Is Muss the man?

[CaminoChaos]

We all were disappointed in the season we had this year and most feel Mussleman was the reason. Alot people feel he didn't know how to use the peices we had. His full court defensive schemes didn't work due to the fact our starting back court couldn't guard a paralyzed turtle and our "run and gun" offense had players that are slow and don't up and down the court.

What if we did have a young, athletic defensive team (see my signature) I believe you could get the most out of those guys with full court pressure defense and run and gun style of play. Exactly what Muss wanted to do all year but couldn't due to personal. My point is basically could he be a better coach with more athletic and defensive players?

 

[VF21]

We all were disappointed in the season we had this year and most feel Mussleman was the reason. Alot people feel he didn't know how to use the peices we had. His full court defensive schemes didn't work due to the fact our starting back court couldn't guard a paralyzed turtle and our "run and gun" offense had players that are slow and don't up and down the court.

What if we did have a young, athletic defensive team (see my signature) I believe you could get the most out of those guys with full court pressure defense and run and gun style of play. Exactly what Muss wanted to do all year but couldn't due to personal. My point is basically could he be a better coach with more athletic and defensive players?

Depends on how you define better. My short answer is "no." From what I've seen, he would be much better suited to the assistant coach in charge of statistics than anything else.

He really doesn't have a clue about substitutions and at times appears to think we're playing ice hockey.

Players win, coaches lose. And we need to lose Eric Musselman ASAP.

 

[CaminoChaos]

Depends on how you define better. My short answer is "no." From what I've seen, he would be much better suited to the assistant coach in charge of statistics than anything else.

He really doesn't have a clue about substitutions and at times appears to think we're playing ice hockey.

Players win, coaches lose. And we need to lose Eric Musselman ASAP.

That was funny. I don't know why.

Thanks for setting me straight VF. I will go home and take my medication now.

 

[origkds]

Even with injuries and and all of the other distractions, this team should have easily played 500 ball. I believe they could have done just as well, or better, without any coach at all.

 

[fnordius]

Even with injuries and and all of the other distractions, this team should have easily played 500 ball. I believe they could have done just as well, or better, without any coach at all.

Really. We could just take a couple of the dancers and put 'em over by the bench, and tell them to cheer loudly when a King makes a good play. Let the players call a timeout when they need to slow the other team's momentum, or to plan their next play. That would probably be at least as effective as Muss' coaching.

 

[PurpleHaze]

April 19, 2007 conversation:

Joe Maloof to Geoff Petrie: "You know Geoff, we're all really disappointed, the fans who deserved better, our players who often seemed more confused than coached, and our family who was let down right from the very beginning with 'his' DUI, and then virtually straight downhill from there."

Gavin Maloof to Petrie: "Yeah, it was a damn bummer of a year. We had the fiasco with the new ARCO arena plan, me and my big face plastered all over a sloppy Carl's Jr. burger, Vegas NBA All-Star weekend degenerating into one big embarrassment, and lots of other BS dragging everyone in the organization down."

Geoff to Maloof brothers: "You mean you guys regret not re-signing a head coach who had brought 8 straight NBA playoff runs to a team that rarely had a winning record in the previous decade plus before 'he' arrived?

Maloofs in unison to Petrie: "Yep, we regret it."

Gavin to Petrie: "Now go out there and announce 'his' firing and that the search for a new coach has begun. No need to tell the media that 'he' won't be re-hired as coach, however."

Joe to Petrie: "But don't worry Geoff, we'll stay totally out of it this time - we promise. We won't be saying or doing anything in regards to roster moves, trades, the draft, new head coach, any of it that you'll need to get the Kings back on track, in the playoffs and shooting for an NBA title.

Gavin to Petrie: "We've always talked about bringing a championship to Sacramento, but with all of the set-backs this season who knows when that will ever be. With so little to count on at the moment, we'll be counting on you and only you... Geoff."

 

[Löwenherz]

The majority of the complaints from the players that seem to slip out subliminally through the media are two-fold:

1) They don't know their roles.

2) They just tune him out.

Both of those qualities are the exact opposite of what you want from a coach with a young, inexperienced team -- not unlike your "Kings of the Future" wishlist.

 

[Bricklayer]

Short answer to the title: NO.

As an aside, that proposed lineup to make a crappy coach happy would be hardpressed to do anything in this league, and the first time a team with a single player who knew what the inside of a weightroom looked like rolled into town, they would slow the game down and pound our collection of 90lb weaklings to dust. Which is of course what happens all the time in the playoffs anyway.

Its kind of like asking can Rick Pitino coach in the pros -- and the answer there was no either. If the only way you can coach is with a gimmick system and a gimmicky one dimensional crew of players, then you can't coach. If you consistently lose your teams, then you can't coach. If you can't adjsut or get the most out of your players, if they are all consistently underacheiving, then you can't coach.

