Iverson traded to Denver

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#61
I have real doubts about how A.I. works with another megascorer, but I think the above is largely ttrue. We are a crushing bore with no future. Fans are staying away in droves, and nobody even wants to watch us on the road. Its like we are back to 1997 again or something and roughly as exciting to watch as paint dry. I think A.I. leading Denver into the elite is a longshot, but either way, they are going to have a lot of fun and drama watching it play out, all the media attention, national TV, real playoff drama etc.
I think the rest of the league might have fun watching it all play out, but if this goes wrong I don't see the Denver fans as having a whole lot of fun. Epsecially considering they just gave away two first round picks in a rich draft year.

This could easily end up, as I've eluded to before, as the singular trade that totally rebuilt the 76ers, all courtesy of the Denver Nuggets.
 
#62
Well after reading all the hype about this trade everywhere on the internet and tv it is safe to conclude that Iverson is the most overrated player today.
I lived in PA for 3.5 years and I've seen too much of Iverson to be fooled.
Yes, he took Sixers to the finals, but he was surrounded by players who were all defensive specialists (Snow, Hill, Harpring, Mutombo, Lynch) and this is the only way that the team he's on can be successful. Iverson is super ultra one-dimensional, and it is the one dimension that Denver already has. I like Melo, but I think that this move has a better chance of making Denver look like the Knicks than to make them a serious contender.
 
#63
Finally! :D It must be christmas time and he's not a King or a Hawk so I'm happy. My first reaction was to laugh at this trade (I still am). I just don't think it's going to work. There's going to be fireworks and if it wasn't for 'Melo's "vacation" it might be just in time for New Years' It's definitely going to be interesting to watch. I feel bad for Philly though, they got draft picks which is what they wanted but Miller and Smith are not exactly superstars. I hope Louis Williams gets more playing time now.
 
#65
I'm going to go out on a real long limb right now and predict HUGE fireworks between George Karl and Iverson before St. Patrick's Day. And I can't even begin to imagine the possible conflicts between Iverson and Melo.

And the people of Denver are not going to embrace Iverson and his antics, IMHO. This has "potential for catastrophe" written all over it... in really big letters.
yup and also the "potential for a championship" too - id rather aim high and take that chance. before the trade we werent going anywhere.
 
#67
I think the rest of the league might have fun watching it all play out, but if this goes wrong I don't see the Denver fans as having a whole lot of fun. Epsecially considering they just gave away two first round picks in a rich draft year.
really? giving up two LATE picks? getting a HOFer for nothing? two great scorers? no fun?

doubt it.


This could easily end up, as I've eluded to before, as the singular trade that totally rebuilt the 76ers, all courtesy of the Denver Nuggets.
duh. anyoen could have said that about WHATEVER trade philly made for AI. this move, no matter what it was, is suppose to be their rebuilding. is dre gonna do it? no. joe smith? no. its those picks. if they can nail a star with a 20 something pick more props to them. but that doesnt change the trade from denvers side at all.

but if they miss, then their job gets a million times harder.

no matter what, we gave up dre for AI (basically) and we thank them for it.
 
#68
Good for Denver

Iverson definitely makes them a lot better offensively in having another legit, quality option. And increases their level of attention and probably even more fun to watch.

I think AI/'Melo are mostly going to be fine as far as playing together. They can share the court because of their offensive skillsets, and with what has been said by both recently. As one should differ to some degree, and both give up some shots for the other. And of course both want to win.

The Nuggs still lack versatility in ways to score, outside of slashing/iso, and fast-breaking. JR Smith being their best 3PT shooter, but is more of a streaky shooter. While everyone else is non-existent or doesn't command any significant respect. Inside, they don't have anyone aside from Nene, which is who they've been counting on to be an option in there. But, thing is with him, he's still recovering from time out and his injury. I think he can eventually be at least some kind of a presence down low though.

Still are little to nothing on defense, and not any form of a defensive-minded team.

