is rahim a dissapointment?

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Kings241

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BMiller52 said:
suns, mavs, sonics, kings? Don't even act like you expected the mavs or sonics or suns to beat the spurs in the po's last year. There was a huge difference maker vs seattle and phoenix named TIM DUNCAN. Before webber injury we were going to win a ring for sure, we would've beat dallas and san antonio. And yeah, the suns weren't even expected to make the conference finals at the beginning of last season so don't even act like they were a dissapointment. They were the feel good story that year. I see your point that if you don't play good defense and you just let the other team score than they'll get points and you won't and you'll lose, but even if we get above average defensively and we're a top of the line offensive team then that can get you a ring.
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Above Average Defenivley right... Well we are ranked as one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and that says it all that we need to get rid of Bibby and Brad Miller.
 
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Kings241 said:
you guys tend to say that Shareef does not play with energy or passion. Well how could he when he tought he was just going to be an 3rd or 4th option with the Kings and that he would finally be on a winning team and lose his reputation as a loser. Well guess what now he is a loser again this time on the Kings team. Why would anyone bring energy or play with passion if the rest of your team,(mostly Bibby,Brad, and then bench) don't play defense and don't give their full effort. Trust me I've seen Shareef give his best effort out there every night and he seems that he wants to play defense and can play defense unlike Brad Miller and Mike Bibby who let defenders put season high numbers on them. Shareef is not the problem with the Kings losing its the rest of the players ( and I will say it again, BIBBY and Brad) who stop us from winning games by lack of defense. Oh yea and you could talk all you want about tonights game or the past 2 games on how the Kings are playing with full effort and winning but its not going to be like that for the whole season.
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You might be surprised to learn that the Kings have actually had 50 win seasons with both Bibby and Miller as integral parts.

I hardly think they are sorely to blame as you seem to be suggesting.
 
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KingsRNumba1 said:
abdur rahim doesn't play defense either
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Then who stopped Duncan and KG during this season. Its not Brad Miller because he was too busy making the Candi man look like Shaq. :rolleyes:
 
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Oh, good lord. Give it a bleeping rest. The name of the team is NOT the Sacramento Shareef. This team was really pretty darned good before SAR got here. I'd take Bibby and Brad in a HEARTBEAT over SAR. And I think you'd be heartbroken to find a vast majority of Kings fans feel the same way.
 
Bricklayer

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Kings241 said:
Then who stopped Duncan and KG during this season. Its not Brad Miller because he was too busy making the Candi man look like Shaq. :rolleyes:
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Still roughly as overrated as those Peja "stops" were a couple of years back. He stayed in front of them. That's solid. Then they missed. That's not him.

In any case, like Peja, that's not the issue. Defense is a TEAM game. Especially for your big men. I could probably score 20 against us. Just get into the lane and stick my tongue out at the incredible wusses masquerading as Kings big men as I layed it up. Then if I blew the layup, (which I'm prone to do) grab 6 or 7 straught offensive rebounds over those same wusses until Bonzi or some other guard came diving back to rescue our frontline from its interior patheticness.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Still roughly as overrated as those Peja "stops" were a couple of years back. He stayed in front of them. That's solid. Then they missed. That's not him.

In any case, like Peja, that's not the issue. Defense is a TEAM game. Especially for your big men. I could probably score 20 against us. Just get into the lane and stick my tongue out at the incredible wusses masquerading as Kings big men as I layed it up. Then if I blew the layup, (which I'm prone to do) grab 6 or 7 straught offensive rebounds over those same wusses until Bonzi or some other guard came diving back to rescue our frontline from its interior patheticness.
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So Shareef was expected to be a shot blocker? Because I still don't see why he would be a dissapointment. Shareef does what he told to do and that is stay in front of the player unlike Bibby and Brad Miller who let the players just fly by easily and score.
 
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VF21 said:
Oh, good lord. Give it a bleeping rest. The name of the team is NOT the Sacramento Shareef. This team was really pretty darned good before SAR got here. I'd take Bibby and Brad in a HEARTBEAT over SAR. And I think you'd be heartbroken to find a vast majority of Kings fans feel the same way.
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Well I think Bibby and Brad can learn a whole lot more on how to stay in front of a man and at least attempt to play defense. And If you dont know what I mean just read my post above. Defense starts with your PG and Center and those 2 players lack defense BIG time on our team.
 
Bricklayer

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Kings241 said:
So Shareef was expected to be a shot blocker? Because I still don't see why he would be a dissapointment. Shareef does what he told to do and that is stay in front of the player unlike Bibby and Brad Miller who let the players just fly by easily and score.
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If Reef is going to be a PF he is expected to shut down the lane and rebound. If he wants to wear a skirt (sorry ladies) then he needs to go back to SF while we find somebody that will.
 
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Kings241 said:
Well I think Bibby and Brad can learn a whole lot more on how to stay in front of a man and at least attempt to play defense. And If you dont know what I mean just read my post above. Defense starts with your PG and Center and those 2 players lack defense BIG time on our team.
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I've read your posts. I really choose not to read them a second time, thank you very much.