I was willing to give Muss a chance when he arrived -- considered firing Adelman foolish, but Muss as a reasonable attempt at a replacement. Well, I've seen the replacement up close and personal, and his chance is gone. Not a single move, not one, should be made to satisfy the rather severe limitations of a little coach who has lost his entire career and just turned in the worst coaching perforamnce we've seen in these parts in a decade. Just say bye.

 

[Kingzrool]

No

Muss had his chance. Even though he is on a three year contract, he will be gone this offseason. That says it all.

 

[chelle]

My answer: NO.

Now the question becomes - "Who is the man for the job?"

 

[Larry89]

Muss is the man with no plan

 

[Kingsin07]

Muss is a midget......run him now and hire someone tall who knows how to win

If you can't look the point guard in the eye, you need not apply!

 

[Troy]

Muss is the man with no plan

He's argue with you on that one and then try to subject you to hours, even days of straight Power Point presentations and hours of lectures, then he'd throw in some homemade Kool Aid and ask you to reconsider giving him another chance!!!!

 

[Bricklayer]

Muss is a midget......run him now and hire someone tall who knows how to win

If you can't look the point guard in the eye, you need not apply!

Er...what?

Jeff Van Gundy would like to have a word. As would Mike Fratello. As would Coachie. And reigning coach of the year Avery Johnson. Heck, how tall was Red Auerbach? 6'0" might have been pressing it.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Reggie Theus for head coach of the Kings!

6'51/2" in his bare feet.

6'61/2" in his basketball sneakers.

Wasn't Adleman 6'2" and I think Petrie 6'4" as I recall from NBA player stats.

While were at it, how tall is Gavin Maloof? My guess would be 5'9" and around 40 lbs. overweight for his height.

 

[Löwenherz]

We're rating potential coaches by their height now?

If he sets up a fluid, unselfish offense, a nasty, hard-nosed defense and effectivly manages the bench, I don't care if freakin' Prince roams the Kings' courtside

 

[kingsfaninhumboldt]

Let me sum it up this way. No. Musselman is definitely not the man to coach the Kings next season. When he was named the coach, I thought he was a downgrade at coach from what the team had with Rick Adelman.

It was evident in the Cleveland game when the Kings were up 17 in the second quarter only to lose by 15 at the end of the game. I felt that was bad coaching on his part for that game. I can understand a two point loss as those games happen once in a while in an eighty-two game season. However to have a thirty-two point swing, that is bad coaching.

That game summed up my belief on Musselman. All I want this off season is to get rid of Musselman and improve at coach. If only the team waited last season, maybe Larry Brown could be in Sacramento? I don't know if Brown would have come to Sacramento if the job is available, just a thought.

 

[PurpleHaze]

If he sets up a fluid, unselfish offense, a nasty, hard-nosed defense and effectivly manages the bench, I don't care if freakin' Prince roams the Kings' courtside[/quote]

I agree, but I must say Prince looks sooo good in purple.

 

[fnordius]

If he sets up a fluid, unselfish offense, a nasty, hard-nosed defense and effectivly manages the bench, I don't care if freakin' Prince roams the Kings' courtside

Hey, at least Prince played basketball (supposedly very well), which you can't say about Muss. That's not a requirement for being a good or even a great coach, but it's gotta help your credibility with players, and that's obviously a huge problem right now.

Prince, at bottom right.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I actually do think he's a better coach than we've seen this year but that's neither here nor there. He's lost the confidence of the players, the owners and the fans so he's gone. Ultimately he may be best suited for college ball.

 

[Superman]

Short answer to the title: NO.

Long answer: Hell no.

 

[Superman]

April 19, 2007 conversation:

...

Joe to Petrie: "But don't worry Geoff, we'll stay totally out of it this time - we promise. We won't be saying or doing anything in regards to roster moves, trades, the draft, new head coach, any of it that you'll need to get the Kings back on track, in the playoffs and shooting for an NBA title.

Gavin to Petrie: "We've always talked about bringing a championship to Sacramento, but with all of the set-backs this season who knows when that will ever be. With so little to count on at the moment, we'll be counting on you and only you... Geoff."

I hope...

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I actually do think he's a better coach than we've seen this year but that's neither here nor there. He's lost the confidence of the players, the owners and the fans so he's gone. Ultimately he may be best suited for college ball.

I've been saying these exact things for awhile now. I was talking with a good friend of mine about it the other day and he said 'How can you judge him after only one year?' My response to that was...pretty much that he lost the respect and abilities to effectively coach this team a LONG time ago, and once that happened he became something less than a 'lame duck' coach. You can't re-gain certain things in this league once they're gone, and respect is a HUGE thing to lose in the NBA.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Long answer: Hell no.

