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Jameer Nelson could become a restricted free agent this summer and there are differing opinions on

Steve Mountain, Nelson's agent, recently told the Sentinel that he believes "Jameer has done enough" to prove himself after almost three seasons. The Magic have a different opinion.

"I don't think Jameer's had the best of years," GM Otis Smith said.

if we get rid of bibby should we make a run at this guy
 
Personally, I would pass. Not that I think he's terrible or anything, but even if he fulfills his potential in the NBA I see his ceiling as a 3/4 of Bibby at the very best. We should aim higher with our next PG or settle for a lesser PG only if it is a pure PG who plays defense. Nelson is neither.

He probably will be available though, as Magic has (at least statistically) the worst back-court in NBA and it has something to do with Nelson.
 
If the Magic don't think he's lived up to his potential, then I'm dead-set against the Kings "making a run" at him.

I don't want the Kings to keep gathering other team's discards. It works occasionally but, for the most part, there are very good reasons why teams just let players go...

Set your sights higher. I am...
 
I think Nelson took a major step back this year, and that's a big part of why Orlando is fading out of the playoffs right now. So any team looking to sign him (including Orlando) has to gamble on whether 05-06 was a fluke, or if he's just having a down year. Hard to say. But with the number of good point guard prospects coming up next year (seriously, it looks like the best point guard draft ever right now) I'd be less willing to take a gamble on Nelson unless it was a short-term (ie low risk) deal.
 
VF21 said:
If the Magic don't think he's lived up to his potential, then I'm dead-set against the Kings "making a run" at him.

I don't want the Kings to keep gathering other team's discards. It works occasionally but, for the most part, there are very good reasons why teams just let players go...

Set your sights higher. I am...
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Chris Webber. Doug Christie. Bobby Jackson. Mike Bibby. Jimmy Jackson. Keon Clark.

This team had a decent run with other teams' discards. Not that I really like Jameer...but I completely disagree. You need a good coach who can develop and motivate underperforming players, and you need a good GM who can spot the players that will mesh with your system. Turning around other people's discards is the BEST way to build a team besides the draft because they come relatively cheap. Signing high priced free agents hamstrings your cap flexibility for many years after.
 
Or Mo Williams, who will be cheaper, and younger to boot.

But that's all likely to be moot, as it doesn't look like Bibby's going to opt out. I agree about the 08 draft, and figure we hang on to Bibby another year to increase his trade value, shop him for a pick on draft day, or see if we can swap him for a one-year rental/short-term, cheap veteran to mentor our 08 draft PG.
 
tjobrien said:
Chris Webber. Doug Christie. Bobby Jackson. Mike Bibby. Jimmy Jackson. Keon Clark.

This team had a decent run with other teams' discards. Not that I really like Jameer...but I completely disagree. You need a good coach who can develop and motivate underperforming players, and you need a good GM who can spot the players that will mesh with your system. Turning around other people's discards is the BEST way to build a team besides the draft because they come relatively cheap. Signing high priced free agents hamstrings your cap flexibility for many years after.
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You're kidding, right? Most of the players you named weren't major disappointments to other teams. But that's not what I was getting at...

Jameer hasn't shown much of anything, which was my point. It seems every time a team cuts someone, he's presumed by at least a few to be the NEXT great star the Kings need. That was my point; that it's not always going to work out that way.
 
Jameer might do well witha change of scenery. I am not set on getting a guy like him to replace Bibby UNLESS we were to change into a fast paced run and gun team. Jameer is much quicker than Bibby, and would do better than ibby inthat type of situation. HOWEVER if our team is going in any other direction (besides a defensive team lol) I would rather have Bibby.

But fresh starts are all about starting fresh :) If we were to get rid of bibby for come cap space and Jameer or HEDO than I would do it in a heartbeat. :eek: Jameer would be a piece to a puzzle I would accept if another part o the puzzle was a dominant big guy.
 
VF21 said:
You're kidding, right? Most of the players you named weren't major disappointments to other teams. But that's not what I was getting at...

Jameer hasn't shown much of anything, which was my point. It seems every time a team cuts someone, he's presumed by at least a few to be the NEXT great star the Kings need. That was my point; that it's not always going to work out that way.
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I specifically said I do not like Jameer Nelson. I specifically made a larger point about finding the RIGHT castoffs for your system. I never said it ALWAYS works out, as you suggest. I said it can be a very effective method of building a team, if you have the right system in place, and you find the right players to fit that system. This is my main point.



Anyways, I'd like to know which of those players weren't disappointments to other teams. You seemed to have changed the language from "not playing up to his potential" to "major disappointment." There's a big difference.

