Sparky6string
Bench
For me it's Wesley Johnson.
My top 3 in order are :
1) Cousins
2) Johnson
3) Aldrich
My top 3 in order are :
1) Cousins
2) Johnson
3) Aldrich
If the draft is today and Cousins is gone- your pick at #5
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stevetaebo
Bench
Greg Monroe or Ed Davis. . No Johnson, I want to see what we have in Donte and Omri. Donte has shown enough improvement to see him compete for the 3 spot next year.
Due to the public weight/laziness issues, I think Demarcus is gonna fall to 7-10. He needs a KG vet to slap him when he goes stray. I'd hate to see him go Jamarcus Russell on us.
Due to the public weight/laziness issues, I think Demarcus is gonna fall to 7-10. He needs a KG vet to slap him when he goes stray. I'd hate to see him go Jamarcus Russell on us.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I agree. If Petrie thinks Johnson can play SG, then we take Johnson. My first choice is still Cousins.
TTown Kings
Bench
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Johnson. size, athleticism, shooting touch, rebounding and defense... all with a positive attitude.
If he starts at SG that gives you excellent size and defense at 3 positions.
Evans
Johnson
Greene
Landry
Thompson
Add a Defensive minded big with the second rounder and upgrade the PF in the next 2 years and you have a pretty solid foundation.
If he starts at SG that gives you excellent size and defense at 3 positions.
Evans
Johnson
Greene
Landry
Thompson
Add a Defensive minded big with the second rounder and upgrade the PF in the next 2 years and you have a pretty solid foundation.
91sickness
Bench
Cousins, Johnson, Monroe.
We need a big defensive "lane glogger" to guard the Bynums, Gasols (both), Lopezs and Dwights of the leagues. Haws will get muscled arounded by all of those guys every single night. I know Wes doesnt fit that description but he offers too much potential to pass up.
We need a big defensive "lane glogger" to guard the Bynums, Gasols (both), Lopezs and Dwights of the leagues. Haws will get muscled arounded by all of those guys every single night. I know Wes doesnt fit that description but he offers too much potential to pass up.
The thing I see in Johnson is the PERFECT backcourt mate to 'Reke(If he can really handle the 2 guard position - I'm still unsettled on this, but think he can.)
His game needs a creator like Tyreke to be maximized. I see him sitting out on the wing and letting Tyreke get into the lane and kicking it out to WJ when he's stopped. If he continues on to the rack, then I can just see WJ falling his man on help defense to the rim, and getting monstrous put-backs from the weak-side on those rare occassions when Tyreke puts it up and misses without being fouled.
They're really a match made in heaven IMO. I see them as very complementary pieces to our roster. Much is made of Wesley's ball-handling skills, but I think they're actually quite underrated and that he potentially could play the two and give us a VERY tall line-up at each position.
Heck if we got someone like Jerome Jordan at #33 we could be rolling with a MASSIVE line-up of:
PG: Evans 6'6
SG: Johnson 6'7.5
SF: Greene 6'10
PF: Thompson 6'11
C: Jordan 7'1
Even with Hawes in at 7'0 that's still a very tall line-up.
His game needs a creator like Tyreke to be maximized. I see him sitting out on the wing and letting Tyreke get into the lane and kicking it out to WJ when he's stopped. If he continues on to the rack, then I can just see WJ falling his man on help defense to the rim, and getting monstrous put-backs from the weak-side on those rare occassions when Tyreke puts it up and misses without being fouled.
They're really a match made in heaven IMO. I see them as very complementary pieces to our roster. Much is made of Wesley's ball-handling skills, but I think they're actually quite underrated and that he potentially could play the two and give us a VERY tall line-up at each position.
Heck if we got someone like Jerome Jordan at #33 we could be rolling with a MASSIVE line-up of:
PG: Evans 6'6
SG: Johnson 6'7.5
SF: Greene 6'10
PF: Thompson 6'11
C: Jordan 7'1
Even with Hawes in at 7'0 that's still a very tall line-up.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
I would try like a Madman to trade down.
If we couldnt do that, I take Johnson .. and an outsiders chance to Davis if he impresses big time in workouts.
If we couldnt do that, I take Johnson .. and an outsiders chance to Davis if he impresses big time in workouts.
91sickness
Bench
I personally ABSOLUTELY do NOT want us to trade down. This team needs elite talent not more role players. High quality players are this teams biggest teams regardless of position. I know we could land a gem late in the draft but id rather we not take that risk and just take wes johnson and figure the rest out later.
Just out of curiosity what are your pros for trading down? I have seen multiple people say we need to trade down but still dont get why. I am not trying to attack you just want to hear the other side of the coin....