Overall, I don't think Iverson makes the Nuggs contenders. At the most, AI increases Denver's chances to get into R2. Though won't be surprised if they still get knocked out in R1. Considering the other bunch of teams in the west. My prediction of the Jazz winning the division as long as they stay healthy (which so far they have) still stands despite the AI trade.

So with the Jazz as the likely 4th seed in relation to the playoffs, with the Nuggs as a 5th seed - versus the Jazz? I'd take Utah in that.

If Nuggs get 6th seed and have to face one of Spurs/Mavs/Suns...Phoenix, kinda tough to say, and too early right now because of Denver's situation. That'd be one hell of a series, though. But versus Spurs/Mavs, I think Nuggs go out in R1 again.

All that said, be interesting to see how AI fits in though, for sure..

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I really like the deal for Philly, short-term and long-term. Joe Smith is a solid big, adds depth, and at the same time an expirng contract. Two R1 picks in a deep draft to get 3 picks in R1, and then a good, stable starting point guard in Andre Miller.

Regardless of the level of how legit reports on tv/radio/internet were, Denver was the front-runner for the last week or so.

Not that surprised at this deal, just didn't think AI would be dealt till a bit later.
 
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VF21

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NugzFan - Why exactly are you on a Kings board trying to convince us how good this was for you? Of course you're going to look at all the positives, whether real or hoped for. We wouldn't expect anything less. But we aren't looking at the trade through Denver-colored glasses. Some of us are expressing reservations about the whole deal...

I hope it works out for you but I also hope you'll come around here if it doesn't...

;)
 
#71
I still don't think Denver is a championship caliber team, but this trade will make them a better team, not a worse one.

AI is old enough and starved enough for success that I think he'll be more than willing to share the load with Carmelo. AI did a pretty good job of this when he was on the Olympic team too I felt. He definitely has it in him.

Carmelo is young enough that I don't think he'll mind deferring to Alan some and sharing the leadership role.

And the smaller-town atmosphere of Denver will be a help for Iverson much in the way Sacramento's was for players like Webber, Bonzi, etc.

Denver is going to be an exciting team to watch and with two clutch guys like Melo and AI with an athletic front court, very dangerous in the playoffs.

That said, of course there's a risk of an implosion... but I think these guys are grown up enough to put the petty stuff on hold for at least a year to see what they can do. Now if for some reason the chemistry isn't there and the losses start piling up, there could be a problem :)
 
#72
I did not read this whole thread - sorry if this is repetitive.

On another site, someone made a point that I thought was worth repeating. Imagine how AI will play at sea level after playing for a couple months at Denver's elevation!
 
#73
really? giving up two LATE picks? getting a HOFer for nothing? two great scorers? no fun?

doubt it.

duh. anyoen could have said that about WHATEVER trade philly made for AI. this move, no matter what it was, is suppose to be their rebuilding. is dre gonna do it? no. joe smith? no. its those picks. if they can nail a star with a 20 something pick more props to them. but that doesnt change the trade from denvers side at all.

but if they miss, then their job gets a million times harder.

no matter what, we gave up dre for AI (basically) and we thank them for it.
Good trade talentwise, obviously. If you can overlook:

a) Iverson's sour milk personality
b) George Karl's problems w/ certain personalities
c) two alpha scorers on the same team (not even counting Smith)
 

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I did not read this whole thread - sorry if this is repetitive.

On another site, someone made a point that I thought was worth repeating. Imagine how AI will play at sea level after playing for a couple months at Denver's elevation!
Ah, but perhaps more relevant to us this coming Friday is how will he play at elevation until he gets used to it?

