[Rumor] Jake Fisher: Raptors ‘still intrigued’ by Domantas Sabonis

Padrino said:
See, this is disconcerting to me. I want no part of Poeltl's contract, either, but the Kings should be using it to leverage further draft compensation out of TOR. A flat no doesn't help their bargaining position. If TOR is so insistent on getting out from under that hideous contract, make them bleed. Take however many future first rounders you can get them to part with in order to undo their mistake. Other rebuilding teams intuitively understand how to be a landing spot for undesirable contracts; I don't know why the Kings make it so hard.
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Yeah, a little uneasy we're seemingly dismissing Poeltl, when we should be the team willing to just eat his contract for draft capital. The point of cap space for us is to make deals exactly like this in the first place; take on a bad contract for draft capital.

And Poeltl does have the massively added benefit that he's actually a good player if he figures out his health.

It's stupid that we seemingly have to jump through hoops to ever get anything done. Why are we the team taking a hit giving up by far the best player in the deal?
 
Padrino said:
See, this is disconcerting to me. I want no part of Poeltl's contract, either, but the Kings should be using it to leverage further draft compensation out of TOR. A flat no doesn't help their bargaining position. If TOR is so insistent on getting out from under that hideous contract, make them bleed. Take however many future first rounders you can get them to part with in order to undo their mistake. Other rebuilding teams intuitively understand how to be a landing spot for undesirable contracts; I don't know why the Kings make it so hard.
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Who’s to say it isn’t leverage.

“No way man, Poeltl is absolute a no go, we don’t want ‘em”

“We will give you 3 firsts if you take him”

Having said that, I wouldn’t give up three firsts if I was Toronto and if the situation was reversed Kings fans would be irate if we gave up multiple firsts to dump salary.

We have had 3 trades so far in the league and not one of them has included a first rounder. With the current CBA, cheap controlled labor is at premium. It’s possible the days of people throwing around firsts is over.
 
Tetsujin said:
Sounds like this is what they’re doing, no?

“Either find us a third team to take the crappy Poeltl contract for us or make us an offer we can’t refuse”
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Toronto: "We'll give you Barrett, Agbaji, Poeltl, and a pick"
Kings: "That's garbage. Also, Poeltl is broken and we don't want any part of it."
Toronto: "OK, we'll send Poeltl and the pick to, say, the Nets. So you get Barrett and Agbaji for Domas."
Kings: "Click."
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Toronto: "We'll give you Barrett, Agbaji, Poeltl, and a pick"
Kings: "That's garbage. Also, Poeltl is broken and we don't want any part of it."
Toronto: "OK, we'll send Poeltl and the pick to, say, the Nets. So you get Barrett and Agbaji for Domas."
Kings: "Click."
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The thing is they’ve also been adamant about getting a first for Domas so the deal that the Raptors should probably at least be asking the Kings to take is Domas for RJ, Agbaji, the albatross, and two picks.
 
My read on it, the new CBA has teams really thinking about bad money. Its a team killer.
We just saw Trae get traded for a negative value deal. They had to eat Kisperts bad money contract and got no picks.

Sabonis is owed 2/94. On open market hes lucky to get 2/70.

Toronto is offering Barrett + Ochai for Sabonis, and the picks are to eat Poeltl. I for 1 agree with the Kings view. Trading Sabonis is about starting over, and hes not super valuable in this market. Most important thing right now is securing top 5 picks this year and next. If that means Sabonis is a casualty, so be it. And I don't want to be stuck with 4 years of Poeltl making massive money.

I agree with kings position here. Clean house ASAP. Next year LaVine/Barrett/Hunter all massive expriings. Left with maxime, nique, murray, Cardwell, 2026 top 5 pick, 2027 top 5 pick. Thats the right thing to do.
 
To add to that, people get so caught up in values on individual deals. No no dont sell low!

I'd bet my house that in 5 years, this team will be where they are based on how the draft goes the next 2-3 years for their own picks. How many franchises have turned it around because they got the 25th pick from a trade? We aren't trading Giannis, its Sabonis. 2 Late picks from the Raptors would be nice to have, but its realistically the next Nique and Maxince-Prosper.

I'm definitely interested in asset collection to stock a "war-chest" for down the line. but unfortunately we waited too late to jump on these trades. Sabonis, Monk, Demar, all should have been sent out the door the minute we knew Fox wanted out. We should have kept the Bulls lotto pick instead of sending it off for LaVine. Mistakes have already happened, time to clean that up and get a fresh start.

I also think that there's cheaper ways to aquire picks than Poeltl. Teams will pay late 1sts to dump 1 year 15 million dollar deals when they need to. Keep flexibility open and then look for cheaper deals. 2 late picks for Poeltl is taking trash for pennies. Think how the report is we cant move Monk anywhere, no buyers. Teams have their own monk, and we can buy those deals for 1sts which are much easier to swallow than this Poeltl deal.
 
This Memphis Jackson Jr deal is as good of a comparable as we're going to get for assessing the Sabonis value at this trade deadline.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
To add to that, people get so caught up in values on individual deals. No no dont sell low!

I'd bet my house that in 5 years, this team will be where they are based on how the draft goes the next 2-3 years for their own picks. How many franchises have turned it around because they got the 25th pick from a trade? We aren't trading Giannis, its Sabonis. 2 Late picks from the Raptors would be nice to have, but its realistically the next Nique and Maxince-Prosper.

