Is Tyreke Evans a PG... Article

[sc3252]

Ok, well this was posted around a week ago... I missed it, and it looks like everyone else here did too(probably not everyone ).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/442761-letrsquos-investigate-is-tyreke-evans-a-point-guard

Yeah it is Bleacher report, but I still thought it was a good read. Of course this isn't anything we don't know, but it is still fun reading articles on our finest player.

 

[Entity]

yeah I think the "tyreke is not a pg" people should read this article. I touches on most all of the points I and others have said. But some people don't acknowledge it unless its from a national source. The way he talked about Garcia and SG has touched on my point I have had all summer of Garcia being the best SG beside Tyreke.

 

[bajaden]

yeah I think the "tyreke is not a pg" people should read this article. I touches on most all of the points I and others have said. But some people don't acknowledge it unless its from a national source. The way he talked about Garcia and SG has touched on my point I have had all summer of Garcia being the best SG beside Tyreke.

Lets face it. If Tyreke were 6'2" we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. But he's not! Thus the debate. His style of play isn't that much different from a lot of other pt guards, and his results as a pt are above average for a rookie, to say the least. I agree with you on Cisco. Tyreke needs a safety valve to kick to, and I think a healthy Cisco is the best option at SG. Hey! I hear Douby is looking for a new home....

 

[Kingsguy881]

Great article. I honestly think that with the lessen of the focus on Cisco, his all around versatility will shine. He is a jack of all trades, master of none. Just like DC, who had things he was better at like passing and defense, and he could bang the 3 and also slash and yack the rock like Cisco can. If he can up his decision making, which I predict to be easier with the addition of Couisns and the maturation of Evans, not to mention his own health, Cisco will play a key role in our push for a playoff seeding. I'm hoping, anyway.

 

[Gary]

Meh, he's a combo guard in my book.. It's not a bad thing though.

 

[swisshh]

Lets face it. If Tyreke were 6'2" we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. But he's not! Thus the debate. His style of play isn't that much different from a lot of other pt guards, and his results as a pt are above average for a rookie, to say the least. I agree with you on Cisco. Tyreke needs a safety valve to kick to, and I think a healthy Cisco is the best option at SG. Hey! I hear Douby is looking for a new home....

Oh, trust me, we'd still have this debate if he was 6'2". People say the same thing about Ben Gordon or Stuckey. It's all about playstyle, which the article ignores. Also, beware anyone who makes this classic sports debate mistake.

Numbers don’t lie.

Right, in a way, since numbers are just numbers. They don't present any truth but themselves. It is when human interpretation of numbers comes in that the lie does.

The notion Tyreke isn’t a willing passer is more of a perception than reality

Ah, there's that human deduction!

 

[mac]

Oh, trust me, we'd still have this debate if he was 6'2". People say the same thing about Ben Gordon or Stuckey. It's all about playstyle, which the article ignores. Also, beware anyone who makes this classic sports debate mistake.



Right, in a way, since numbers are just numbers. They don't present any truth but themselves. It is when human interpretation of numbers comes in that the lie does.



Ah, there's that human deduction!

I don't know about Stuckey, but how in the world would you even for a moment consider that Ben Gordon is a PG? Whether Tyreke is one or not, at least a case could be made... When has Ben Gordon ever in his career played PG or had Tyreke's kind of assist numbers? To compare Tyreke to Ben Gordon is pushing it more than a little IMO

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

It amuses me that Westphal hasn't stepped in and given his opinion on Reke's position. Either he doesn't know, or he is deliberately withholding (possibly because he enjoys the existence of internet sports debates.)

 

[JB_kings]

It amuses me that Westphal hasn't stepped in and given his opinion on Reke's position. Either he doesn't know, or he is deliberately withholding (possibly because he enjoys the existence of internet sports debates.)

I've heard him say that it amuses him when people say Tyreke isn't a PG. He thinks that people make way too much out of labels like PG or SG. He thinks he is a terrific guard that should have the ball in his hands because a lot of good things happen when he does.