Anthony1
Bench
1. W.Johnson
2. Trade down
3. A. Aminu
4. Trade down
5. Trade down
Honestly, other than Wesley Johnson and Al-Farouq Aminu, there isn't anybody else worth selecting at 5th overall (if the expected top 4 players are gone). Taking Monroe or any of the other possibilities doesn't make any sense to me without trading down a few slots. My first preference, would be to get Wesley Johnson. Sure, he's another SF to join our already existing logjam at that position, but you gotta take superstars when they are staring you in the face. What if Johnson is the second coming of "The Matrix" ? I know it's unlikely that he would be THAT good, but still, you just never know. Dude might end up being almost as good.
If we don't take Johnson, then I think the best strategy is to find a trading partner. Ideally, I think trading down to the 9th or 10th spot would be the best possible move, but what would the Jazz or Pacers offer us in compensation to move up that many spots to snag Johnson?
If the Kings just aren't interested in Johnson, and they can't find a willing trade partner that makes sense, then I guess I would go Aminu.
GREG MONROE IS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE FREAKING QUESTION.... PETRIE DON'T DO IT! PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, DON'T DO IT!
2. Trade down
3. A. Aminu
4. Trade down
5. Trade down
Honestly, other than Wesley Johnson and Al-Farouq Aminu, there isn't anybody else worth selecting at 5th overall (if the expected top 4 players are gone). Taking Monroe or any of the other possibilities doesn't make any sense to me without trading down a few slots. My first preference, would be to get Wesley Johnson. Sure, he's another SF to join our already existing logjam at that position, but you gotta take superstars when they are staring you in the face. What if Johnson is the second coming of "The Matrix" ? I know it's unlikely that he would be THAT good, but still, you just never know. Dude might end up being almost as good.
If we don't take Johnson, then I think the best strategy is to find a trading partner. Ideally, I think trading down to the 9th or 10th spot would be the best possible move, but what would the Jazz or Pacers offer us in compensation to move up that many spots to snag Johnson?
If the Kings just aren't interested in Johnson, and they can't find a willing trade partner that makes sense, then I guess I would go Aminu.
GREG MONROE IS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE FREAKING QUESTION.... PETRIE DON'T DO IT! PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, DON'T DO IT!
Starting Five
Bench
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
If Cousins is gone, than I would pick Johnson and play him at the 2. If not Johnson, Udon would be my next choice. I knoe a lot people aren't real high on Udoh, but I he has star written all over him considering the way he plays both sides of the ball, and is pretty versatile on offense.
Back to Johnson, I don't see any reason he can't play sg. He'll be fine guarding other sg's. He shoud be a least an average rebounder as far as sg's go, but I see him being above average there. Outside shooting is his strength, and I don't see him having a problem getting to the hoop. One concern is his ballhandling, but I think thats gotten blown out of proportion. I don't see him creating much off the dribble for others, but I also don't think that is needed. He should be fine bringing the ball up the court and setting up the offense. He has played pg before.
Tyreke can already get into the paint whenever he wants. He still has a ways to go in reading defenses though, and knowing where the best shot will be, and getting that person the ball. As he continues to get better at that, he would be getting Johnson a lot of good shots. I would not have any problem with a Tyreke/Johnson backcourt next season.
But I'd still rather have Cousins at center.
Back to Johnson, I don't see any reason he can't play sg. He'll be fine guarding other sg's. He shoud be a least an average rebounder as far as sg's go, but I see him being above average there. Outside shooting is his strength, and I don't see him having a problem getting to the hoop. One concern is his ballhandling, but I think thats gotten blown out of proportion. I don't see him creating much off the dribble for others, but I also don't think that is needed. He should be fine bringing the ball up the court and setting up the offense. He has played pg before.
Tyreke can already get into the paint whenever he wants. He still has a ways to go in reading defenses though, and knowing where the best shot will be, and getting that person the ball. As he continues to get better at that, he would be getting Johnson a lot of good shots. I would not have any problem with a Tyreke/Johnson backcourt next season.
But I'd still rather have Cousins at center.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
No trading down please.
1. Cousins
2. Johnson
3. Whiteside / Udoh / Davis / Monroe / Aldrich
5 is way too high for Whiteside, but if both Cousins and Johnson were gone (they won't be) I'd be tempted to just go for a home run with Whiteside. His attitude doesn't look bad in his interview, I think he's just a little immature. He doesn't look physically developed. Besides, when is the last time a guy with his size, length and athleticism was useless in the NBA? He definitely needs to get alot bulkier, but at the very least you will have a guy who can block and change shots in the lane, throw down some pretty dunks, and give a presence. Exactly what we need.
1. Cousins
2. Johnson
3. Whiteside / Udoh / Davis / Monroe / Aldrich
5 is way too high for Whiteside, but if both Cousins and Johnson were gone (they won't be) I'd be tempted to just go for a home run with Whiteside. His attitude doesn't look bad in his interview, I think he's just a little immature. He doesn't look physically developed. Besides, when is the last time a guy with his size, length and athleticism was useless in the NBA? He definitely needs to get alot bulkier, but at the very least you will have a guy who can block and change shots in the lane, throw down some pretty dunks, and give a presence. Exactly what we need.
