Iverson traded to Denver
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Am I happy the team is losing more than winning? No.
Am I happy we don't look like a real team out there? No.
Do I think this was "another big trade opportunity that we have missed"? No.
Do I think Petrie has been sitting on his hands? Nope.
I accept that sometimes teams have to get worse before they can get better. That knowledge comes easily, as others and I have mentioned elsewhere, when you're a lifelong 49er fan.
This team attempted the impossible IMHO and they're paying the price now. They tried to rebuild on the fly so they wouldn't have to endure the seasons of the suckage. Well, look around. This is the result. I don't like to watch my team lose any more than the next fan. But it's gonna happen. I choose to accept that in the hope that it is, in fact, part of the transition.
I believe things may well start to turn around more dramatically when we can move some of those flexible pieces and expiring contracts.
It isn't a matter of you having to believe the same thing, of course. My main point in this particular discussion is that I think a lot of people had false hopes about Iverson all along. And now, to over-react because he didn't come to the Kings is just a waste of effort to me. Bottom line? I don't think he would have been the answer here and I strongly suspect he's not going to be the answer in Denver.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Am I happy we don't look like a real team out there? No.
Do I think this was "another big trade opportunity that we have missed"? No.
Do I think Petrie has been sitting on his hands? Nope.
I accept that sometimes teams have to get worse before they can get better. That knowledge comes easily, as others and I have mentioned elsewhere, when you're a lifelong 49er fan.
This team attempted the impossible IMHO and they're paying the price now. They tried to rebuild on the fly so they wouldn't have to endure the seasons of the suckage. Well, look around. This is the result. I don't like to watch my team lose any more than the next fan. But it's gonna happen. I choose to accept that in the hope that it is, in fact, part of the transition.
I believe things may well start to turn around more dramatically when we can move some of those flexible pieces and expiring contracts.
It isn't a matter of you having to believe the same thing, of course. My main point in this particular discussion is that I think a lot of people had false hopes about Iverson all along. And now, to over-react because he didn't come to the Kings is just a waste of effort to me. Bottom line? I don't think he would have been the answer here and I strongly suspect he's not going to be the answer in Denver.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Just a note by the way -- while I have many doubts about A.I.'s ability to work with other offensive players, ANY other offensive players, Melo and A.I. are apparently friends and Melo was pushing to get him in Devnver the same way Pierce and Garnett were in Boston and Minny. So until it actually backfries on court. this isn't something Melo is going to be resentful about.
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Am I the only one who thinks this will work? George Karl has coached a lot stubborn players (melo, Gary Payton, Kemp, Sam Cassell). He should be fine in Denver. They will mesh and play well together. REMEMBER, GEORGE KARL HAS CHANGED MELO'S GAME. he's averaging 30+ pts by going to the line and taking it Strong inside. He'll do the same with AI by forcing him to take it inside more. This will the first time AI's on a team where he's surrounded by talent. The only other time he was around such talented players was Team USA...and i remember correctly...he was considered one of the best team players on team usa!!! He plays well with talent around him. Denver will be a top 4 team in the west now with SA, Phx and Dallas.
And to go with that, Melo is a THIRTY point scorer...This is probably the first temamate that AI has had where he can actually trust to help him carry the load.
Then you potentially have Iverson playing the good-guy role to try and either make, A: Philly look stupid, B: Ender himself to his team/fanbase, C: Porve a point to the rest of the league.
Then you potentially have Iverson playing the good-guy role to try and either make, A: Philly look stupid, B: Ender himself to his team/fanbase, C: Porve a point to the rest of the league.
And, in a way, that will make the explosion - if and when it comes - even more painful. Nothing worse than helping a friend get a job and then having him/her push you out of yours.
At least this time bomb, IMHO, doesn't involve the Kings. In fact, I actually think the ticking from Denver just got a lot louder than the ticking from Sacramento. We might even have to start a poll -
Which bomb will explode first?
