Is a single player the Kings answer?

[whozit]

I wouldn't mind that at all. It would possibly take the Kings down near the tax threshold at ~$61 million. Unfortunatly, it would put the wolves at a little more than $58 million before their picks are added. It doesn't give them much flexibility. It would bite to have to pay the tax and not be that good.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd probably do this:

Sacramento outgoing:
Bibby
Thomas
Miller
Corliss

Incoming:
Garnett
Jaric
Blount

Yes I'd do that too to maintain fiscal viability and plug holes. But Blount's incredibly poor rebounding would be a huge concern. KG would be very alone in there on the glass pinned between Mark Blount -- 4.5rebs in 27.7min, 107th of 110 Cs in the league (barely edging John Edwards, Rebraca and Cliff Robinson -- and Reef -- 5.0rebs in 27.2min, 124th of 145 PFs. Garnett might have to average 15 for us.

 

[nbrans]

Yes I'd do that too to maintain fiscal viability and plug holes. But Blount's incredibly poor rebounding would be a huge concern. KG would be very alone in there on the glass pinned between Mark Blount -- 4.5rebs in 27.7min, 107th of 110 Cs in the league (barely edging John Edwards, Rebraca and Cliff Robinson -- and Reef -- 5.0rebs in 27.2min, 124th of 145 PFs. Garnett might have to average 15 for us.

Luckily we'd still have Bonzi, and I guess I'd just hope the benefit of having KG on the boards would outweigh the downgrade from Miller to Blount. I don't think we'd be a WORSE rebounding team, but that's not saying much. It would be an area of concern.

 

[Gary]

Replying to just the main poster yes, one player can make a difference.

I would rather have....

C-Potapenko (or Rookie Hilton Armstrong)
PF-Garnett
SF-Artest
SG-Martin
PG-Garcia (or Bobby Jackson if we signed)

Than our curent group.

Heck, Check this one out.

C-KG
PF-SAR
SF-Artest
SG-Martin
PG-BJax

Bench: Garcia can play some point, SG, and SF. We would have to then get a rebounding big guy. Maybe via the draft.
Now that is a nice team.

 

[BMiller52]

Replying to just the main poster yes, one player can make a difference.

I would rather have....

C-Potapenko (or Rookie Hilton Armstrong)
PF-Garnett
SF-Artest
SG-Martin
PG-Garcia (or Bobby Jackson if we signed)

Than our curent group.

Heck, Check this one out.

C-KG
PF-SAR
SF-Artest
SG-Martin
PG-BJax

Bench: Garcia can play some point, SG, and SF. We would have to then get a rebounding big guy. Maybe via the draft.
Now that is a nice team.

Where'd Bonzi go? You didn't go ahead and trade him AND Bibby AND Miller for Garnett did you?

 

[Gary]

Oh no, I didn't resign him. I feel Martin will be better for us down the road anyway.

 

[BMiller52]

Oh no, I didn't resign him. I feel Martin will be better for us down the road anyway.

But you're trying to win NOW. You either re-sign him or S&T him but you can't afford to lose all that talent for nothing.

 

[Merdiesel]

look at the Mavs when it was Nash and Dirk. 2 of the top 5 players in the league, and they couldn't win a championship.


and now look at em.

 

[VF21]

Madder than heck and on the verge of losing the NBA finals?

 

[Bricklayer]

look at the Mavs when it was Nash and Dirk. 2 of the top 5 players in the league, and they couldn't win a championship.


and now look at em.

Er...2 of the top 5 players? Not even 1 of the top 5 today. Let alone 2 of the top 5 3-4 years ago.

If you're using the Mavs as your example a better explanation for them taking the next step is their defense. And you may have noted that KG is just about the complete package, 6x All Defense first team, 1x All Defense 2nd team.

That's without even noting that if Ron and KG did nothing more than bring us back up too the level the Nash and Dirk Mavs did (oh darn, 2nd or 3rd roudn every year), we should be dancing in the streets given our current irrelevant gone fishing status.

 

[AriesMar27]

i got it.... granted we would lose bibby yet keep miller but... we get kg....

sac trades...
bibby
reef
corliss
vitaly
hart

sac gets....
kg
jwill

min trades....
kg

min gets...
bibby
walker

mia trade...
jwill
walker

mia gets...
reef
corliss
vitaly
hart

it sucks for minny but the kings get kg and a real point guard inreturn for bibby.... the heat lose walker and get a cheaper starting pf, a cheap defensive pg and 3 expiring contracts...

jwill
bonzi
artest
kg
miller

not bad at all... bibby is better than jwill but its better than starting hart....

 

[Gary]

But you're trying to win NOW. You either re-sign him or S&T him but you can't afford to lose all that talent for nothing.

I really don't think Wells is the answer. Like I said, I would want K-Mart over Wells starting at SG.