I would be very disappointed if Cousins is gone comes pick #5. I am hoping GMs picking at #1 thru #4 will be dumb enough to listen to those red flags regarding Cousins.
I hope Petrie drafts at #33 the shot-blocking player ( Varnado ) or a defensive BIG to make-up/cover the deficiency in talent of whoever we are drafting at #5 - if Cousins is gone.
1.) Cole Aldrich
2.) Greg Monroe
3.) Wesley Johnson
I hope Petrie drafts at #33 the shot-blocking player ( Varnado ) or a defensive BIG to make-up/cover the deficiency in talent of whoever we are drafting at #5 - if Cousins is gone.
1.) Cole Aldrich
2.) Greg Monroe
3.) Wesley Johnson
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Kingster
Hall of Famer
Have you ever looked at the menu and nothing looked good? And the longer you looked, the worse it looked? How come #5 seems so unappealing? Out of all the unappetizing choices, I'd take Udoh. He'll make the biggest difference on the defensive end of the floor, he doesn't have red flags, we know the position he'll play, and he's not soft.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
I agree that we need elite talent, but I seriously question if Johnson is that guy. Will he ever be an all star? Im leaning towards no.
In fact, if you consider Johnsons position as a SF ( I think everyone would agree thats his primary spot ) .. Im not even sure that if we draft him, he'd be the best prospect on our team at that position. Donte Greene is taller and younger .. they can both shoot, both defend .. I think Johnson is a better player right now, but he is a year or so older. And dont forget Casspi had a pretty good rookie season too.
Trading down can help us in a lot of ways. I think there is a big group of players, from picks 5 to around 20 were the talent level is pretty close. If we did trade down we could acquire another pick, rid ourself of the Nocioni contract .. get a future first .. its impossible to predict what trading down would be worth right now, but I hope we explore that option if Cousins is gone.
Here is what I mean .. if we traded down and accomplished something, I'd be happy with one of these guys .. especially one of the bigs.
Aldrich
Monroe
Udoh
Alabi
Bradley
Richards
George
Henry
Davis
Aminu
Whiteside
Bledsoe
Babbit
Patterson
kingsnation
All-Star
1. Udoh
2. Johnson
3. Monroe
4. Aminu
NO ALDRICH.
2. Johnson
3. Monroe
4. Aminu
NO ALDRICH.
TTown Kings
Bench
This is spot on. We should only be considering Johnson if he can play the 2...
I think Johnson CAN play the 2 and he would be my pick if Cousins is gone.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Leaving aside the defensive end of the floor, how would you compare Johnson's offensive game to Kevin Martin's offensive game?
ElRey
Starter
hammystyle
Starter
There are only two guys for me
1) Monroe - The measurements answered the questions I had about him. He's 6'11 250 lb as a 19 year old. He will play center in the NBA and will be a good one. I don't know where the Brad Miller comparisons come from. He's closer to Vlade Divac or Pau Gasol. He's a legit back to the basket scorer who can pass. He's even a good defender.
2) Johnson - I was not a huge fan of him at our spot for a long time. Not that he's not good, I just wondered about the upside coming out as a 23 year old. Than I learned more about his story as a late blooming high school player who's college career was disjointed by a transfer. He seems extremely polished and driven in his interviews. Could be a star.
1) Monroe - The measurements answered the questions I had about him. He's 6'11 250 lb as a 19 year old. He will play center in the NBA and will be a good one. I don't know where the Brad Miller comparisons come from. He's closer to Vlade Divac or Pau Gasol. He's a legit back to the basket scorer who can pass. He's even a good defender.
2) Johnson - I was not a huge fan of him at our spot for a long time. Not that he's not good, I just wondered about the upside coming out as a 23 year old. Than I learned more about his story as a late blooming high school player who's college career was disjointed by a transfer. He seems extremely polished and driven in his interviews. Could be a star.
If Johnson shows he can handle the 2 in the workout, I take him.
Next I would take Aldrich. Our biggest need is a big that can hold his position and rebound.
After that Udoh then Monroe.
If you want to jump on me about Aldrich, too bad. I've got an order in for some of Petrie's thick skin.
Next I would take Aldrich. Our biggest need is a big that can hold his position and rebound.
After that Udoh then Monroe.
If you want to jump on me about Aldrich, too bad. I've got an order in for some of Petrie's thick skin.
Sparky6string
Bench
I agree and here is why-
It's been said that the talent level is the same after a certain point which is why we should trade down but all that does is take most of the options off the table. Most of the time I see this suggested it's accompanied by 'and hopefully so-and-so will be available for us with the 9th pick'. We don't have to hope if we have the 5th pick- we get the pick of the litter.
To us these guys might be fairly close in skill ability, potential etc but I guarantee Petrie and crew have their faves picked out, or will eventually, and would not be satisfied with just whatever is left. The 9th pick gets what's left, the 5th pick gets to choose. I'll take the choice, especially with the insight that our team leaders will have going into the draft.
