If Petrie Makes the Pick....

[andjel]

Sorry, but your posts are screaming bias. In this case reducing and narrowing sample size to fit the narrative.

First you narrow the year down to pre 2013.... then you exclude October for a month that happened to be in 2012... and all that to show that your statement "PRIOR to the middle of December he was in the 20%s" is true (it would not be if October is included).

Which is all ridiculous and pointless nit picking to begin with since sample size got too small for anything.

How ridiculous sample size is can be shown that if I pick period from mid November till the end of 2012, I could claim that Reke should go to 3pt shooting context with his 42% 3pt shooting.

Sample size matters, and ignoring and massaging it shows when somebody has agenda (or incapable to comprehend numbers, which is not the case here).

As some guy said
"Torture the data, and it will confess to anything." Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize Laureate

 

[Gary]

yeah, if we had some coaches that understood his talents and knew how to maximize it. there would not even be this discussion. they put the ball in our little pizza guy over reke. nobody is that stupid right? yeah, there is.. his name is smart. my belief is that magoofs did this to destroy reke's value so they can try to resign him on the cheap.

Well Evans isn't a full time PG. The coaches all saw that. I cannot for a second believe that we know what's better for Evans than 3 different coaches. I don't think there is a conspiracy to ruin Evans value either by moving him to SG. Thomas has better PG instincts than Evans has. Thomas isn't an NBA starter though in my opinion but if he's the only guy we have we need to play him, right?

So going into this year we need to move IT to the bench. I think most of us are in agreement with that. But where we are not all in agreement is the part where I feel that we need to draft a PG (or FA/trade) and keep Evans at SG for another year.

 

[Gary]

Sorry, but your posts are screaming bias. In this case reducing and narrowing sample size to fit the narrative.

First you narrow the year down to pre 2013.... then you exclude October for a month that happened to be in 2012... and all that to show that your statement "PRIOR to the middle of December he was in the 20%s" is true (it would not be if October is included).

Which is all ridiculous and pointless nit picking to begin with since sample size got too small for anything.

How ridiculous sample size is can be shown that if I pick period from mid November till the end of 2012, I could claim that Reke should go to 3pt shooting context with his 42% 3pt shooting.

Sample size matters, and ignoring and massaging it shows when somebody has agenda (or incapable to comprehend numbers, which is not the case here).

As some guy said
"Torture the data, and it will confess to anything." Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize Laureate

My original intent was to show the start of the season vs the end of the season. It just so happened that since I missed that one game in October my "20%s"(28%) went to exactly 30%. So sue me? I was wrong because I didn't see that one game and lumped all of October into pre-season.

 

[Glenn]

IIRC he started off the first few games looking really good from the perimeter, then something happened and he lost all confidence until after the All-Star break. Then he was shooting pretty good again.

Tyreke's natural instinct when standing outside the three point line is not to shoot. I think he may want to rethink things a bit as he now has a decent three point shot. I do not use statistics to support my preconceived argument but use them to see what they can tell me about a player. Tossing aside what to me is an obvious improvement in Reke's shot is motivated by something other than what is best for the team.

 

[andjel]

My original intent was to show the start of the season vs the end of the season. It just so happened that since I missed that one game in October my "20%s"(28%) went to exactly 30%. So sue me? I was wrong because I didn't see that one game and lumped all of October into pre-season.

Nope, you are wrong because you are misusing statistics to try to support your agenda.
He was slumping exactly 8 games, not 2 months as you insinuated.... which is again misusing statistics due to the sample size.

Maybe I was wrong, maybe you are incapable to comprehend the numbers.

 

[Gilles]

Well Evans isn't a full time PG. The coaches all saw that. I cannot for a second believe that we know what's better for Evans than 3 different coaches. I don't think there is a conspiracy to ruin Evans value either by moving him to SG. Thomas has better PG instincts than Evans has. Thomas isn't an NBA starter though in my opinion but if he's the only guy we have we need to play him, right?

So going into this year we need to move IT to the bench. I think most of us are in agreement with that. But where we are not all in agreement is the part where I feel that we need to draft a PG (or FA/trade) and keep Evans at SG for another year.

Your coach argument is great. When you have IT, who you, coach not-so-Smart, really like (do I need to go find that photo?), Brooks, who your GM shoves down your throat, and Fredette, for whom your owners do the shoving, oh, I forgot about your another pet, The Fish, do you play Tyreke as your lead guard? Tyreke still got a lot of time as a facilitator and initiator. Now find a GM, who can clear part of this mess, find a coach who will ignore any residue still left and have clear understanding of how this team should be constructed, and you'll find Tyreke as lead guard.

 

[mac]

My original intent was to show the start of the season vs the end of the season. It just so happened that since I missed that one game in October my "20%s"(28%) went to exactly 30%. So sue me? I was wrong because I didn't see that one game and lumped all of October into pre-season.

Oh please, there is a huge difference between your intention when you say 20ish% and 28%. Almost 30 gives a very different impression from 20ish

 

[sdballer]

Oh please, there is a huge difference between your intention when you say 20ish% and 28%. Almost 30 gives a very different impression from 20ish

No point to this discussion. Gary isn't a fan of Reke, especially at pg, and sometimes misuses stats to argue his pov. Everyone has guys they like it don't and its unlikely after 5 years that people are going to sway him now. Just let it go.