Brad and Mike have been part of playoff teams and have done very well together.

How many playoffs has SAR been to again?
 
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Bricklayer said:
If Reef is going to be a PF he is expected to shut down the lane and rebound. If he wants to wear a skirt (sorry ladies) then he needs to go back to SF while we find somebody that will.
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Whats your C supposed to do?
 
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Bricklayer said:
If Reef is going to be a PF he is expected to shut down the lane and rebound. If he wants to wear a skirt (sorry ladies) then he needs to go back to SF while we find somebody that will.
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I have a nice black velvet skirt that would probably look lovely with the gold lamé.

;)
 
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SacTownKid said:
Whats your C supposed to do?
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The same of course.

We're 0-2 up front, most good teams are 2-0.

But of course this thread is about the exusoids for Reef, not for Miller, who catches an appropriate level of flak for his own SFesque game.
 
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Kings241 said:
Well I think Bibby and Brad can learn a whole lot more on how to stay in front of a man and at least attempt to play defense.
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Maybe SAR could learn a little something from them about how to move the ball in the offense, instead of over overdribbling with his back to the basket then putting his head down and attempting spin moves into double teams.
 
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DirkAB said:
Maybe SAR could learn a little something from them about how to move the ball in the offense, instead of over overdribbling with his back to the basket then putting his head down and attempting spin moves into double teams.
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So why is his FG percentage the highest on our team? And Why does his passing numbers look very indentical to Chris Webber's? Please explain this to me because I must be missing out on the info. :eek:
 
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Kings241 said:
So why is his FG percentage the highest on our team? And Why does his passing numbers look very indentical to Chris Webber's? Please explain this to me because I must be missing out on the info. :eek:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA







Comparing Webber to SAR in passing....or even putting them on the same court. :)
 
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Well with the money that you pay Shareef and the results you get I dont think you can be upset with his performance. There are far more players on this team that you can get upset with the lack of efffort they play with and the salary that they make.
 
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Kings241 said:
Well with the money that you pay Shareef and the results you get I dont think you can be upset with his performance. There are far more players on this team that you can get upset with the lack of efffort they play with and the salary that they make.
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And we still would be better off with webber and we'd still have the same salary. It's THAT simple.
 
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BMiller52 said:
And we still would be better off with webber and we'd still have the same salary. It's THAT simple.
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Of course you would be better off with Webber but you still wouldn't be a championship contender or even a real playoff contender. It was a future descision for the Kings to get rid of Webber trying to add flexibilty to the roster plus salary and adding in role players that might contribute in other ways other trying to be a allstar. They tought that Bibby, Brad and peja will lead them to the way and be a leader but hasn't happened.
 
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While I agree with a lot of what VF and Brick have been posting, I will say this: tonight we saw the other side of the coin from the Boston and LAC wins--that jump shooting teams lose when they aren't hitting their shots.

We may have done worse because SAR wouldn't have rebounded as much as KT or done the dirty work, but it would have been nice to have someone to go to in the post tonight.
 
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LPKingsFan said:
While I agree with a lot of what VF and Brick have been posting, I will say this: tonight we saw the other side of the coin from the Boston and LAC wins--that jump shooting teams lose when they aren't hitting their shots.

We may have done worse because SAR wouldn't have rebounded as much as KT or done the dirty work, but it would have been nice to have someone to go to in the post tonight.
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Bibby, Martin, Bonzi, KT and Miller...

I could actually get excited seeing that lineup.
 
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Kings241 said:
Well with the money that you pay Shareef and the results you get I dont think you can be upset with his performance. There are far more players on this team that you can get upset with the lack of efffort they play with and the salary that they make.
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Let's see...last year, without SAR, we were a 50 win team and went to the playoffs. This year, with SAR, we're ... well, look for yourself.

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Hmmmm. Yep, you're right. I shouldn't be upset with his performance. I should be absolutely livid.
 
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VF21 said:
Let's see...last year, without SAR, we were a 50 win team and went to the playoffs. This year, with SAR, we're ... well, look for yourself.

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Hmmmm. Yep, you're right. I shouldn't be upset with his performance. I should be absolutely livid.
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Thats why I've been saying we need to get rid of this horrible system and fire Rick Adelaman!!! He is getting on my nerves. He doesn't use Shareef's skills down on the block as much as he should, I mean when a guy averages 16 ppg off of just 11 shot attempts per game and shoots over 50% you have to give him the ball more often and let him score in the post but what happens, instead you get RA's calls to move the ball and give it to Mike Bibby or Brad Miller to shoot the 17 ft jumpshot. Especially late in the games where we really need SAR. Bonzi and SAR are the best players on this team to build around because they dont rely on the jump shot to win games, just look back at the close games that we won like the one in Phoenix, Toronto, or even the one that we almost one at San Antonio.
 
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