I've Had It With Reggie ! Kings Lotto Pick

[sactownfan]

What is the deal with this guy? I was all down with giving him a break during his ups and downs this year. But now its affecting our rebuilding and youth development.

Last night we had a chance to pick up a game on NJ, in a tight race for the 11th spot. But good old Reggie still thinks were gunning for the 8th seed and surprise, surprise... played all the vets and blanked S.Williams, Douby 10m min. and gave Hawes a whopping 9 min's(yes he was hurt but when healthy hes still not gettin enough mins). Sure Moore and Miller had good games but i know what their capable of doing,and at this point and would think we should be trying to figure out Douby, S.Williams and Hawes.

I'm fine with not tanking but ITS NOT TANKING IF YOU GIVE YOUR YOUTH BIG MINS. Its smart. Im so sick of this "in the now thinking". We just got GP to commit to rebuilding. Reggie whats the deal?

I will take this back if playing these old vets helps get them moved/traded this off season. But I don't know how likely that is and it still YOU SHOULD BE PLAYING YOUR YOUTH!

1. Sure Douby has been a bust at the PG spot but lets get him in there more with either Salmons or Garcia handling the ball. Douby has shown to be a good scrappy defender and unlike Steve Kerr he can nail 3's and drive the lane. Douby could end up being just a situation player but lets give this guy some more mins!

2. S.Williams has produced in the little mins hes had. at least it seems that way in the stats. Hes very much a mystery at this point. Hes so hungry for mins (especially after the last year in ATL)that i feel he forces it and isnt playing at a natural level yet.

3. And finally Hawes ! obviously the same goes with Hawes... talk about forcing it and not trusting that he can just let the game come to him. This guy is by far the most promissing of these 3 guys. He could be special and will aparently have to wait tell next year to really grow and play big min's.

REGGIE ! PULL IT TOGETHER !

 

[OptimusRhyme]

yah he sucks at giving the young guys minutes. he pulls douby whenever he makes mistakes but this is the time for douby and the other youngs to make mistakes because were not making the playoffs let them play, fail, learn then succeed reggie!

 

[Warhawk]

3. And finally Hawes ! obviously the same goes with Hawes... talk about forcing it and not trusting that he can just let the game come to him. This guy is by far the most promissing of these 3 guys. He could be special and will aparently have to wait tell next year to really grow and play big min's.

Uh, Hawes got hurt in the 2nd quarter (ankle sprain, I think)....

I think that more than anything limited his PT last night, as he's been getting good minutes and playing well recently IIRC.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Uh, Hawes got hurt in the 2nd quarter (ankle sprain, I think)....

I think that more than anything limited his PT last night, as he's been getting good minutes and playing well recently IIRC.

It dosent explain not playing Shelden and Douby.. They should be getting at least 25 plus mins a game along with Garcia.

 

[DocHolliday]

They talked about on the Radio last night that Reggie specifically stated they are not just shooting for a lotto pick. They are trying to win games. Not to shoot for the 8th seed, as you said, but to continue building, and finish strong.

If this ideal is in line with the ideals of the Kings organization, then what he is doing is just fine. The idea that this isn't ok, is your opinion, and nothing more.

Look for the young guys to play more in the last 8-10 games, or once they've met or surpassed the win total of last year. I do believe, and I from what I heard I think the Kings organization believes meeting or exceeding the win total of last year, even if it is byone or two, is important.

 

[G_M]

I do believe, and I from what I heard I think the Kings organization believes meeting or exceeding the win total of last year, even if it is byone or two, is important.

Given the state of the roster and growing discontent among the fanbase I can't think of a more meaningless milestone.

