[Rumor] Jake Fisher: Raptors ‘still intrigued’ by Domantas Sabonis

Capt. Factorial said:
No, I cannot. But if every NBA front office jumped off a cliff, would I jump off that cliff too?

My point is that consensus - if that's even the consensus - means basically nothing to me. I'm not going to go along with something I believe to be clearly wrong just because it's popular.
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The problem is that it takes two to tango, in order to make the trade you want. So the other side's point of view and what they value matters a lot.

It's not an individual sport and business
 
Tizzy Flip said:
So do you have an opinion on why there’s such low interest in Sabonis outside of Toronto if he offers all of that? Every team has an army of people looking at all the numbers so unless they’re looking at different stats, they must be underweighting what you mentioned vs some combination of tangible and intangible elements.
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My genuine opinion is that there are a lot of bad NBA front offices. The Kings are not the only franchise that has ever put poor talent evaluators or conservative thinkers into major decision-making positions.
 
Reality is that neither Sabonis nor JJJ are guys you build as the centerpiece of a contender. But if you look at the real contenders - Spurs, Denver, OKC, or look at the next set of teams - Lakers, Minnesota, Detroit, Boston, Knicks..

All of those teams would prefer JJJ over Sabonis. They wouldn't want to take the ball out of their stars hands to use Sabonis the way needed to maximize him. But JJJ is a plug and play on every single one of those teams and instantly improves the team defense.

Its really hard to find a team where you can clearly say Sabonis would fit better. The teams that come to mind are Phoenix, Portland, Dallas, ATL. Basically a bunch of fringe playoff teams who could use an offensive hub.

I'm confused how anyone can't see this lol. Make the argument of Sabonis over JJJ on any top team.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
"He disagrees with me" and "he has a closed mind" are not synonymous.
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Except where did I disagree with you? I was asking out loud if you could explain why most teams are overlooking VORP in assessing Sabonis’ value vs JJJ. And you decided to cover your ears in your response. I didn’t even offer an opinion. It’s okay, no need to respond. We’re wasting each other’s time
 
The_Jamal said:
Thankfully, he's been better the last few years. Not a star by any means, but he's taken the Andrew Wiggins route of being an incredibly inefficient chucker to being a good starting caliber wing.

We better be getting 2 picks at bare minimum. RJ+Ochai+1 FRP is a complete disaster
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He hasn't been awful or anything but he's not worth his contract and more importantly, not even remotely close to as effective as Sabonis. He's really just another version of the same guys we're trying to get rid of. Might not be quite as bad as they are but he's available for a reason and it's not because the Raptors are in the business of dealing good solid young players. They know he's an empty statter masquerading as a #2 option.

IMO if he's the main piece in a Sabonis deal, it's a KANGZ move. If they have the opportunity to take on the Poeltl contract and get a couple extra picks out of it, then this franchise needs to pull the trigger on that and quit trying to shortcut the rebuild. Unless something miraculous happens, this team is going to be bad for the next 2-3 years, so why worry about cap space during that period? Just stay bad, draft near the top of the draft, hit on a pick or two later in the first round as well and you're off and running like Memphis was a few years ago. No one here is expecting a championship but we'd all like to see a 3-4 year playoff run at minimum.
 
KingsRUs said:
The value is two firsts, with RJ/Jak I believe is what we will see if trade is consummated
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If they are unprotected and 2026/2028 I agree. And we should do it. If we get 3 picks they will be 2027 and later. I don't think Toronto is picking in the lottery but there should be more talent in the middle of this draft unless everyone decides to stay in college so they can get drafted higher next year.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
I think the big question at this point is, does the league value his style of play and ability to fit, as much as they do Jackson. The answer is probably not
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No, the question is: Does Toronto value Sabonis's style of play and ability to fit for their team. We're not trading Sabonis to the entire league, just Toronto.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
Reality is that neither Sabonis nor JJJ are guys you build as the centerpiece of a contender. But if you look at the real contenders - Spurs, Denver, OKC, or look at the next set of teams - Lakers, Minnesota, Detroit, Boston, Knicks..

All of those teams would prefer JJJ over Sabonis. They wouldn't want to take the ball out of their stars hands to use Sabonis the way needed to maximize him. But JJJ is a plug and play on every single one of those teams and instantly improves the team defense.

Its really hard to find a team where you can clearly say Sabonis would fit better. The teams that come to mind are Phoenix, Portland, Dallas, ATL. Basically a bunch of fringe playoff teams who could use an offensive hub.

I'm confused how anyone can't see this lol. Make the argument of Sabonis over JJJ on any top team.
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I could easily see Sabonis make Toronto players better on offense through his ability to facilitate. They already have plenty of defense, which nicely complements his defensive weaknesses. I don't see JJJ making them better on offense and he's a redundancy for their team on defense.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
If they are unprotected and 2026/2028 I agree. And we should do it. If we get 3 picks they will be 2027 and later. I don't think Toronto is picking in the lottery but there should be more talent in the middle of this draft unless everyone decides to stay in college so they can get drafted higher next year.
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Things change really quickly in the NBA nowadays. Just like the T-wolves pick we got in the Fox trade, anything unprotected, 2 or more years into the future, seems like a relatively good lottery ticket to hold. Of course, there are still degrees in value based on the team, but a pretty good asset to hold regardless of the Raptors' current standing in the league.
 
TaxMan said:
Things change really quickly in the NBA nowadays. Just like the T-wolves pick we got in the Fox trade, anything unprotected, 2 or more years into the future, seems like a relatively good lottery ticket to hold. Of course, there are still degrees in value based on the team, but a pretty good asset to hold regardless of the Raptors' current standing in the league.
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I'm just noting that of the 3 picks Memphis got two are projected to be in less hype drafts. So if we get one in 2026 that beats two in 2027, imho.
 
Curious to see if the Bulls revisit Sabonis now that Vuc is out. You’d think they’re doing something else with the number of guards they have on the roster.
 
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