Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
But maybe he would for a stud guard. After all, all the rumors are that Bosh wants to play with LeBron or Wade. And at the end of the day, the money is what talks the most.
But maybe he would for a stud guard. After all, all the rumors are that Bosh wants to play with LeBron or Wade. And at the end of the day, the money is what talks the most.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
So whats your point?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Thank you!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Mikan was better. So was my hero Bob Pettit..
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LWP777
Guest
Bajaden,
Stop bashing the posters who are critical of Kings players. That's great that you are a glass half full kind of guy and all but there are some of us that would rather just tell it how it is. To even remotely compare JT's career with that of Kevin McHale's is asinine to say the least. I guarantee you McHale didn't come close to doing the stupid things on the court in his first couple of years that JT consistently does. His numbers were probably similar to JT's in his first few years because he played with guys like Bird, Parish, and others so his role was greatly diminished. Like many others have pointed out, JT's upside it probably Drew Gooden at best.
Feel free to add me to your ignore list.
Stop bashing the posters who are critical of Kings players. That's great that you are a glass half full kind of guy and all but there are some of us that would rather just tell it how it is. To even remotely compare JT's career with that of Kevin McHale's is asinine to say the least. I guarantee you McHale didn't come close to doing the stupid things on the court in his first couple of years that JT consistently does. His numbers were probably similar to JT's in his first few years because he played with guys like Bird, Parish, and others so his role was greatly diminished. Like many others have pointed out, JT's upside it probably Drew Gooden at best.
Feel free to add me to your ignore list.
DeMoN
Bench
And i'll take Drew Gooden, well a more attractive one =] /gaydar
He's not comparing JT to McHale. JT entered the league as a 4-year college player, which not only makes him a bit older than a lot of the rookies in the NBA, but makes it harder to project his development. That's why comparisons have been made to older times, when players routinely stayed for 4 years.
Also, he is using McHale to show that players may blossom later in their careers. We are on the upswing of a rebuild, where it's OK to wait a year or two for players to mature/develop. No need to throw out JT/Hawes, etc., since we're not competing for a championship. That time will however, come soon, and if there fails to be an increase in production/maturity, then it would be time to look elsewhere, and I feel bajaden would agree on this point.
Chupacabra
Starter
I dont expect Thompson to become a star nor did I ever expect him to be. Theres nothing wrong with being a 15/10 guy.
Good point. Another question worth asking is if Thompson fills the need we have at the PF position, or could he potentially. At times, he shows the yin to Evan's yang. Other times, oy vey.
kennadog
Dog On It!
And who made you the moderator of what other people say on this board? Bajaden does not bash all negative comments. He's actually pretty patient and seems to respect most all points of view.
On the other hand, the first time I see AriesMar27 say anything good about the Kings, It will be the first time. And I mean good as in honestly meaning it rather than some backhanded compliment.
Any player on any team can be criticized at one time or another. But to write like all the Kings are scrubs all the time just isn't honest, remotely balanced or "telling it like it is." (Oops excuse, me I guess Evans and Martin may rise to the level of almost adequate according to Aries Except, of course, Evans is not a PG.)
I just don't find such utterly unbalanced points of views very helpful or enlightening. I'll give Aries points for consistency, though. Unerring and consistent bashing of just about everything Kings. Criticism is easy. Balanced analysis is much harder.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I don't think we will answer that question in one season of playing together. But JT needs to improve and I honestly think it has to start in his head. I think he lets his emotions rule him, instead of the other way around and it affects his game negatively. Seems like he gets frustrated and down on himself and it takes him out of the game or he gets overexcited and plays too fast and that ruins his game. He's got to find the calm in his game, if he wants to play better.
The long term answer to what? Thompson is on his way to being a 15/10 player, he mostly just needs maturity to work out the little things. If he doesn't get significantly better statistically, so what? If he doesn't become a "star," so what? We already have a star; we need players who can complement that star, and Thompson's game seems to complement Evans'. Who gives a damn if he doesn't become a star? As if 15/10 power forwards grow on trees, or some ****.
What we need is for Thompson to improve defensively, and develop maybe one reliable post move; everything else is just getting his head on straight. We don't need 22/12 out of this guy: at some point, expecting everybody in the starting lineup to be an All-Star is just ****ing avarice. People need to stop acting like having a roleplayer at the starting PF position is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Who the hell needs a Horace Grant, right? What's a player like that worth?
We need consistency from Thompson, not greatness, and there's no particular reason to believe that the former can't come with time. If 15/10 isn't the answer, what the **** is the question?
What we need is for Thompson to improve defensively, and develop maybe one reliable post move; everything else is just getting his head on straight. We don't need 22/12 out of this guy: at some point, expecting everybody in the starting lineup to be an All-Star is just ****ing avarice. People need to stop acting like having a roleplayer at the starting PF position is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Who the hell needs a Horace Grant, right? What's a player like that worth?
We need consistency from Thompson, not greatness, and there's no particular reason to believe that the former can't come with time. If 15/10 isn't the answer, what the **** is the question?
Larry89
Disgruntled Kings Fan
The long term answer to what? Thompson is on his way to being a 15/10 player, he mostly just needs maturity to work out the little things. If he doesn't get significantly better statistically, so what? If he doesn't become a "star," so what? We already have a star; we need players who can complement that star, and Thompson's game seems to complement Evans'. Who gives a damn if he doesn't become a star? As if 15/10 power forwards grow on trees, or some ****.