 

[sactownfan]

The idea that this isn't ok, is your opinion, and nothing more.

my opinion? hmm..... well common sense tells me that it would make more people feel better about next year if Hawes and S. Williams starting being consistent producers on the floor vs the kings being able to have more wins than last years disaster.

just playing a little more the last 8-10 games isn't going to do wonders for their growth...

no one cares about winning games right now other than Reggie. I understand he wants to have a better record that E. Muss. But we are all fine with our team sucking right now. We wont blame Reggie if we didnt match last years record. We care more about the future than now and Reggie's being selfish right now in trying to hit that mark vs playing the kids. Plus HOW IN THE WORLD COULD YOU NOT CARE ABOUT THE LOTO ! ? ! ? THATS STRAIGHT STUPID !

 

[Warhawk]

my opinion? hmm..... well common sense tells me that it would make more people feel better about next year if Hawes and S. Williams starting being consistent producers on the floor vs the kings being able to have more wins than last years disaster.

just playing a little more the last 8-10 games isn't going to do wonders for their growth...

no one cares about winning games right now other than Reggie. I understand he wants to have a better record that E. Muss. But we are all fine with our team sucking right now. We wont blame Reggie if we didnt match last years record. We care more about the future than now and Reggie's being selfish right now in trying to hit that mark vs playing the kids. Plus HOW IN THE WORLD COULD YOU NOT CARE ABOUT THE LOTO ! ? ! ? THATS STRAIGHT STUPID !

Unless the Maloofs do to "prove" that the team is improving. He could be under pressure to improve the record from last year.

 

[VF21]

my opinion? hmm..... well common sense tells me that it would make more people feel better about next year if Hawes and S. Williams starting being consistent producers on the floor vs the kings being able to have more wins than last years disaster.

just playing a little more the last 8-10 games isn't going to do wonders for their growth...

no one cares about winning games right now other than Reggie. I understand he wants to have a better record that E. Muss. But we are all fine with our team sucking right now. We wont blame Reggie if we didnt match last years record. We care more about the future than now and Reggie's being selfish right now in trying to hit that mark vs playing the kids. Plus HOW IN THE WORLD COULD YOU NOT CARE ABOUT THE LOTO ! ? ! ? THATS STRAIGHT STUPID !

It has been said publicly numerous times that the idea is to play hard and to play with energy. The team, the owners and the coaches want the players to earn their money and not just phone in the rest of the season. You may not agree with the philosophy but it's their team.

And it's also about pride as a player. This "we" you speak of is an unknown percentage of fans but it's not all fans. And please, if you're going to talk about the "LOTO," especially in caps, at least get it correct. It's "LOTTO"...

 

[Entity]

Well Garcia and Hawes are getting good playing time. Maybe and this is just a guess going by what i have seen on the court. Douby and Williams are not difference makers AT ALL. They will both be lucky if they stay in the NBA coming off the bench. So with that said maybe those 2 guys aren't in the plans for next season and are not worthy of the playing time. Maybe playing Brad and Moore and Artest is increasing their trade value and Douby and Williams are just trade fodder. As far as Anthony Johnson goes its mostly because of the Beno being out and he don't want the offense to be awful with no play maker and a S&T could be an option when it comes to him as well as Artest. I am sick of these "Reggie isn't playing the kids" crap he is playing the kids. The ones that matter to the future of the franchise not DL candidates.

 

[Spike]

I am sick of these "Reggie isn't playing the kids" crap he is playing the kids. The ones that matter to the future of the franchise not DL candidates.

A voice of reason. Beno, Hawes, and Garcia are getting minutes. Douby will not fit here with Sacto, and Williams may not be anything more than filler.

BTW, Reggie needs to tape up Hawes and give Beno more cortisone to get them out on the floor more. What's he thinking?

Come on guys, I'm on the east coast, and I can see this just as well as you can. I try and keep my knee-jerk reactions to a minimum.

 

[creAtivetfh]

i guess nobody has thought that some of the "young kids" won't be a part of the future of this organization.

I really think Douby needs to get some PT in the D-league

 

[eastcoastking]

What is the deal with this guy? I was all down with giving him a break during his ups and downs this year. But now its affecting our rebuilding and youth development.