 

[bajaden]

Oh, trust me, we'd still have this debate if he was 6'2". People say the same thing about Ben Gordon or Stuckey. It's all about playstyle, which the article ignores. Also, beware anyone who makes this classic sports debate mistake.



Right, in a way, since numbers are just numbers. They don't present any truth but themselves. It is when human interpretation of numbers comes in that the lie does.



Ah, there's that human deduction!

Come on Swisshh, when was the last time anyone accused Ben Gordon of being a point guard? When has anyone accused Eric Gordon of being a point guard. I'll give you Stuckey, but he just happens to be a crappy immitation of a point guard. In general, anyone that handles the ball over 25% of the time when on the floor, and initiates the offense, can wear the moniker of point guard. We can argue about how effective said player is, or whether he should be playing the position or not, but thats a different issue. I think we can at least agree that point guards come in different sizes and styles. Parker is a point guard and so is Nash, but they have entirely different styles.

I understand your implication about "Numbers don't lie". I agree, they don't tell the whole story. They may not be the whole picture, but they're an important part of the picture. In general, I doubt people on this fourm would be discussing Melo if he didn't average 28 PPG. At the same time I would bet that at least half those people couldn't tell you how he got most of those points. Most of those people only saw him play when the Nuggets played the Kings.

As for Evans. I'll be honest with you. I don't think he really knows what he is just yet. He's a 6'6" kid with a lot of natural talent, that for now is our point guard. He may well be our point guard for the forseeable future, or he may morph into something else, similar to Wade. We'll see!

 

[kennadog]

I doubt it matters to Westfall what you call Evans. Whatever people want to call Evans position, it isn't likely to change how Westphal uses him on the court.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

When has anyone accused Eric Gordon of being a point guard.

Eric Gordon did, before his draft! He said something like "I definitely see myself as a 1 in the league." Probably because he was worried that potential drafting teams would worry that he was shorter than the preferred SG height. But I agree he has looked nothing like a PG and everything like a SG since day one.

 

[The Hammer]

It amuses me that Westphal hasn't stepped in and given his opinion on Reke's position. Either he doesn't know, or he is deliberately withholding (possibly because he enjoys the existence of internet sports debates.)

He has. He calls him a "lead guard". See here, back Westphal's day the 5 position distinction was not such a big deal. I think it has come with the celebrity of pro players these days. Back then, you were either a G, or an F, or a C. Maybe sometimes a G/F. The lead guard usually had the ball, but not always. My impression is that Westphal finds this endless quibbling about labeling Tyreke as a PG or SG a bit amusing. The game is not, and never has been, played that way. Team styles vary, player styles vary, matchups vary, and you need to be versatile, something Westphal clearly emphasizes, especially on defense. Incidentally I find the endless quibbling about it--pg, sg, combo guard, whatever, kinda retarded. Call him what you want, but he's the guy who usually has the ball in his hands, usually brings it up. You can't coach labels. But you can argue them as a fan, at least outside of gametime. During gametime, I doubt even the most incessant quibblers give a ****.

 

[fnordius]

I understand your implication about "Numbers don't lie". I agree, they don't tell the whole story. They may not be the whole picture, but they're an important part of the picture.

Although, in the case of this particular article, some of the numbers are worse than useless. It's completely deceptive to talk about Steve Nash's paltry couple of assists per game as a rookie when he was buried on the bench, playing only 10.5 minutes a game, while Tyreke has played more minutes per game than anyone he's being compared to. Steve Nash made 9.7 assists/48 as a rookie, to Tyreke's 7.5/48. Implying that Nash couldn't make an assist as a rookie leaves me scratching my head as to what's up with the author. Intentionally distorting stats, or merely incompetent?

But hey, I'm used to bleacherreport articles that say things like that Tyreke should receive a 10 game suspension at minimum for reckless driving, so I'm not feeling shocked by the weak analysis.

 

[ZZ-TOP]

Must...resist my urges...for Bajadens sake.