At least this time bomb, IMHO, doesn't involve the Kings. In fact, I actually think the ticking from Denver just got a lot louder than the ticking from Sacramento. We might even have to start a poll -
Which bomb will explode first?
I am jealous too!
At least they are going to have some fun in Denver one way or another. Either this will blow up into a championship or blow up into a soap opera. As a Kings fan, I don't mind losing, but I would at least like to have a little fun and be entertained while losing. Right now we are losing and boring.
At least they are going to have some fun in Denver one way or another. Either this will blow up into a championship or blow up into a soap opera. As a Kings fan, I don't mind losing, but I would at least like to have a little fun and be entertained while losing. Right now we are losing and boring.
I am jealous too!
At least they are going to have some fun in Denver one way or another. Either this will blow up into a championship or blow up into a soap opera. As a Kings fan, I don't mind losing, but I would at least like to have a little fun and be entertained while losing. Right now we are losing and boring.
At least they are going to have some fun in Denver one way or another. Either this will blow up into a championship or blow up into a soap opera. As a Kings fan, I don't mind losing, but I would at least like to have a little fun and be entertained while losing. Right now we are losing and boring.
That is exactly how I feel. The Kings right now have no direction, it would be atleast fun to watch if things were interesting. Oh well.
Be careful what you wish for, PR. There are rumors floating all over the place that Iverson is, as I've hinted at above, carrying a C-5 full of baggage with him. Denver is a much smaller town than Philly and might not be quite as accepting of some of his activities, if the rumors are in fact true. I won't repeat them but they're out there for anyone who cares to take the time to dig for them.
My personal thought is that the Kings have enough drama going right now. We don't need any more...
My personal thought is that the Kings have enough drama going right now. We don't need any more...
So Philly trades AI for 4 more years of Andre Miller and a couple low draft picks? This is what they held out for? And Denver exchanges Miller's 9 assists per game for Iverson's 30 points? It's not like this is a team that had any trouble scoring. They may as well have included JR Smith in the deal for all the shots he's going to get there now. I think they both get worse. The only thing that makes sense about this deal is cap room for Philly (which they could have gotten from anyone) and PR for Denver -- who probably pulled the trigger for the idiotic reason that Carmelo just got himself suspended for 15 games. Let's see how they like this one in a year. Maybe I'm wrong.
It pays to be a pessimist here. I think most good players don't really like playing with ball-hog Iverson. Whether Karl can coach his way through the inevitable turmoil, whether with Melo or whomever, remains to be seen. Iverson is Iverson.
I'm glad he's not with the Kings, especially at the kind of price the Nuggets paid!
I'm glad he's not with the Kings, especially at the kind of price the Nuggets paid!
Am I happy with the direction of the organization?
Well, that covers a LOT of territory, and I don't have time to go into it all now (trying to get a project done at work and will be here late tonight trying to finish it all up).
The team has been bleeding talent (I think because of the uncertainty of the ARCO situation and inability to break even many years), so no, I don't like that.
Not sure if it is Muss or the players, but there is some disfunction here. Not liking that.
I'd like to have KG, so I'm not liking that.
Do like the trade for Artest in retrospect, getting Martin and Garcia and Salmons recently. Props there.
Rather have Williams than Taylor, Hart, or Pot. Not liking that either.
We have some expirings and maybe Bibby's contract up or gone soon, so that is nice. Wish Bibby was playing better, though.
Got a lot of guys banged up with injuries, but what's new there....
I think Petrie is being forced to operate within certain economic parameters which hogties any expensive acquisitions. But it's not my money so I can't complain.
The overriding factor though is that I am a Kings fan. I am glad they're here and trying to work out a deal to stay. That is priority #1 in my book right now, the rest will take care of itself eventually. I seriously think that Petrie and MSE want to win and are doing the best they can to do so. Maybe their best isn't good enough, but I'm not sure I am qualified to gaze into a crystal ball or video game screeen and call them out on it without having all the details and limitations they are privvy to.