Last night we had a chance to pick up a game on NJ, in a tight race for the 11th spot. But good old Reggie still thinks were gunning for the 8th seed and surprise, surprise... played all the vets and blanked S.Williams, Douby 10m min. and gave Hawes a whopping 9 min's. Sure Moore and Miller had good games but i know what their capable of doing,and at this point and would think we should be trying to figure out Douby, S.Williams and Hawes.

I'm fine with not tanking but ITS NOT TANKING IF YOU GIVE YOUR YOUTH BIG MINS. Its smart. Im so sick of this "in the now thinking". We just got GP to commit to rebuilding. Reggie whats the deal?

I will take this back if playing these old vets helps get them moved/traded this off season. But I don't know how likely that is and it still YOU SHOULD BE PLAYING YOUR YOUTH!

1. Sure Douby has been a bust at the PG spot but lets get him in there more with either Salmons or Garcia handling the ball. Douby has shown to be a good scrappy defender and unlike Steve Kerr he can nail 3's and drive the lane. Douby could end up being just a situation player but lets give this guy some more mins!

2. S.Williams has produced in the little mins hes had. at least it seems that way in the stats. Hes very much a mystery at this point. Hes so hungry for mins (especially after the last year in ATL)that i feel he forces it and isnt playing at a natural level yet.

3. And finally Hawes ! obviously the same goes with Hawes... talk about forcing it and not trusting that he can just let the game come to him. This guy is by far the most promissing of these 3 guys. He could be special and will aparently have to wait tell next year to really grow and play big min's.

REGGIE ! PULL IT TOGETHER !

Well we know why Spencer didn't play much, he sprained his ankle in the first half. Other than that he's been getting steady, increasing minutes as of late, including his first start when Brad wasn't able to play.

Douby... I honestly don't see him being in a Kings uni for very long. He's an undersized SG who we need to be a PG(never gonna happen) on a team thats gonna have Kmart, Garcia, Salmons, and maybe Artest all sharing mintues at the wings. Not to mention Beno, if he is resigned, who can also play some at the 2 if we have another option at PG(one of our biggest needs for next year, mainly because Douby hasn't turned in the backup PG we thought he'd be). Theres a very good chance Douby could be apart of any trades that may happen in the offseason.

Now Sheldon's playing time, or lack thereof, is the big mystery. Why isn't he playing more with the playoffs out of reach at this point? I don't know, but all I can say is his playing time disappeared in ATL and it hasn't rematerialized here in SAC. Maybe theres somethin going on that we don't see? Regardless, i think he needs to play more than he has. With four capable bigs(maybe 5? Wright looked ok in his short 1 game appearance) we should never have to play small ball.

 

[Kingster]

Uh, Hawes got hurt in the 2nd quarter (ankle sprain, I think)....

I think that more than anything limited his PT last night, as he's been getting good minutes and playing well recently IIRC.

I think you're missing the larger point.

 

[Kingster]

They talked about on the Radio last night that Reggie specifically stated they are not just shooting for a lotto pick. They are trying to win games. Not to shoot for the 8th seed, as you said, but to continue building, and finish strong.

If this ideal is in line with the ideals of the Kings organization, then what he is doing is just fine. The idea that this isn't ok, is your opinion, and nothing more.

Look for the young guys to play more in the last 8-10 games, or once they've met or surpassed the win total of last year. I do believe, and I from what I heard I think the Kings organization believes meeting or exceeding the win total of last year, even if it is byone or two, is important.

I'm not directing this a you because you're just the messanger on this, but my question to Theus would be: Finishing strong with whom? Finishing strong with Miki and Anthony Johnson? Or, finishing strong with Douby, Williams, Hawes and Garcia? I just don't understand the disconnect in this organization. All the vibes I get from Reynolds - and he is a integral member of the organization, as well as a Petrie confidant - is that he is in favor of playing the young guys. Yet, Theus does just the opposite. It's mind-boggling.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

I really think Douby needs to get some PT in the D-league

Unfortunately he might be there because he is no longer on an NBA roster. The CBA says you can only send a player down for his first two years, so next year the D-League is out for Douby and Williams. I would not be surprised if Douby's option is not picked for his forth year.