No, the long answer would be:

[Ebonics]
Hell to the Naw!
[/Ebonics]

 

[Superman]

No, the long answer would be:

[Ebonics]
Hell to the Naw!
[/Ebonics]

That's that ATL coming out, eh?

 

[Cal-Kings]

Prince, at bottom right.

LOL! That's hysterical.

 

[Troy]

I've been saying these exact things for awhile now. I was talking with a good friend of mine about it the other day and he said 'How can you judge him after only one year?' My response to that was...pretty much that he lost the respect and abilities to effectively coach this team a LONG time ago, and once that happened he became something less than a 'lame duck' coach. You can't re-gain certain things in this league once they're gone, and respect is a HUGE thing to lose in the NBA.

Answer before I get into my essay on the subject:

NO , NADA, Nine, and any other language that mean no or negative!!!


Exactly, you could argue that he doesn't have the roster to be the defensive team that the "New Kings" are priding themselves of. That's why Muss was given a 3 year deal, because it will take that long to move the contract such as K9, Miller, and Bibby at the worst case of having them expire. Hopefully we can trade them before that. You can teach people all you want, but not everyone is going to become a adequate, let alone a good defender. Players like Bibby and Miller will never be good defenders and not all of the reason is their age, but also their lack of athletism and desire to do so.

The biggest problem with Muss is he got a DUI arrest before he coached the 1st game of the season and that coupled with being young and inexperienced, and constantly yelling at his players during the game, as well as being short and being a non NBA player, great BSer to even getting the starting coach gig, as well as skipping out on doing the punishment for his DUI has resulted in the players having ZERO respect for him and they just do whatever they want. That goes way beyond anything, you need respect from your players inorder to coach them. That is also something that once is lost is nearly impossible to gain so Muss really has very little to no chance of being the head coach next year, not just his record, but almost entirely that he cannot coach this group let alone any other NBA group of players so I really only see him as a College coach or NBA assistant coach along with other assistants. I believe he coached his way out of the NBA head coach position even before the season started here in Sacto.

 

[Kingster]

April 19, 2007 conversation:

Joe Maloof to Geoff Petrie: "You know Geoff, we're all really disappointed, the fans who deserved better, our players who often seemed more confused than coached, and our family who was let down right from the very beginning with 'his' DUI, and then virtually straight downhill from there."

Gavin Maloof to Petrie: "Yeah, it was a damn bummer of a year. We had the fiasco with the new ARCO arena plan, me and my big face plastered all over a sloppy Carl's Jr. burger, Vegas NBA All-Star weekend degenerating into one big embarrassment, and lots of other BS dragging everyone in the organization down."

Geoff to Maloof brothers: "You mean you guys regret not re-signing a head coach who had brought 8 straight NBA playoff runs to a team that rarely had a winning record in the previous decade plus before 'he' arrived?

Maloofs in unison to Petrie: "Yep, we regret it."

Gavin to Petrie: "Now go out there and announce 'his' firing and that the search for a new coach has begun. No need to tell the media that 'he' won't be re-hired as coach, however."

Joe to Petrie: "But don't worry Geoff, we'll stay totally out of it this time - we promise. We won't be saying or doing anything in regards to roster moves, trades, the draft, new head coach, any of it that you'll need to get the Kings back on track, in the playoffs and shooting for an NBA title.

Gavin to Petrie: "We've always talked about bringing a championship to Sacramento, but with all of the set-backs this season who knows when that will ever be. With so little to count on at the moment, we'll be counting on you and only you... Geoff."

You forgot something..........

Gavin to Petrie: "Well, Geoff, we know he (Muss) was your man, but we've got to go in another direction. The polls certainly indicate that.

Petrie, thinking to himself: Hmm, so Muss was my decision. And my decision didn't turn out to everyone's liking. If they (Maloofs) would have listened to my advice about not trading for Artest, none of this would ever have happened. I wouldn't be looking like a friggin idiot.

Gavin to Petrie: "Uhh Geoff, uhhhh, do you think we might get any offers on Artest?"

Petrie, thinking to himself: Oh, is now where I should tell them, "I told you so!" Don't they wonder just a little if this stupid Artest trade might have contributed to the failure of this coach? Once I knew Artest was on the team, the lead psychologist at Atescadero should have been the coach.

Petrie to Gavin: "I've been talking to a lot of teams, but there aren't any offers yet."

Petrie, thinking to himself: Should I tell Gavin that all I hear on the end of the line is laughing, uncontrollabe laughter. We're the laughing-stock of the NBA!"

Gavin to Petrie: "Well, keep working it, Geoff, and keep us aprised."

Gavin, thinking to himself: I wonder if Petrie still has what it takes?

Petrie nods.

Petrie, thinking to himself: Yeah, right. I wonder what's the next desperation move they ram down my throat!

 

[Ryle]

(see my signature)

If that is the starting 5 we have next year we won't win more than 10 games