;)
 
#78
NugzFan - Why exactly are you on a Kings board trying to convince us how good this was for you? Of course you're going to look at all the positives, whether real or hoped for. We wouldn't expect anything less. But we aren't looking at the trade through Denver-colored glasses. Some of us are expressing reservations about the whole deal...
im just discussing the deal. it involved denver so why not have another perspective. im not saying anything bad about the kings so dont worry.

but i dont ONLY look at it through those glasses - i can easily name 10 bad things about it. i can talk about both ends of the deal. but i have a hard time respecting fans who can only list absurd reasons why this deal will ABSOLUTELY fail for denver (not necessarily on this site, just in general). its hard to take that seriously. sure theres risk but at least accept the positive aspects of it (and when you trade andre miller for allen iverson, they arent hard to find).

i know we didnt rip philly off because both sides had different agendas and both got what they want. but when people say they ripped us off, thats pretty funny.


I hope it works out for you but I also hope you'll come around here if it doesn't...

;)
ive been here for awhile - AI deal or no deal. why would i stop coming here?

and we are playing each other on friday.
 
#79
Good trade talentwise, obviously. If you can overlook:

a) Iverson's sour milk personality
b) George Karl's problems w/ certain personalities
c) two alpha scorers on the same team (not even counting Smith)
c is no concern at all. a could be. b, karl has dealt with stuff like this in the past.
 
#80
just to add...

you wanna know why its a good trade? because now people are actually comparing us to the title contenders.

before? we were NEVER mentioned with the spurs/suns/mavs. now people ask if we are as good (right now, we arent). but at least they are asking.

people like to assume that since we arent the best team RIGHT NOW the trade was wrong, a mistake, a failure? uh...why? we upgraded our team. isnt that the point of trades? if you judge trades on whether or not they make you contenders then most trades are wrong.

if this trade doesnt work, oh well..we move on with melo/jr/nene. what did we lose out on? being a late lotto team or a 1st round exit? thats not what we want - thats not the FO's objective. thats what we had. now we MIGHT be more than that.

we went from NO chance to a small chance. success.
 

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im just discussing the deal. it involved denver so why not have another perspective. im not saying anything bad about the kings so dont worry.

but i dont ONLY look at it through those glasses - i can easily name 10 bad things about it. i can talk about both ends of the deal. but i have a hard time respecting fans who can only list absurd reasons why this deal will ABSOLUTELY fail for denver (not necessarily on this site, just in general). its hard to take that seriously. sure theres risk but at least accept the positive aspects of it (and when you trade andre miller for allen iverson, they arent hard to find).

i know we didnt rip philly off because both sides had different agendas and both got what they want. but when people say they ripped us off, thats pretty funny.




ive been here for awhile - AI deal or no deal. why would i stop coming here?

and we are playing each other on friday.
So are you basically going to try and outshout every single negative comment about the trade that's posted here?

I ask because it's starting to seem like you feel you have to personally refute every single comment that's being made... And, no offense meant whatsoever, but that gets tired.

We're not Nuggets fans. We're not going to see this with the same excitement you do... It would be like me coming to a Nuggets board and arguing about whether or not the Peja-Artest deal was a good one when it went down. It's simply a matter of different perspectives.
 
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just to add...

you wanna know why its a good trade? because now people are actually comparing us to the title contenders.

before? we were NEVER mentioned with the spurs/suns/mavs. now people ask if we are as good (right now, we arent). but at least they are asking.

people like to assume that since we arent the best team RIGHT NOW the trade was wrong, a mistake, a failure? uh...why? we upgraded our team. isnt that the point of trades? if you judge trades on whether or not they make you contenders then most trades are wrong.

if this trade doesnt work, oh well..we move on with melo/jr/nene. what did we lose out on? being a late lotto team or a 1st round exit? thats not what we want - thats not the FO's objective. thats what we had. now we MIGHT be more than that.

we went from NO chance to a small chance. success.
what other people might say about your chances means squat, actually. iverson is one of the icons of the nba (unfortunately). it is getting paired with one of the near future icons of the nba (again, unfortunately). of course, people in this business will hype up this trade to no end. but just because they seem to think that the nuggets have slightly more chance to become better does not mean anything until these two players step on the court and do something positive. so, to me, your reasoning is flawed.