Williams I think has a place in this league if we could give him extended minutes. He needs to play with Miller, Martin and Beno to show if he can play.

 

[DocHolliday]

my opinion? hmm..... well common sense tells me that it would make more people feel better about next year if Hawes and S. Williams starting being consistent producers on the floor vs the kings being able to have more wins than last years disaster.

just playing a little more the last 8-10 games isn't going to do wonders for their growth...

no one cares about winning games right now other than Reggie. I understand he wants to have a better record that E. Muss. But we are all fine with our team sucking right now. We wont blame Reggie if we didnt match last years record. We care more about the future than now and Reggie's being selfish right now in trying to hit that mark vs playing the kids. Plus HOW IN THE WORLD COULD YOU NOT CARE ABOUT THE LOTO ! ? ! ? THATS STRAIGHT STUPID !

Again, it's YOUR OPINION! One that is not shared by the organization. These are people that know much more about basketball and what THEY want to do than you or I.

 

[tyrant]

this coach is discusting to watch coach. surpassing the W's from last year is meaningless because we're stuck in the same spot as last year. the 20th seed in the west. i dont like tanking, but if we happen to lose more games because we've been playing the rookies then thats different. its not tanking; its developing. watch the heat, they really know how to get it done! we've had spencer all season and we still dont have a clear evaluation of his game. this isnt 2003 where our rookies cant get minutes because they're backing up some of the best at their positions. this is 2008, where mikki moore happens

 

[Warhawk]

I think you're missing the larger point.

No, I get the "larger point", but as for Hawes, an injury kept him from playig the minutes he's been rightfully getting. No reason to include him in the list.

 

[keflanag]

no one cares about winning games right now other than Reggie. I understand he wants to have a better record that E. Muss. But we are all fine with our team sucking right now. We wont blame Reggie if we didnt match last years record. We care more about the future than now and Reggie's being selfish right now in trying to hit that mark vs playing the kids. Plus HOW IN THE WORLD COULD YOU NOT CARE ABOUT THE LOTO ! ? ! ? THATS STRAIGHT STUPID !

Completely false. Some people DO care about winning games right now. Just because you don't, doesn't mean you can lump everyone into your category. I'd rather see the Kings play Miller, Artest, Moore, etc. and win against Houston, LA, New Orleans, San Antonio, etc. than to see the youth go out and get killed. And some (including Reggie) think that going into next season saying "look at who we beat. Look at what we did when the effort was there" is way more important than getting the 11th pick instead of the 12th and getting 10 games under their belt.

 

[tyrant]

Completely false. Some people DO care about winning games right now. Just because you don't, doesn't mean you can lump everyone into your category. I'd rather see the Kings play Miller, Artest, Moore, etc. and win against Houston, LA, New Orleans, San Antonio, etc. than to see the youth go out and get killed. And some (including Reggie) think that going into next season saying "look at who we beat. Look at what we did when the effort was there" is way more important than getting the 11th pick instead of the 12th and getting 10 games under their belt.

what does that do for you? these players have had 71 games to prove how bad they can lose to teams that are over .500. the record is 12-40 i believe. they cant compete. let the younger guys get most of the playing time. i think a few of them can be better than some of our starters.

 

[Ryle]

I don't want to see Douby play because he flat out sucks and was a complete waste of a draft pick. The one head scratcher I can't understand is why he is giving Mikki Moore a ton of minutes over Shelden Williams. Williams at least has a future ahead of him whereas Moore is what he is and that's an average(at best) big man.

 

[sactownfan]

I'd rather see the Kings play Miller, Artest, Moore, etc. and win against Houston, LA, New Orleans, San Antonio, etc. than to see the youth go out and get killed. And some (including Reggie) think that going into next season saying "look at who we beat. Look at what we did when the effort was there" is way more important than getting the 11th pick instead of the 12th and getting 10 games under their belt.

