inside game) would be pretty potent.
There are other ways to do it though if we can't grab Bosh (which is unlikely). Like making runs at Blatche or Lopez.
There are other ways to do it though if we can't grab Bosh (which is unlikely). Like making runs at Blatche or Lopez.
I really have a hard time believing that people here would not give Bosh a max deal if given an opportunity. Because he is not a big-man defensive stopper?
Please. Who was the great big-man defensively for the lakers last year? Who was stopper on the great Bulls teams? Cartwright? For that matter, who was our great in-the-pain stopper for us 7 years ago. Vlade? Furthermore, just because we end-up with Bosh does not mean that you cannot still get a defensive center.
...and take Bogut over Bosh?
Please. Who was the great big-man defensively for the lakers last year? Who was stopper on the great Bulls teams? Cartwright? For that matter, who was our great in-the-pain stopper for us 7 years ago. Vlade? Furthermore, just because we end-up with Bosh does not mean that you cannot still get a defensive center.
...and take Bogut over Bosh?
In my mind If I were the GM I wouldn't max out Bosh just because I think he hasn't earned it. The only FA in this class worth the true legit max is Lebron. He's young, he's not injury proned and he's already the best player in the NBA. You have to max out that guy because he's gonna give you the full bang for your buck for however many years you max him out barring injury.
Bosh hasn't proved anything in my eyes, I would gladly take him here on a high level yet not max level contract if that makes any sense. He has proven he can score and rebound but not much else and I firmly believe if he were to get maxed out here we'd be seeing much of the same results from this team if we were thinking we were bringing in Bosh as the final piece.
I don't deny his skill for the 4 position, I just don' think he is proven to be worth the max just yet.
Bosh hasn't proved anything in my eyes, I would gladly take him here on a high level yet not max level contract if that makes any sense. He has proven he can score and rebound but not much else and I firmly believe if he were to get maxed out here we'd be seeing much of the same results from this team if we were thinking we were bringing in Bosh as the final piece.
I don't deny his skill for the 4 position, I just don' think he is proven to be worth the max just yet.
You sound like one of my old professors who would only give one A in the whole class. The facts are that people with a fraction of Bosh's skillset get max contracts so if you want Bosh, he is getting a max contract.
I'm not ready to put Bosh in the HoF yet but he's pretty much the best young PF on the market and we could still use improvement in that area, I think we have to at least make a play.
I'm not ready to put Bosh in the HoF yet but he's pretty much the best young PF on the market and we could still use improvement in that area, I think we have to at least make a play.
Unfortunately that's not how pro sports work these days. If we went into FA every year with the mindset of only signing guys for the price they want if they "earned it" would mean we would come out playerless for the rest of eternity.
Bosh has proven he is a great player with star power who can put up 20+ points a game despite the best defensive efforts of the other teams big men. And on top of it... HE'S YOUNG!
I'd be fine with Big Al too. He doesn't bring quite the offensive ability, but he brings a huge *** body that would work perfect for what we are trying to build in Sac. Imagine Al Jefferson setting a screen for Tyreke Evans? It would be like getting squished between two trains.
Bosh has proven he is a great player with star power who can put up 20+ points a game despite the best defensive efforts of the other teams big men. And on top of it... HE'S YOUNG!
I'd be fine with Big Al too. He doesn't bring quite the offensive ability, but he brings a huge *** body that would work perfect for what we are trying to build in Sac. Imagine Al Jefferson setting a screen for Tyreke Evans? It would be like getting squished between two trains.
That's a thought that puts a huge grin on my face when I think about it. I think Jefferson is sadly the perfect fit for what we have building here in Sacto, he's the perfect compliment for Reke. He would even draw double teams for guys like Cisco,Omri and Donte to get easy looks. Hell him and Landry could even play a lil 4 and 5, even if Al Jeff isn't best at 5.
I have to admit I'm biased as hell on Bosh, I've never really liked his game at all and just the fact that I know he will get a max contract. Plus I tend to think a guy his size needs to be down on the block the majority of the time, he's always on the elbow slinging jumpers. He's skilled as hell but I watch alot of these Toronto games due to the league pass and he just isn't somebody Id be happy to see here numbers or no numbers.
I have to admit I'm biased as hell on Bosh, I've never really liked his game at all and just the fact that I know he will get a max contract. Plus I tend to think a guy his size needs to be down on the block the majority of the time, he's always on the elbow slinging jumpers. He's skilled as hell but I watch alot of these Toronto games due to the league pass and he just isn't somebody Id be happy to see here numbers or no numbers.
What you may not be considering is that its precisely Bosh's inside/outside game that might make him the better fit. Not to mention his skills with the ball and as a passer. Jefferson is the absolute classic back to the basket blackhole post guy, but the problem is that our star player may well be the premiere to the basket guard in the entire game. Translation: you don't want a guy constantly down inside who clogging up that lane for him. You need a guy proficient with the J, but still able to go inside. You particularly need a guy proficient with the baseline J to take dropoff passes if your guard penetrates and is cut off (as opposed to an elbow jumper specialist who would be behind the guard by the time he was cutoff. The deadliest complements to Reke are going to be guys who excel along those baselines, who are still in front of him as he drives. Cisco with his corner three point shooting. Or theoretically, Bosh on the baseline. You would also really like a guy who can run and finish strong at the rim when hit with the pass. Bingo again.
Its why I have said repeatedly he's the guy who can play his full offensive game with the least interference from or to Reke's game. Most players its a tradeoff. You get x, but y has to step back. With Bosh there is very little he does that he could not keep right on doing at the same level, and very little that Reke does that he would have to set aside.
Its why I have said repeatedly he's the guy who can play his full offensive game with the least interference from or to Reke's game. Most players its a tradeoff. You get x, but y has to step back. With Bosh there is very little he does that he could not keep right on doing at the same level, and very little that Reke does that he would have to set aside.
You are definitely right about that Reke and Bosh would be a natural fit as a 1 and 2, I can for sure put my dislike of this cat aside for that.
Also those Bulls teams didn't need a great defensive stopper, they had great team defense and a couple of top defensive players. Rodman was a great rebounder and highly skilled at mental warfare, a big reason why Malone and Utah really never stood a chance in those finals series.
Also those Bulls teams didn't need a great defensive stopper, they had great team defense and a couple of top defensive players. Rodman was a great rebounder and highly skilled at mental warfare, a big reason why Malone and Utah really never stood a chance in those finals series.
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