I'm definitely interested in asset collection to stock a "war-chest" for down the line. but unfortunately we waited too late to jump on these trades. Sabonis, Monk, Demar, all should have been sent out the door the minute we knew Fox wanted out. We should have kept the Bulls lotto pick instead of sending it off for LaVine. Mistakes have already happened, time to clean that up and get a fresh start.
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No matter what happens, they find a way to F up everyone situation that inevitably rears its head. Doesn't matter who the GM is, because they are always holding Ranadive's hand, while they attempt to cover for his incompetence.

The question is, why do we continue to waste our time with this? It isn't changing
 
Kingster said:
This Memphis Jackson Jr deal is as good of a comparable as we're going to get for assessing the Sabonis value at this trade deadline.
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yes - I could see an argument for Jackson over Domas as a player, but without out a doubt Jackson has warts in his game and has a huge contract. No reason we shouldn't be looking for at least two first round picks for domas. The problem is I think Perry is valuing players coming back more than he should be in our situation. Similar to the Hunter deal, I think he just really wants Barrett on the team and probably willing to take a deal like this in lieu of a draft pick focused trade. I hope I'm wrong.
 
TaxMan said:
yes - I could see an argument for Jackson over Domas as a player, but without out a doubt Jackson has warts in his game and has a huge contract. No reason we shouldn't be looking for at least two first round picks for domas. The problem is I think Perry is valuing players coming back more than he should be in our situation. Similar to the Hunter deal, I think he just really wants Barrett on the team and probably willing to take a deal like this in lieu of a draft pick focused trade. I hope I'm wrong.
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I hope so too. We're getting down to the nitty-gritty. Within the next couple of days we're going to see Perry totally reveal himself with his actions or inaction.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
No matter what happens, they find a way to F up everyone situation that inevitably rears its head. Doesn't matter who the GM is, because they are always holding Ranadive's hand, while they attempt to cover for his incompetence.

The question is, why do we continue to waste our time with this? It isn't changing
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Cuz its okay to dream! Even though Vivek is trash. ! !!
 
So if I'm reading the most recent trade correctly. Minnesota just sent the the 23rd pick + Conley and in exchange will get the 29th pick.

Conley is an expiring contract making 11 million. Now of course the ranges of those picks can change through end of the year, but Minnesota had to drop back with the 2nd best team just to dump that!

Why is this relevant? No damn chance its worth eating Poeltl contract for 2 late 1sts! Look for trades like this once we open flexibility next year!
 
iowamcnabb said:
What about this type of framework? I’d imagine we only get 1 pick in a deal like that but the books would be clean

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I know you mentioned the possibility of maybe 1 pick coming our way in this scenario, but can you provide a quick rundown of pick distribution across the board? I assume this will require multiple picks. I am just interested in knowing/seeing what your vision is when it comes to all of the picks possibly involved before I pass final judgment.
 
Dime Dropper said:
JJJ getting three first rounders means we should get at least two for Sabonis, but we'll pay the Sacramento tax and come away with a protected first and a pick swap. Book it.
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Domas is a clearly superior player than JJJ by any advanced metric, and he's on a smaller contract.

JJJ fetched 3 firsts and two young guys with potential in Clayton and Hendricks.

If we come away with one pick and Barrett I will have an absolute conniption.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Domas is a clearly superior player than JJJ by any advanced metric, and he's on a smaller contract.

JJJ fetched 3 firsts and two young guys with potential in Clayton and Hendricks.

If we come away with one pick and Barrett I will have an absolute conniption.
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I think the big question at this point is, does the league value his style of play and ability to fit, as much as they do Jackson. The answer is probably not
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Domas is a clearly superior player than JJJ by any advanced metric, and he's on a smaller contract.

JJJ fetched 3 firsts and two young guys with potential in Clayton and Hendricks.

If we come away with one pick and Barrett I will have an absolute conniption.
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Prepare to have a conniption. You've been around long enough to know the type of value we get back!
 
Padrino said:
See, this is disconcerting to me. I want no part of Poeltl's contract, either, but the Kings should be using it to leverage further draft compensation out of TOR. A flat no doesn't help their bargaining position. If TOR is so insistent on getting out from under that hideous contract, make them bleed. Take however many future first rounders you can get them to part with in order to undo their mistake. Other rebuilding teams intuitively understand how to be a landing spot for undesirable contracts; I don't know why the Kings make it so hard.
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To take Poeltl, they have to give up CMB in the deal too along with a pick or 2, pick swaps or the sort
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
I know you mentioned the possibility of maybe 1 pick coming our way in this scenario, but can you provide a quick rundown of pick distribution across the board? I assume this will require multiple picks. I am just interested in knowing/seeing what your vision is when it comes to all of the picks possibly involved before I pass final judgment.
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If I take off my Kings hat and put on an NBA hat I think the most likely is the Kings get one first and the Grizz get two. I love Sabonis and think he is worth more but it doesn’t appear the league does. If there aren’t multiple buyers…. The Grizz get two because they are taking on three contracts considered to have negative value.

The plus side is Lavine (48 mil) Deebo 25ish) and KCP (21) come off the books by the end
of next season. Hunter too if we are so inclined. We aren’t a free agent destination but sign and trade or trading into cap space becomes a real option.
 
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