I'm calling it... we suck

[RS189]

I've accepted that we suck like a month ago and now am hoping for a good draft pick

 

[Jechtsphere]

Since we're playing this bad already and will not turn it around can we trade miller, artest, bibby and whoever else so we can ensure a lottery pick please.

Play just the young guys.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

wait wait i thought i called it

Yeah, you weren't exactly alone on that island, chief.

 

[most_casual_observer]

I do agree we suck right now. I also agree that the Chemistry isn't right with this team. Now I don't mean that they have problems with eachother, I'm just saying the pieces we have tried to put this puzzle together with don't fit quite right. It screwed the whole puzzle up.

On another note I will say that if we got evaluated as quickly and harshly at work as Musselman is getting evaluated by some members here, Many of us would be out of jobs.

Maybe VF21/Brick/Piksi/others would be kind enough to start a quarterly coaching evaluation thread? I don't think i'm knowledgeable enough to do it well, but here are some key performance factors to consider:

Ability to think on his feet?
Creative thinker or Cookie Cutting "Reactor"?
Inspirational leader?
Knowledge of the game?
Innovator able to keep opposition off-balance?
Chess Master?
Zen Master?
Checker Player?
Handles clip board with confidence?
Dresses for success?
Possesses the wisdom and intelligence to surround himself with people who are smarter than he is?
Game preparation appropriate and effective?
Track record of success?
Developer of talent?
Looks cool on the sideline?
Confidence builder or confidence destroyer?
Able to create, articulate and get buy-in for over arching goal?
Above the fray, or buried in it?
Conduct always in highest traditions of the organization?
Moving in the right direction?

More...?

It might be fun to try to give an objective assessment on key factors so we aren't unfair to Muss. Or maybe not

What is a good coach? Even the best of them don't win every game, although Phil came pretty close one time.

 

[Viking]

Yeah, you weren't exactly alone on that island, chief.

damn, now i've got to hide my coconuts, i knew someone was into them

 

[vfettke]

i still think the Maloofs should've hired Nellie. He WANTED to coach for us, and he's got a damn good record. and if we had him and we were still losing, at least he'd be kinda fun to watch

if Arco wants to keep the sellout streak alive they better start offering free beer.

 

[ezekielbear]

i still think the Maloofs should've hired Nellie. He WANTED to coach for us, and he's got a damn good record. and if we had him and we were still losing, at least he'd be kinda fun to watch

The thought of what our defense would look like under him makes my head bleed.

 

[Evenstar]

Musselman is losing with a team that can't play tough defensive basketball and still have offense. They collectively as a group don't have the physical capability. So, the losing is not all on him, the players can't do what he's asking them to. The same way the couldnt' defend and rebound when Adelman told them to, except for one year, when all the players were much younger.

Who care's if they are a dynasty. A great coach with a great team finds a way to win. As much as I hate to admit it:

Phil Jackson= Killer Instinct

Rick Adelman= No Killer Instinct

You can say he had better players, but there are David vs. Goliath stories all over sports over the course of history. The Kings competed with the best, and in the end could not get.

IF the Kings had gotten past the Lakers the year they went to 7 games in the WCF finals they would have swept the New Jersey Nets as the Lakers did.

Football is a game of inches.

Basketball is a game of seconds.

phil jackson= micheal jordan/scottie pippen and kobe/shaq

rick adelman= no jordan/pippen/kobe/shaq

as tired as i got of rick, there is no way to blame him for that WCF loss. the lakers got a lucky break when vlade swatted the ball to horry, the refs sucked in game 6, shaq hit his free throws/the kings forgot how to hit theirs in game 7. and yes we would have swept the nets, i agree

i wish we had rick right now i'll tell you that

 

[Wuster]

Hello my name is Wuster and I am a Kings fan and my team sucks.

 

[vfettke]

The thought of what our defense would look like under him makes my head bleed.

i disagree... watching our defense now should make your head bleed. Muss was hired because we wanted a team focused on defense, and we see how well that's gone. if they had hired Nellie, then at least we'd know there would be no defense

 

[Larry89]

Who would you rather have right now, Musselman or Adelman?

 

[Bricklayer]

Who would you rather have right now, Musselman or Adelman?

I think most would answer one way, but its also a moot point to a certain degree. The Muss questions are will he survive this season? Next? Will he get some help from the front office? And finally, even if he got a clue, is it already too late to regain the trust/support/belief from this group of players?