Great point.... NOT!.... Yes i'd much rather watch us win meaningless games vs improving our lotto pick of a player that might actually be a part of the future and rebuilding of our team. Or have one last good look at Douby. Or seeing what S.Williams can do. Yes please let me see more Miller and M.Moore ! oh joy two guys that have no place in our future at this point, unless traded. or better yet lets start A. Johnson someone that has absolutely no future here. Also at no point should Wright be coming in before S.Williams.

Yes Hawes is hurt but if hes healthy he should be starting at the 5 or at least
seeing over 20 min a game.

 

[VF21]

Completely false. Some people DO care about winning games right now. Just because you don't, doesn't mean you can lump everyone into your category. I'd rather see the Kings play Miller, Artest, Moore, etc. and win against Houston, LA, New Orleans, San Antonio, etc. than to see the youth go out and get killed. And some (including Reggie) think that going into next season saying "look at who we beat. Look at what we did when the effort was there" is way more important than getting the 11th pick instead of the 12th and getting 10 games under their belt.

Word.

It's about pride and showing effort and actually acting as though they understand they're basically being paid to entertain the people whose butts are in the seats. It's not about the win; it's about the effort. The wins generally come because of the effort - and that's something I truly do not want to see go away for the simple reason it's not always that easy to get it back.

Of course, you'll be loudly and vehemently criticized for even suggesting that Miller, Artest and Moore should be getting minutes, but you have valid points and you're not alone in believing them.

Nice post.

 

[Larry89]

would you rather have eric musselman?

 

[tyrant]

Word.

It's about pride and showing effort and actually acting as though they understand they're basically being paid to entertain the people whose butts are in the seats. It's not about the win; it's about the effort. The wins generally come because of the effort - and that's something I truly do not want to see go away for the simple reason it's not always that easy to get it back.

Of course, you'll be loudly and vehemently criticized for even suggesting that Miller, Artest and Moore should be getting minutes, but you have valid points and you're not alone in believing them.

Nice post.

is that what you call entertainment? 32-39. we're easily delighted. whatever happened to competitiveness; sigh.

 

[Gary]

is that what you call entertainment? 32-39. we're easily delighted. whatever happened to competitiveness; sigh.

Entertainment is going out there every night and competing with a chance to win no matter who we are playing. It's not entertaining to go out there and lose just because we need a better lotto pick. I don't care if we are 10-60, and guaranteed worst pick.. It's nice to see the team trying. that's the difference between this team, and last years team. That's why Theus is 100000000x better than Musselman.

The bottom line is unless we get #1-3 we will most likely NOT get a franchise player. So give me #12, or #11. I don't care. We will probably get the same player either way.. NJ is coveting a big.. Thabeet, Hibbert, Love, or Jordan. I have a feeling Love, and Jordan might not be available at 11 so Thabeet, and Hibbert would be choices for NJ. Big deal. I wouldn't want either one for the Kings. So that's why I would rather see a winning team out there that is entertaining and competing.

 

[kupman]

The one head scratcher I can't understand is why he is giving Mikki Moore a ton of minutes over Shelden Williams.

It could be argued that any time Mikki gets significant minutes you are guilty of tanking...if you get my drift.

 

[tyrant]

i have 30% body fat(not really). hold my juice while i dance in my power rangers uniform. is that entertainment or what. what we're seeing is not entertainment. salmons sucking, mikki sucking, artest picking games to play in, theus calling timeouts down by 20. didnt we just get routed by the suns a few days ago??? makes no sense. none. im glad you all have this intensity and love for the team. lets em know you'll still love em no matter how much they suck. sounds like a mothers job if you ask me.

 

[keflanag]

is that what you call entertainment? 32-39. we're easily delighted. whatever happened to competitiveness; sigh.

You're absolutely right. I think next year, you should just get a TiVo with a massive hard drive. Buy the NBA package and record every game of every team. Then, once you see who wins the NBA championship, you can go back and watch that "entertaining" team and relive all their glory.