Now if we could get Wells for something like a 4 year 28mil contract than I would not mind him coming off the bench, but the spot is K-Marts after this year.

 

[VF21]

i got it.... granted we would lose bibby yet keep miller but... we get kg....

sac trades...
bibby
reef
corliss
vitaly
hart

sac gets....
kg
jwill

min trades....
kg

min gets...
bibby
walker

mia trade...
jwill
walker

mia gets...
reef
corliss
vitaly
hart

it sucks for minny but the kings get kg and a real point guard inreturn for bibby.... the heat lose walker and get a cheaper starting pf, a cheap defensive pg and 3 expiring contracts...

jwill
bonzi
artest
kg
miller

not bad at all... bibby is better than jwill but its better than starting hart....

Not bad at all? That is certainly a matter of opinion. There's no reason why either Minnesota or Miami would do this...

 

[Gary]

I like a trade with Miami, but not to get JWill back.

Maybe get a guy like Haslem who does not mind playing his ROLE Something that our current PF position player has a problem with. Maybe a 3 way with Minny, and Miami including a lot of the guys you had up there.

 

[Bricklayer]

I really don't think Wells is the answer. Like I said, I would want K-Mart over Wells starting at SG.

Now if we could get Wells for something like a 4 year 28mil contract than I would not mind him coming off the bench, but the spot is K-Marts after this year.

Guess you missed the playoffs this year huh?

 

[AriesMar27]

jwill is better than jaric or hart, or whomever we would get after trading bibby for kg..... with miami and dallas playing each other in the finals i doubt that they would be very hig on sending jwill to dallas and terry to the kings....

 

[BMiller52]

Er...2 of the top 5 players? Not even 1 of the top 5 today. Let alone 2 of the top 5 3-4 years ago.

If you're using the Mavs as your example a better explanation for them taking the next step is their defense. And you may have noted that KG is just about the complete package, 6x All Defense first team, 1x All Defense 2nd team.

That's without even noting that if Ron and KG did nothing more than bring us back up too the level the Nash and Dirk Mavs did (oh darn, 2nd or 3rd roudn every year), we should be dancing in the streets given our current irrelevant gone fishing status.

So you're saying Steve Nash isn't a top 5 player?

 

[ParniValjak]

So you're saying Steve Nash isn't a top 5 player?

He certainly wasn't at the time

 

[Bricklayer]

So you're saying Steve Nash isn't a top 5 player?

Yep.

And I've been a proponent of him winning both MVPs.

But is he better than LeBron? Wade? Kobe? KG? Duncan? A.I.? etc. No. Not really. He's not an all-time great. Just really good at making others better, and in the perfect system. Not even sure he's Top 10. With the MVPs would have to be Top 20 though. Somewhere amongst this huge stack of names: Paul Pierce, Jermaine O'Neal, Shaquille O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Elton Brand, Ray Allen, Ron Artest, Carmelo Anthony, Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudamire, Ben Wallace, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Vince Carter, Jason Kidd, Andrei Kirilenko, maybe soon Bosh, Yao, Howard etc.

And a few years back, he wasn't even in that pack. He was in the next one. Guys 25-50 or whatever. Good players, borderline All-Stars. Not KGs.

 

[Merdiesel]

Er...2 of the top 5 players? Not even 1 of the top 5 today. Let alone 2 of the top 5 3-4 years ago.

If you're using the Mavs as your example a better explanation for them taking the next step is their defense. And you may have noted that KG is just about the complete package, 6x All Defense first team, 1x All Defense 2nd team.

That's without even noting that if Ron and KG did nothing more than bring us back up too the level the Nash and Dirk Mavs did (oh darn, 2nd or 3rd roudn every year), we should be dancing in the streets given our current irrelevant gone fishing status.

yeah your right Steve Nash didnt win MVP the past 2 years in a row!??????
and do i have to say anything about Dirk?????


come on now, what league are you watching.


if you havn't noticed, Sac is trying to put together a contender, not just a team that can get to the second round.

 

[Bricklayer]

yeah your right Steve Nash didnt win MVP the past 2 years in a row!??????

come on now, what league are you watching.

The one where's Dirk's Top 10, not Top 5, and Nash might be Top 20. The league where Dirk might have been Top 10 and Nash Top 50 while they were mates. They call it the NBA, and its populated by a number of incredibly multi talented Hall of Famers. I've listed names to illustrate my point in the post above. You'll have a hard time arguing against them. Just as you'll have a pretty much impossible time trying to convince anyboidy that Dirk and Nash were better than Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, or A.I. in 02-03 or whatever.

 

[SacTownKid]

Top 5, top 10, it's all relative. Depends on what you are looking for, individual offense?, post skill?, defense?, athleticism?, over all skill?, too many variables to look at the game that way. Nash is a top 5 player while in the system he's in for sure. But as Brick said a lot of that is SYSTEM.

As for the trade, there is no way we could trade those players and get that in return.