What we need is for Thompson to improve defensively, and develop maybe one reliable post move; everything else is just getting his head on straight. We don't need 22/12 out of this guy: at some point, expecting everybody in the starting lineup to be an All-Star is just ****ing avarice. People need to stop acting like having a roleplayer at the starting PF position is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Who the hell needs a Horace Grant, right? What's a player like that worth?
We need consistency from Thompson, not greatness, and there's no particular reason to believe that the former can't come with time. If 15/10 isn't the answer, what the **** is the question?
Who do we trade for Al Jefferson
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Who do we trade for Al Jefferson
Kevin Martin.
People have been complaining about how we need more front court depth and if we bring in Jefferson without giving up one of our young bigs, we'd have that depth covered.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Although there would still be potential defensive question marks.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
The long term answer to what? Thompson is on his way to being a 15/10 player, he mostly just needs maturity to work out the little things. If he doesn't get significantly better statistically, so what? If he doesn't become a "star," so what? We already have a star; we need players who can complement that star, and Thompson's game seems to complement Evans'. Who gives a damn if he doesn't become a star? As if 15/10 power forwards grow on trees, or some ****.
What we need is for Thompson to improve defensively, and develop maybe one reliable post move; everything else is just getting his head on straight. We don't need 22/12 out of this guy: at some point, expecting everybody in the starting lineup to be an All-Star is just ****ing avarice. People need to stop acting like having a roleplayer at the starting PF position is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Who the hell needs a Horace Grant, right? What's a player like that worth?
We need consistency from Thompson, not greatness, and there's no particular reason to believe that the former can't come with time. If 15/10 isn't the answer, what the **** is the question?
Completley agree. Keep surrounding Thompson and Hawes with star wing players (and maybe a little depth at PF/C), and those 2 become exactly what you need. Having a double double PF coupled with the likes of Evan, Martin, Casspi and Greene and it looks pretty good. We are not expecting Thompson to be Duncan, but the Horace Grant comparison is spot on.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Horace Grant comparison fails one one level, JT is not, nor will he ever be as good a defender as Horace Grant was. Thats the key here.
If JT was a Horace Grant then not many here would be complaining. Its not a matter of JT being an all-star (I have long claimed he won't be, and thats not a bad thing) but a matter of whether or not what he brings to the table is enough.
15/10 is great but we either need a major low post scorer (ie a star) or a defensive role playing big in the mould of Horace Grant. JT is neither and again thats not a bad thing. In ideal world he would be an excellent 3rd tall and first big off the bench who can play a bit of both positions.
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AriesMar27
Guest
Who do we trade for Al Jefferson
i like where your head's at.... i love martin but i wouldnt blink at trading him for jefferson. i just dont see thompson as a player that should be starting at pf.
slugking50
All-Star
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Yes, Grant was one of the better defensive PF's during his prime, and no JT is not at that level. But the guy is in his 2nd year, I am not going to completely write him off just yet. I think the point I was trying to make was that ideally it would be nice if he could turn into that type of a player, a double double guy who is solid defensively. And it looks like he has a ways to go to acheive the latter.
I agree with everything you say. I might also add that I think Jason thinks that just because he's not a rookie any more he deserves to get calls from the refs. What he needs to do is quit making stupid fouls, quit whining and pouting and making with the poor pitiful me looks instead of hustling back down the court when he doesn't get a call. What he needs to do is take some lessons from Brockman or he could end up on the bench where he can pout to May.
15/10 - is that 15 missed lay ups and 10 stripped ball turnovers? I admit that's a little harsh but 15/10 isn't the point, at least not for me. Don't throw him away but I'm unsure if his problems are very solvable. He is getting the chance and I'm sure will continue to. Let's hope for the best.
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AriesMar27
Guest
thats what irks me the most about thompson, he couldnt have asked for a better situation to succeed. he has no competition for minutes and he acts like he's on a leash... he reminds me of ariza when he first joined the lakers, i have no idea why he plays like this. he needs to slow down, but i dont think that he will... he'll be like sasha vujacic, everytime he's called for a foul he starts crying like a baby...
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'89 Kings Fan
Bench
Maybe it's a case that SAR is not the big man coach we need? I notice Jason trying more dribble drives and spin moves which are not his game. We tried to do the same with Sheldon Williams and that did not work either. Since we have had so many young bigs who don't seem to improve, maybe it is a coaching issue?
Can we hire Horace Grant as a coach?
Can we hire Horace Grant as a coach?
Well, Abdur-Rahim wasn't a big man, so that makes sense...
The role I envision JT playing for us is similar to what McDyess did for the pistons. I'm perfectly fine with him even in the starting line up, and I don't expect greatness or anything. What I do want is for him to hit his open shots more consistently, and stop turning the ball over so much, and that includes wasting easy layups
We all do... he's become a hyperactive turnover machine.
Gliesian
Bench
482% FG 14.4 ppg and 9 rpg
efficiency of +17.81
I don't care about his turnovers or decision making when we have a legitimate double team and he still gets that kind of efficiency. Only problem I have with him is that he argues every call (which he has toned down some), but lets keep in mind that some of those calls are indeed pretty bad.
efficiency of +17.81
I don't care about his turnovers or decision making when we have a legitimate double team and he still gets that kind of efficiency. Only problem I have with him is that he argues every call (which he has toned down some), but lets keep in mind that some of those calls are indeed pretty bad.
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