Well, that covers a LOT of territory, and I don't have time to go into it all now (trying to get a project done at work and will be here late tonight trying to finish it all up).
The team has been bleeding talent (I think because of the uncertainty of the ARCO situation and inability to break even many years), so no, I don't like that.
Not sure if it is Muss or the players, but there is some disfunction here. Not liking that.
I'd like to have KG, so I'm not liking that.
Do like the trade for Artest in retrospect, getting Martin and Garcia and Salmons recently. Props there.
Rather have Williams than Taylor, Hart, or Pot. Not liking that either.
We have some expirings and maybe Bibby's contract up or gone soon, so that is nice. Wish Bibby was playing better, though.
Got a lot of guys banged up with injuries, but what's new there....
I think Petrie is being forced to operate within certain economic parameters which hogties any expensive acquisitions. But it's not my money so I can't complain.
The overriding factor though is that I am a Kings fan. I am glad they're here and trying to work out a deal to stay. That is priority #1 in my book right now, the rest will take care of itself eventually. I seriously think that Petrie and MSE want to win and are doing the best they can to do so. Maybe their best isn't good enough, but I'm not sure I am qualified to gaze into a crystal ball or video game screeen and call them out on it without having all the details and limitations they are privvy to.
And, in a way, that will make the explosion - if and when it comes - even more painful. Nothing worse than helping a friend get a job and then having him/her push you out of yours.
At least this time bomb, IMHO, doesn't involve the Kings. In fact, I actually think the ticking from Denver just got a lot louder than the ticking from Sacramento. We might even have to start a poll -
Which bomb will explode first?
At least this time bomb, IMHO, doesn't involve the Kings. In fact, I actually think the ticking from Denver just got a lot louder than the ticking from Sacramento. We might even have to start a poll -
Which bomb will explode first?
it's gotta be exciting to be a sixer fan right now! cwebb's $$$ will come off the cap soon, joe smith at the end of the year, a competent PG who will distribute the ball and 4 first round picks in a loaded draft. WoW! i was hoping petrie would pull something like this off...... guess he's saving something closer to the trade deadline
How's it working out? Pretty good, all things considered.
And the "every other night it's another comment" statement is pretty much without any kind of relevance. At least he puts his heart and effort where his mouth is...
I'm not gonna fault him for his passion or commitment. At least he has a pulse.
And the "every other night it's another comment" statement is pretty much without any kind of relevance. At least he puts his heart and effort where his mouth is...
I'm not gonna fault him for his passion or commitment. At least he has a pulse.
I am jealous too!
At least they are going to have some fun in Denver one way or another. Either this will blow up into a championship or blow up into a soap opera. As a Kings fan, I don't mind losing, but I would at least like to have a little fun and be entertained while losing. Right now we are losing and boring.
At least they are going to have some fun in Denver one way or another. Either this will blow up into a championship or blow up into a soap opera. As a Kings fan, I don't mind losing, but I would at least like to have a little fun and be entertained while losing. Right now we are losing and boring.
I have real doubts about how A.I. works with another megascorer, but I think the above is largely ttrue. We are a crushing bore with no future. Fans are staying away in droves, and nobody even wants to watch us on the road. Its like we are back to 1997 again or something and roughly as exciting to watch as paint dry. I think A.I. leading Denver into the elite is a longshot, but either way, they are going to have a lot of fun and drama watching it play out, all the media attention, national TV, real playoff drama etc.
And then there were five...
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[COLOR="Teal"]Active players that have been with the same team their entire careers (ten years or more):
Kevin Garnett 12
Kobe Bryant 11
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 11*
Tim Duncan 10
Adonal Foyle 10
* Zydrunas Ilgauskas missed the entire 1996-97 and 1999-00 seasons due to injury.
And two players that are likely to join the 10+ club next season:
Dirk Nowitzki 9
Paul Pierce 9[/COLOR]