Webber was seen as a huge underachiever. Bobby Jackson was scoring about 6 ppg or something, and 40% for his career before coming to Sacramento. Bibby was pretty good but really blossomed when he got to Sacramento after his 3rd season. Jimmy Jackson, after a promising early career, was seen as a malcontent and had been on what seemed like 8 teams in 8 years (actually it was 9 teams in 6 years). Keon Clark was also seen as a malcontent who was let go from Toronto despite a solid single season with them (11 and 7 in limited minutes and good defense). Doug Christie was a good player for quite a few years, but really blossomed in Sactown. He's the one guy I'd probably remove from my initial list.
 
Jameer's actually shown quite a bit (inded if you adjust for minutes his numbers are similar/better than Mike's), but the inconsistency is maddening. And at his size, I think he may very well be a Spud Webb type player for us -- good enough to start, but not upper echelon or able to ever get there. You could get him to fill in and be a young placeholder guy while you burned the Bibby chip trying to bring in a top big, but I don't think it would be long until you would be looking to upgrade Jameer next. Migh be a lottery starter, and without the kind of game to be an impact bencher. And with a Nelson/Martin backcourt you would always be in serious danger of seeing your entire backcourt blow away at the first gust of wind. ;)

Mo Williams has much more potential as a long term starter for a good team in the NBA I think, but with our failure to move Mike, we just won't have the money on that front either.

P.S. Chauncey a) is not coming here; b) will want huge money; and c) is old. People really need to forget that one. We're not at a Chauncey Billups place in the basketball world right now.
 
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tjobrien - I'm confused. I really don't understand what you're trying to get at.

The OP stated that if the Kings get rid of Bibby he thinks we should make a run at Jameer Nelson. I stated my disagreement with that idea... and I'm still against it.

The rest seems to be tangental to the topic at hand and, with every post, seems to be going further away from the original point of the thread.

For the record, however, there is NO way Keon Clark should be included with the rest of the players you've named. He made a couple of blocks in games against the Mavericks but, for the most part, he was still an underachiever here.

I still don't think Jameer Nelson is worth acquiring.
 
VF21 said:
tjobrien - I'm confused. I really don't understand what you're trying to get at.

The OP stated that if the Kings get rid of Bibby he thinks we should make a run at Jameer Nelson. I stated my disagreement with that idea... and I'm still against it.

The rest seems to be tangental to the topic at hand and, with every post, seems to be going further away from the original point of the thread.

For the record, however, there is NO way Keon Clark should be included with the rest of the players you've named. He made a couple of blocks in games against the Mavericks but, for the most part, he was still an underachiever here.

I still don't think Jameer Nelson is worth acquiring.
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I think we've found our disconnect. My first post was in response to this statement by you:

"It seems every time a team cuts someone, he's presumed by at least a few to be the NEXT great star the Kings need. That was my point; that it's not always going to work out that way."

I was just trying to say that while it doesn't always work out, and there is a reason that player was castoff...given the right situation, it CAN work out, and that our "glory years" were largely built on castoffs.

Simple as that. *tip o' the cap*
 
I don't like the way Brian Hill runs that team. So I don't know if it's the way Jameer plays or if it's just bad coaching. But I do know Nelson is pretty talented and it depends on what we want to do in the future. He had a pretty good year last year. I dunno, if we can't get another PG in the offseason I guess it'd be worth it to try to get him.
 
KingsInBrazil said:
If Bibby opts out, we could go after Chauncey Billups.. much better than Nelson :cool:
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Both Bibby and his agent have said that he is not opting out. Unless he goes on a real tear and increases his value significantly (extremely unlikely, but you never know), he shall not opt out. We may still lose him via S&T, and might need to shop for a PG. Won't have cap space to go after a big name like Chauncey though.
 
I've always wanted Nelson but more in a Bobby Jackson role. As a starter, I think he should average four assist just to Howard alone, instead he averages four a game. Howard’s offensive game at the moment is all power and athleticism. His guards need to get him the ball where he can use those assets, but Nelson hasn't been able to do that.

If we lost Bibby, he'd be a decent replacement, but only if it was a mid-level or less type of deal. I wouldn't want him as our starter long term.
 
Packt said:
I've always wanted Nelson but more in a Bobby Jackson role. As a starter, I think he should average four assist just to Howard alone, instead he averages four a game. Howard’s offensive game at the moment is all power and athleticism. His guards need to get him the ball where he can use those assets, but Nelson hasn't been able to do that.

If we lost Bibby, he'd be a decent replacement, but only if it was a mid-level or less type of deal. I wouldn't want him as our starter long term.
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I think with his 05-06 play (as a starter) he still has potential to improve on his apg.
 
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