 

[rainmaker]

If Evans is smart he will make signing HIS contract with the Kings contingent on giving DMC a FAT extension. I love both of them but to win a team need a dormant big, I don't care how good a guard is his ultimate success will be determined by the guy that sets his pick, catches his passes and gets him rebounds for second chances. I can name a few guys (M. Gassol, Howard, maybe P. Gassol) who are better but DMC is a top 5 NOW at 22 with a HUGE upside, if I am Evans agent I'd tell him straight up hitch your wagon with this guy and you two will make each other better, leave and you are at the tender mercies of your new team's big man. I have always loved the way even so-called experts seem evenly split on who was more over rated John Stockton or Karl Malone, they just flat made each other better.

If Reke is smart he won't resign until our future GM and head coach has been hired and he and his agent have sat down with them and have a direct idea of how they're planning on using him and how they value him.

 

[rainmaker]

His increased numbers was from better shot selection. Reducing the number of off the dribble shots. Which BTW is also due to him not having the ball as the shot clock runs down where he has to pull up.

Don't completely agree with that. Both Reke and Cuz often got the ball with 5 or less seconds left on the clock after IT pounded it up top and had little time to create a shot/opportunity for others. Your premise suggests this team's offense produced good shots most of the time, where from what I saw many shots were contested and rushed.

Under a new coach in a competent system which produces easier looks, Reke's FG% could easily stay the same with a larger role and/or more FGA's. And while his FG% was a career high, it wasn't that much higher than his career averages.

He's a better shooter now than as a rookie and an improved decision maker, yet as a rookie shooting 16 times per night he was near 46%, whereas last year he was at about 48%. The argument that a whopping 2% increase is because he's taking 4 FGA's less per game doesn't really have legs to stand on. Being an improved shooter and being a better decision maker(we can dispute how much better) is likely just as much a part of the increase in FG%.

 

[rainmaker]

For anyone thinking Reke didn't show drastic improvement in shooting the 3, go ahead and start listing all the players who've improved their 3pt % by 13% or more, from one season to the next while taking more 3pt shots than the season prior.

And when will Wade do that? If he learns to shoot the 3 he might be a good player one day. Maybe Wade's issue is stamina, lol. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, 3pt % isn't nearly the sole factor in judging a guard, nor nearly the most important factor.

 

[Section 101]

For anyone thinking Reke didn't show drastic improvement in shooting the 3, go ahead and start listing all the players who've improved their 3pt % by 13% or more, from one season to the next while taking more 3pt shots than the season prior.

And when will Wade do that? If he learns to shoot the 3 he might be a good player one day. Maybe Wade's issue is stamina, lol. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, 3pt % isn't nearly the sole factor in judging a guard, nor nearly the most important factor.

Well, it's much much much much easier to go from 20% to 33% than 33% to 46% ! You have to put some perspective on the numbers. It's not like a 40% shooter is going to increase by 13%, but a 0% shooter can easily become a 13% shooter.

 

[Padrino]

Well, it's much much much much easier to go from 20% to 33% than 33% to 46% ! You have to put some perspective on the numbers. It's not like a 40% shooter is going to increase by 13%, but a 0% shooter can easily become a 13% shooter.

meh. perspective cuts both ways. evans' detractors have been beating the "tyreke can't shoot!!" drum for the better part of four seasons. yet he improves his outside shot by 13% this season, for an acceptable 34% total, and it's still not enough. it'll never be enough for those who refuse to acknowledge 'reke's ceiling. for a scoring guard with a number of lethal moves en route to the basket, who rebounds well, who moves the ball well, and who defends well, an acceptable outside shot that the defense must honor is all that is necessary...

in his 10-year career, dwayne wade has never shot better than 32% from three, which makes tyreke a better 3-pt shooter than wade, who has a similar skill set. wade shot as low as 17% from three in his third season, worse than tyreke's poorest 3-pt shooting season. yet that's a 9x all-star who has never been hamstringed by his head coaches. that you feel the need to "put some perspective on the numbers" exposes your bias regarding evans, as credit is due to him for every improvement he has made thus far in his career, despite unfavorable circumstances provided by all three of kings' ownership, management, and coaching...

 

[Glenn]

Well, it's much much much much easier to go from 20% to 33% than 33% to 46% ! You have to put some perspective on the numbers. It's not like a 40% shooter is going to increase by 13%, but a 0% shooter can easily become a 13% shooter.

The question in case people have forgotten is whether Tyreke has improved his 3 pt shot. Watching him and looking at the stats indicate hat his three pt. shooting has improved. Can what we read and see be interpreted any other way?

 

[Section 101]

The question in case people have forgotten is whether Tyreke has improved his 3 pt shot. Watching him and looking at the stats indicate hat his three pt. shooting has improved. Can what we read and see be interpreted any other way?

I didn't say he didn't improve it. I was responding to the how many players improve by 13% comment. I was just pointing out it's easier to improve from a lower % than a higher %.

 

[Glenn]

I didn't say he didn't improve it. I was responding to the how many players improve by 13% comment. I was just pointing out it's easier to improve from a lower % than a higher %.

It was getting a bit picky in my view and the point you wee making seemed self evident. I didn't mean to put you down but I was wondering if this conversation was drifting off course. Too many people are trying very hard to prove that Tyreke has shown no improvement and in fact may be regressing.

 

[HndsmCelt]

If Reke is smart he won't resign until our future GM and head coach has been hired and he and his agent have sat down with them and have a direct idea of how they're planning on using him and how they value him.

I don't think he CAN re-sign untill the new GM is in place. I doubt GP CAN negotiate any new contracts.

 

[Section 101]

I don't think he CAN re-sign untill the new GM is in place. I doubt GP CAN negotiate any new contracts.

Petrie's contract is up on June 30th. So no he won't be doing any free agency without a new contract.

 

[Gilles]

He might still lock himself inside the office, not let anyone in, and trade for some flexible pieces.