vedder=truth
Prospect
.. would you trade him for a big man?
If the Kings end up with John Wall..
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FakeInjury
Bench
No, Wall has a stock that is projected to rise significantly throughout his early career that is why he is the 1st pick. You definitely take him with the #1 pick, unless Wall comes out with a public statement saying he won't play well for sacramento, then you are looking at a bad situation where you might have to trade.
Probably not. I might consider it if we were offered the rights to Cousins + something of value.
I think there is a possibility that Wall could fit with Evans though. Offensively, Wall needs to continue to work on his outside shot. He has shown a lot of promise in that area however, and I think he will develop into a very good outside shooter who also has the ability to beat his man off the dribble. Then you add in the clutch factor, which would give us two guards who can come up big at the end of games.
The part of his game that gets overlooked sometimes is his intensity on the defensive side of the ball. A lot of college stars are content to devote their energies on offense, but Wall is a very intense defender. That is why he should be an even better pro than a guy he often gets compared to in Rose. With he and Tyreke, you have the complete package to defend just about any team's guards. When you go up against quicker PGs you can lock them down with Wall, and when you go against stronger PG/SGs Tyreke can lock them down.
It is possible having two guys that will want the ball could cause some issues if we were to draft Wall or Turner, but no one should take it as a given.
I think there is a possibility that Wall could fit with Evans though. Offensively, Wall needs to continue to work on his outside shot. He has shown a lot of promise in that area however, and I think he will develop into a very good outside shooter who also has the ability to beat his man off the dribble. Then you add in the clutch factor, which would give us two guards who can come up big at the end of games.
The part of his game that gets overlooked sometimes is his intensity on the defensive side of the ball. A lot of college stars are content to devote their energies on offense, but Wall is a very intense defender. That is why he should be an even better pro than a guy he often gets compared to in Rose. With he and Tyreke, you have the complete package to defend just about any team's guards. When you go up against quicker PGs you can lock them down with Wall, and when you go against stronger PG/SGs Tyreke can lock them down.
It is possible having two guys that will want the ball could cause some issues if we were to draft Wall or Turner, but no one should take it as a given.
If we could get Cousins or Favors + 3 future first round picks, hell yes I'd move the pick. Same if the deal is Cousins/Favors + an established big that is already better than those we have and can provide immediate impact. Super hell yeah if either deal gets Noc out of town.
What makes you think we could get a 3/4 this year AND three future first rounders for Wall alone? Seems a high price.
I mean, if we got #1, I'd love to send Wall and Thompson to New Jersey for Lopez and their pick, but I don't think they'd do that.
Jechtsphere
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How about number 1 to the wolves for their pick plus the rights to Rubio, we could throw in another player if we had to and we could come out of it with Rubio and Cousins/Favors.
That was the price of Webber for Penny. I believe it was done once or twice more in the 90s, I could be wrong. But there is precedent, even if it is from 20 years ago.
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LWP777
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Why would the Nets ever want to move Lopez? He's all they really have right now. Trading him for Wall doesn't really get them anywhere.
If Wall is as good as he's supposed to be then I think the Nets make the trade as long as they get a serviceable big back.
91sickness
Bench
Agreed. I would also have no problem with us giving the #1 pick and Hawes for their pick and Lopez. The only way i think this works is if they have the luck we had last year and end up at either 3 or 4. I dont think they would give up Lopez to move up from 2 to 1. Turner, Harris and Lopez is a very solid young core to build around. If i were them i would rather have that trio than Wall, Harris and Hawes. If we are picking @ either 3 or 4 we could still land Favors or Cousins and have Lopez. Tyreke, Favors/Cousins and Lopez would an amazing upgrade over Hawes/JT or Landry.
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One and Done
Bench
As far as my basketball knowledge goes back, I've learned that you never, ever trade a #1 pick.
- What if Tyreke blows out his knee and doesnt' develop a jumpshot and/or better passing skills?
- What if, magically, Tyreke and Wall learn to coexist and synergize?
- At the very least, why trade the better of the two down the road?
We can all guess the chemistry between the two will be pretty bad, but with history as a guide, never, ever trade the #1 pick...
- What if Tyreke blows out his knee and doesnt' develop a jumpshot and/or better passing skills?
- What if, magically, Tyreke and Wall learn to coexist and synergize?
- At the very least, why trade the better of the two down the road?
We can all guess the chemistry between the two will be pretty bad, but with history as a guide, never, ever trade the #1 pick...
Really? I'm not sure history really bears that out. Everyone wants the top pick when its Duncan or LeBron. Wall is a consensus #1 but I don't think he's a one man franchise. There's a lot of consensus #1 picks that didn't pan out or that were bested by the 2, 3 or 4 picks, and that is before you go with the ones that were just bad picks.
