Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
What??? Actually letting a flower bloom? Are you crazy?!
What??? Actually letting a flower bloom? Are you crazy?!
SCKingsfan
Bench
well, okay, 23 is much too old these days - he's probably reached the top of his game
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AriesMar27
Guest
Pau Gasol is a Center, a group not included with the forward list on NBA.com.
Lamar Odom has also been playing in the NBA for about a decade longer than JT. When comparing players, it's probably a good idea to compare them at similar points in their careers.
Odom in 2nd Season:
37.2MPG/7.8RPG/5.2 APG/1.0SPG/1.6BPG/3.47TOPG/17.2PPG
JT in 2nd Season (so far):
35MPG/9.1RPG/2.2APG/.6SPG/1BPG/2.0TOPG/14.7PPG
People like to complain about JT being turnover happy but Odom was close to 3.5 per game. Odom's stats are better but at the same time, he was playing for the Clips who had a frontline that really does deserve the label of scrubs: Brian Skinner and Michael "I Like Kandi" Olowakandi with Cherokee Parksand Eric Piatkoski
in there as well. If your argument is that the lack of frontline help has padded JT's statline then shouldn't by the same logic, Odom have been doing much better statistically than he was?
Just for fun (by no means am I saying JT will become Bosh or anything similar)
Bosh in his second year:
37MPG/8.9RPG/1.9APG/.9SPG/1.4BPG/2.31TOPG/16.8PPG
pau gasol is not a center... he played center when bynum was hurt and plays back up center like thompson does. but he is not a center... he is a pf....
odom was high the entire time and still put up 17ppg... but he played for the clippers... the jerseys alone make you play worse than you should. he is a bonehead who turns the ball over and thats why i brought him up. he's also a tweener forward sf/pf type like antwan jamison or al harrington. thompson is a pf who is tall enough to play back up center for us because petrie doesnt want us to have any bigs...
odom rookie season
16.6/7.8/4.2 (2.1 off reb)
2nd season
17.2/7.7/5.2 (1.5 off reb)
thompson rookie season
11.1/7.4/1.1 (2.9 off reb)
2nd season
14.7/9.1/2.2 (3.5 off reb)
if i had to pick one i'd pick odom... he plays half assed more times than not and still puts up numbers, thompson tries his hardest and still isnt as good.
He cheats on defense all the time...
Gets called for moving screens like crazy, does stupid **** like holding the opponents jersey for a loose ball foul... stuff like that every night.
If thats not being lazy, hes just down right dumb.
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AriesMar27
Guest
Damn, that's messed up. It's true, all of it is true that Thompson is a blockhead but damn.... Lol.....
He hasn't held onto a jersey since Grant showed him the clip of him doing it. He's still learning proper techniques on defense. Moving screens? Yep but that's one out of three he does on a regular basis.
My biggest complaint about JT is that he seems to lose focus when we're ahead and gets ahead of himself. He doesn't wait to have the ball in his hands to start his drive inside...often resulting in ugly turnovers. And he has to constantly tell himself to get the ball to the point guard.
Those are fixable mistakes, though. He's not the proverbial box of rocks...yet.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Spot on. I've been thinking the same comparison myself.
Kings Fan Gerard
Bench
I ain't giving up JT just yet. He's a capable PF, averaging 15 and 10 in the NBA is no easy task regardless of what team you play for.
I just wish he learns to take care of the little things/intangibles and not lose focus easily.
I just wish he learns to take care of the little things/intangibles and not lose focus easily.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Kings Faithful
Starter
In my opinion, this is a fail thread... just like all the Spencer Hawes sucks threads. Nocioni sucks threads, fine. He should be smarter by now than to make alot of the plays that he does.
Gary
All-Star
He's a 4 year college 2nd year pro.. I guess since he's older people expect him to learn faster... He's OK with me but I don't think he's going to be more than what he is now. 14/9 is OK by me, but he needs to pick it up on D though.
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AriesMar27
Guest
I do admire your patience. Not much else, But hey, no one's perfect..
i just dont see it with thompson... he could be a good back up, because we know that he can get 15/10.... casspi could easily be a 20 ppg player... his rebounding has been nice as well...
thompson has the makings of a career scrub... like a taller udonis haslem...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Strangely enough, I think JT's problem is that he's too hard on himself. He'll make a mistake and then try and play harder to make up for it and end up making another one. He's an emotional player. The more you don't let the bad things bother you and the good things get you too high, the better off you are. There are players that play better when emotional, and others that don't. I think JT falls into the latter.
Right now he appears to have lost confidence. And in any sport, if you think bad things are going to happen, they probably will. He needs to believe in himself and fight through it. I don't expect him to be Karl Malone, but he's certainly capable of playing better than he has. Consistantcy is whats its all about. If 15 and 10 is your ceiling. Fine, but give me 15 and 10 every night.
Right now he appears to have lost confidence. And in any sport, if you think bad things are going to happen, they probably will. He needs to believe in himself and fight through it. I don't expect him to be Karl Malone, but he's certainly capable of playing better than he has. Consistantcy is whats its all about. If 15 and 10 is your ceiling. Fine, but give me 15 and 10 every night.
fighttodeath
Prospect
JT is serviceable big man but most likely will not be a superstar...we need to get another front line player that brings it...but this doesn't diminish his value as a back up to the team as long as he improves in some areas...like his footwork, low post moves, more patience around the basket, quit lowering his shoulder and charging into defense, increasing his ferocity with throw downs instead of weak flip backs, strength, etc...but the #1 thing he can change and control now is his negative attitude which is becoming quite obvious and a distraction when watching his painful 2nd year transgressions...when he gets pulled out early from games (which is often) he shuffles and drags his depressed self slow as snails over to the bench...if this were the NFL then we'd be getting tagged with too many men on the field penalties...afraid JT's psyching himself out with his negative energy and attitude...he needs to cut this mental negativity crap out and start getting it together before he plays himself onto the bench for majority of games. 