 

[vfettke]

i dunno if i'd rather have Adelman. Adelman would probably squeeze a better record out of our team, but we'd just be headed for another 1st round exit. if we had Adelman i think everyone would be looking at the Kings as a team that just needs a few big men to be a contender. but I think Muss makes it very obvious that that's not the case. he's done a great job of showing everyone what our problem areas are, and what we really need to do to improve our team(blow it up). we're also likely to get a higher draft pick with him.

i wonder how Muss would be doing if he had actual defensive players to work with. up until last April all our guys heard was "drive, shoot, score." now they're hearing "stop, steal, block" and its falling on deaf ears

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

i dunno if i'd rather have Adelman. Adelman would probably squeeze a better record out of our team, but we'd just be headed for another 1st round exit. if we had Adelman i think everyone would be looking at the Kings as a team that just needs a few big men to be a contender. but I think Muss makes it very obvious that that's not the case. he's done a great job of showing everyone what our problem areas are, and what we really need to do to improve our team(blow it up). we're also likely to get a higher draft pick with him.

i wonder how Muss would be doing if he had actual defensive players to work with. up until last April all our guys heard was "drive, shoot, score." now they're hearing "stop, steal, block" and its falling on deaf ears

You'd rather have Muss because he sucks more and is more likely to give us a better draft pick? Interesting logic

 

[vfettke]

You'd rather have Muss because he sucks more and is more likely to give us a better draft pick? Interesting logic

i think that with Adelman, our deficiencies wouldn't be as glaring. we'd still need some size but it wouldn't be so obvious. so we'd go and sign some free agent, or trade for someone that would really just patch the problem up, rather than fixing it.

for example... this last offseason, our way of putting some size in the middle was by signing Mo Freakin Taylor, Loren Woods, and some undrafted bigs. the rooks were cut. Williams got to come back, but we haven't seen him yet. Woods got cut. Taylor hasn't seen much time, and even got suspended for drugs. the guy plays and he looks exhausted after five minutes.

so yeah, i'd rather have Muss now, so that Petrie and the Maloofs see what a crap job they've done and decide to rebuild from scratch. having Muss shows how much we need some guys that can rebound and block shots. the only way our interior defense could be any worse is if there were a trampoline in the middle of the key

 

[diggining]

Well, I don't go to many games, but I'm going to the one tonight, so I'd appreciate a good win to snap the streak. We may not do well this year, but at least win this one!

 

[Kingzrool]

Should I change my username to Kingzdrool?

 

[Fusey]

Oh no! We suck again!

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Well, I don't go to many games, but I'm going to the one tonight, so I'd appreciate a good win to snap the streak. We may not do well this year, but at least win this one!

Sorry the team didnt show up for ya...oh well, at least you got to see one of the best nights in Corliss's career. No consolation I know, but oh well.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I think most would answer one way, but its also a moot point to a certain degree. The Muss questions are will he survive this season? Next? Will he get some help from the front office? And finally, even if he got a clue, is it already too late to regain the trust/support/belief from this group of players?

I say no...I think you have two or three pieces that you have to keep from this team, but other than that, I think you have to blow it up and start over again.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

Oh no! We suck again!

LOL. So fitting...

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

The more we suck the closer we are to being good again!

Couldn't have said THAT any better!

 

[diggining]

Circa_1985_Fan[/URL][/U]"] Sorry the team didnt show up for ya...oh well, at least you got to see one of the best nights in Corliss's career. No consolation I know, but oh well.

Thanks, circa_1985_fan. Ah well, it was a loss, but an exciting game nonetheless. I've never been the type of person who believes that only winning the game/championship is what matters--as far as I am concerned, winning the championship > going to the NBA finals > greater than going into 2nd round > greater than not making playoffs, and winning by a lot > close win > close loss > getting blown out. That's my utility scale. So it wasn't all bad.

PS I have sat in the cheapest as well as the more expensive tickets at Arco, and I have always felt that the atmosphere is better in the upper level. Also, a bigger slope, so the head in front of you is not as much of a problem (when everyone's standing, of course ).

 

[Geoff]

Absolutely. And that will take the type of players we always wanted, and never quite got. Consistant players. Consistant day in and day out. Tough players. Players that are capable mentally AND physically of playing good defense. Players that will bang and rebound. Players with grit and ego's that aren't inflated to big to fit in an arena. AND, a coach with a Killer instinct with Rick Adelman never had.

Musselman sure ain't that coach. It would be one thing if they had fired Adelman because they had a coach in mind; it's another because they let him go and THEN started to cast a net. That was a foolish move.