Here's #1 since 1980
Joe Barry Carroll - most lopsided trade in history? GSW moved up, traded Robert Parish + #3 pick (K McHale)
Mark Aguirre - Isiah Thomas(2) (still a good pick)
James Worthy
Ralph Sampson
Akeem Olajuwon - MJ (3) (people always bring up Bowie since Houston had success with Olajuwon)
Patrick Ewing
Brad Daugherty - best pick in weak draft (Bias #2, Washburn, Tarpley)
David Robinson
Danny Manning - Mitch Richmond (5), Ric Smits (2), Hersey Hawkins (6), Dan Majerle (14), Rod Strickland (190)
Pervis Ellison - Sean Elliot (3), Glenn Rice (4), Tim Hardaway (14)
Derrick Coleman - Gary Payton (2)
Larry Johnson - Dikembe Mutombo (4)
Shaq
Webb - traded for Penny + 3 future first rounders
Glenn Robinson - Jason Kidd (2), Grant Hill (3), Juwan Howard (5), Eddie Jones (10)
Joe Smith - Antonio McDyess (2), Jerry Stackhouse (3), Rasheed Wallace (4), KG (5), Theo Ratliff (18), Michael Finley (21)
Allen Iverson - best pick but this draft also gave us Marcus Camby, Peja, Steve Nash and Kobe MF Bryant
Tim Duncan
Michael Olowokandi - Bibby (2), Vince Carter (5), Antawn Jamison (4), Dirk Nowitzki (9), Paul Pierce (10), J-Will (7)
Elton Brand - good could have had Baron Davis (3) also Rip Hamilton (7), Shawn Marion (9), Ron Artest (16)
Kenyon Martin
Kwame Brown - Tyson Chandler (2), Pau Gasol (3) Joe Johnson (10)
Yao Ming
LBJ
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bogut - Deron Williams (3), Chris Paul (4)
Andrea Bargnani - LaMarcus Aldridge (2), B Roy (6), Rondo (21)
Greg Oden - too early, but Durant (2)
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin - too early - Evans, Curry, Jennings
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I don't know, that's a long way back to look for precedent. Looking at the list of #1s, I'm not sure any of the picks after Webber were traded around draft time.
Still, I think the best way to think about it is to turn it around. If we get #4, would you trade that plus three future firsts for #1? I wouldn't.
Nighthawk1
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We're overpaying... Devin Harris doesn't belong in Sac-Town. Only thing Nets have that we should want is Lopez.
Trading John Wall, who has superstar written all over him is more than enough for Lopez. Infact I'd argue Nets would still have to sweeten the pot for a Lopez for Wall swap.
To be clear, it would be Lopez plus Cousins/Favors for Wall (though we'd probably throw in Thompson or Hawes as both would be expendable at that point).
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Arco Arena
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Actually most of the consensus #1 picks in that list (as far as I can remember off the top of my head) HAVE panned out.
I added other notable players in many of those drafts, even in ones that produced a top player at #1 there were quite a few that also produce top talent in the next few picks.
Nighthawk1
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That would be acceptable, but the trade I responded to was
Harris + Lopez + Their Pick for JT + Greene + Wall. We lose out on that trade.
Sorry, didn't realize that poster didn't have the NJ pick in the deal since everybody else did. I'd rather have Cousins/Favors than Harris and no way in hell would you toss Greene in in either scenario.
Dreadnought
Bench
Why are we so sold that Wall and Tyreke don't work out well together? Can you imagine if they do? That is possibly the best future backcourt in the NBA. I personally am a big fan of Wall, and I believe the hype.
hammystyle
Starter
Take Devin Harris out of it and they have still sweetened the pot tremendously.
I agree that John Wall > Brook Lopez, but Derrick Favors > JT +Donte.
And in the Nets position I think overall: Lopez + Favors > Wall + JT + Donte.
Because if I was the Nets, one way I might be luring LeBron is with the idea that I can lure Bosh away from Toronto in a S&T with Favors or whoever they take.
This isn't about Wall not working with Tyreke as much as it is the potential to have the best front court in the league paired with Evans.
hammystyle
Starter
Let's call the player Favors...you wouldn't trade Wall, JT, and Greene for Lopez and Favors? That's a no-doubter.
venom_7
Starter
You take Wall, and you try your luck in FA. I don't know why this is even a question. Maybe Amare wants to come to Sac. Maybe David Lee. Who knows?
You have:
Wall/Evans/Udrih/Cisco
Donte/Casspi/Noce
Amare(or Lee)/Thompson/Landry/Hawes/Brockman
contenders typically have a stud guard and a stud big man and solid role players surrounding them. Two stud guards wouldnt do much regardless of how good they are. And to say that we can get big men in FA like Amare, well, you dont really need stars at every position. Lopez would be the inside go to guy while tyreke the main guard.
I just think a lineup of
Tyreke
Beno
Lopez
Landry
Casspi
has all the elements of success and plenty of talent. If you get the chance to do this you make it happen. Personally i think the above lineup as a whole would be better than
Tyreke
Wall
Hawes/cousins
Amare
Donte
even tho this one has more talent
I just think a lineup of
Tyreke
Beno
Lopez
Landry
Casspi
has all the elements of success and plenty of talent. If you get the chance to do this you make it happen. Personally i think the above lineup as a whole would be better than
Tyreke
Wall
Hawes/cousins
Amare
Donte
even tho this one has more talent
beb0p
Starter
I wouldn't. Wall has the talent to be the best PG of his generation.
As much as I like Favors and Lopez (and I like them a lot) they don't have the talent to be the best PF/C of their generation. They're not on Wall's level.
In effect, you're trading away one of the best in the game for two very good players. Plus, you also throw in JT and Greene, that's a bad trade for us.
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