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AriesMar27
Guest
oh i agree and thats why i think he's a scrub... he sees brockman earning major minutes for doing the things that he and hawes wont do and he freaked out.... now he's in a slump. i have no problem with him being a 15/10 player, thats cool but he isnt a star or future star, never will be with his mentality. not even a fan favorite... he'll be a haslem type, he's consistent but he wont put you over the top.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Over the past 5-10 or so games, Thompson's problems have been three-fold: 1) he absolutely can't buy a mid-range shot at all; 2) it's really nothing new, but his turnovers have once again started to swell up again like a balloon, and 3) he's not getting to the line. He's still a major part of the offense, as he was earlier in the season, and his rebounds are holding relatively steady, and frankly he's even passing and controlling his fouls slightly better. As a result of the bricks from the perimeter and the turnovers, he's really lost confidence particularly offensively. Again, it should recover, but these sort of stretches where he looks clumsy are pretty much ingrained in his game.
The reason I'm so hard on Jason Thompson is purely because I know he can be really good if he could just get his mind right.
Can you imagine the type of player he could be If he would just calm the hell down in the paint, check his attitude on his idea of a missed call, and not try to do too much on offense?
Can you imagine the type of player he could be If he would just calm the hell down in the paint, check his attitude on his idea of a missed call, and not try to do too much on offense?
DesertFox
Starter
Wow, a 15 and 10 scrub. Despite all his shortcomings, bonehead mistakes, and foul problems, he produces the way he does. He's already an average starting PF, easy to forget how few good big men there are. One step away from being a borderline all-star player (which I expect), and another step from being an all-star level player (hopeful but not expecting).
After Evans, JT and Spence are the most important players on this team.
They decide whether this team will be annual contenders or just a playoff team.
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AriesMar27
Guest
thompson played 4 years of college ball and is in his 2nd year as a pro... if he had come to the nba after his freshman year he'd have just as much nba experience as garcia... if anything staying in college hurt him, he got comfortable playing against weaker opposition. we only have 3 big men... and now that brockman is getting minutes and rebounds thompsons game has fallen off the deep end.
in 2010 thompson is averaging 8/7 in 30 minutes of play.... 3 of his 7 rebounds are offensive and probably off his own missed shot. scrub....
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
8/7 are still not scrub numbers. I think you just have ridiculous expectations for everyone. You continuously put down 'Reke's accomplishments saying that you expected those types of stats from a rookie (despite his distinction of being one of four players to average his stat set in their rookie year) and now you're complaining because JT isn't playing like Chris Bosh.
As has been said before, JT is still in the middle of the pack of starting bigs in this league as a SECOND YEAR PLAYER. Some of the areas in which he struggles (full court kill a guy in the stands passes, I'm a point guard moments, dribble happy in the lane) are easily correctable and will hopefully decrease with experience. 8th in the league in rebounds doesn't seem like a stat that a "scrub" would have but what would I know, I'm not a Laker fan like you.
King Baller
All-Star
JT is a good NBA PF. He rebounds well, defends well, shots a nice J and has learned to drive with either hand. I think he still needs time for his NBA game to mature, he needs to slow down and learn to trust his hook shot more.
KB
KB
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AriesMar27
Guest
thompson is a scrub... just because you have low expectations doesnt make me a laker fan. ive been saying that thompson was a scrub the entire time... i spent the entire summer talking about how scrubtastic this team was for the most part. as a whole they are a bunch of middle of the pack players.... they would have to overachieve just to be average. if ending the season at .500 is out of reach for a team it means that they are scrubs. because 8th seed isnt really anything worth talking about unless you pull off some amazing upset, which is still hella overachieving...
TheFifthMookie
Bench
not bad company to keep really when its your 2nd year in the freaking league.
Big men take longer to develop, I can wait a few years to see what happens.
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LWP777
Guest
You're joking, right? The only thing you said there that is true is that he rebounds well. He absolutely does not defend well -- that is clear. I wouldn't ever call his jumper "nice." I would call it slightly below average. He drives with either hand? Maybe his Mercedes but certainly not on the basketball floor.
Slow down and trust his hook shot, yes I can buy that.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I would rather have young "middle-of-the-pack" players with a good chance of improvement than aging middle of the packers like the Great Mikki Moore, Shareef Abdur-Raheem with bionic knees, Anthony Peeler (We gave up GW for you, you jerk), Jason (No) Hart, and Brian Skinner to name a few.
And just for reference who would you rather have at the 4-spot than JT since you seem so keen on these things and since he's obviously a "scrub" who shouldn't be starting for an AAU team.
JT needs body control so he can put the defender at the disadvantage. Many players gather and go up, but JT normally gets called for the charge because he doesn't go straight up. He throws up flips around the basket instead of shots at the rim. As often as he gets inside, he should be drawing more fouls.
I also haven't seen him work from the high post lately. He's a face up guy and the offense has changed, and I don't see him in his best spots often. The fact he's been bricking his jumper hurts this phase of his game as well.
I also haven't seen him work from the high post lately. He's a face up guy and the offense has changed, and I don't see him in his best spots often. The fact he's been bricking his jumper hurts this phase of his game as well.
M_Barragan
Bench
This...
DeMoN
Bench
JT and Hawes have been rotating scapegoats all year. Personally, i would like JT to bulk up and focus mainly on defense, seeing as he already is a good rebounder. I'd rather have Hawes focus on offense for the reason he is a great passer and can shoot deep.
Once Martin comes back we barely will need offense from JT, and the D would REALLY help.
Once Martin comes back we barely will need offense from JT, and the D would REALLY help.
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