i think we're seeing a new "core" being built

[jeffjcalweb]

coming into the season, thinking was the core components of this team would be bibby/miller/peja.

i am getting on the bonzi core bandwagon early, good seats still available so all aboard.

seriously, time to adjust - the "core" group isn't going to get it done but they are still good players - its just not working together on this team.

peja still has great trade value, he would be a great fit for a team that has other active (athletic) players on the floor who can create a shot or force a double team and kick to peja. sac doesn't have that anymore.

so, make a move. don't run peja out of town, he doesn't suck all of a sudden. it just no longer works here.

new core - shift to bonzi, SAR (until something better comes along), bibby and miller (unless you can convince phili to take him for dalambert).

trade peja and kevin for a big time atheltic swingman (examples maggette, hughes). i'm not saying we could get those two specifically, but something along those lines.

develop garcia - there looks to be some promise there. shake it up. with the maloof's trying to rally support for a new arena, the kings can't afford to have their fan base become apathetic.

 

[SoupNazi]

I dont see anything We need to make trades fast.

 

[x 213 x]

If this team wants to get in the playoffs this year they need to get rid of Brad and Peja, its that simple.

 

[Kings113]

coming into the season, thinking was the core components of this team would be bibby/miller/peja.

i am getting on the bonzi core bandwagon early, good seats still available so all aboard.

seriously, time to adjust - the "core" group isn't going to get it done but they are still good players - its just not working together on this team.

peja still has great trade value, he would be a great fit for a team that has other active (athletic) players on the floor who can create a shot or force a double team and kick to peja. sac doesn't have that anymore.

so, make a move. don't run peja out of town, he doesn't suck all of a sudden. it just no longer works here.

new core - shift to bonzi, SAR (until something better comes along), bibby and miller (unless you can convince phili to take him for dalambert).

trade peja and kevin for a big time atheltic swingman (examples maggette, hughes). i'm not saying we could get those two specifically, but something along those lines.

develop garcia - there looks to be some promise there. shake it up. with the maloof's trying to rally support for a new arena, the kings can't afford to have their fan base become apathetic.

Luol Deng of the Bulls.

I'm not sure if the Clippers would do what you suggested for Corey.

 

[John Galt]

If this team wants to get in the playoffs this year they need to get rid of Brad and Peja, its that simple.

100% correct! I'd even trade them for draft picks and a chance at some kind of future. Brad has become useless... Peja has been useless for a long while.

 

[x 213 x]

Lets just hope Minny starts losing and KG becomes more frustrated, thats where Geoff Petrie jumps in.

 

[SoupNazi]

Lets just hope Minny starts losing and KG becomes more frustrated, thats where Geoff Petrie jumps in.

Minny looks really solid right now, maybe we coulda done somthing last year when they were aweful.

 

[SacTownKid]

You all have to understand that these are the players Adelman wanted. We don't see guys like Tag and Skinner because he is going to ride the players that fit his system. There's really nothing wrong with that when you think about it. He is the coach and he'll do what he feels is comfortable.

 

[ForlornKing]

100% correct! I'd even trade them for draft picks and a chance at some kind of future. Brad has become useless... Peja has been useless for a long while.

Get a Top 3 Draft Pick, and draft a young atheletic PF a la Amare that would be our future!

 

[kiparking]

You all have to understand that these are the players Adelman wanted. We don't see guys like Tag and Skinner because he is going to ride the players that fit his system. There's really nothing wrong with that when you think about it. He is the coach and he'll do what he feels is comfortable.

Yes, except that his system has failed miserably so far this season, and yet he refuse to make any adjustment. If it's not broken, don't change it. But if it's broken, FIX IT.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yes, except that his system has failed miserably so far this season, and yet he refuse to make any adjustment. If it's not broken, don't change it. But if it's broken, FIX IT.

Well I understand but even though I would love to see defensive, rebounding, shotblockers it ain't gonna happen. Just like I begged to my TV screen to see Tag get time last year I am doing it this year with Skinner. You just have to accept that fact that it most likely isn't going to happen. I thought after the last game we would see Skinner and Corliss for sure (regardless of matchups) but I have learned tonight that Adelman is going to stick by the principals that got him success before.

 

[Kings113]

Except with Skinner it's 10x worse than Ostertag, mainly because of Skinner's contract/abilities. Also given Ostertag was out of shape and in Adelman's dog house because of it for basically the whole season.

 

[Ryle]

Well I understand but even though I would love to see defensive, rebounding, shotblockers it ain't gonna happen. Just like I begged to my TV screen to see Tag get time last year I am doing it this year with Skinner. You just have to accept that fact that it most likely isn't going to happen. I thought after the last game we would see Skinner and Corliss for sure (regardless of matchups) but I have learned tonight that Adelman is going to stick by the principals that got him success before.

The principals that got him success were named Webber and Divac and he really doesn't know what to do without them....

 

[SacTownKid]

The principals that got him success were named Webber and Divac and he really doesn't know what to do without them....

Don't forget that that was the SECOND best team that Adelman has coached. He's had even better success without Webber and Vlade. His best teams were in Portland.

 

[Bricklayer]

The principals that got him success were named Webber and Divac and he really doesn't know what to do without them....

He doesn't know how to maake second rate mismatched talent win, I'll grant you that.

I wonder if you took Duncan away from Pop and replaced him with Al Harrington (and then said, well its pretty much the same thing), Manu and Bowen and replaced them with, well, fill in your own names. One does wonder what would happen.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

He doesn't know how to maake second rate mismatched talent win, I'll grant you that.

I wonder if you took Duncan away from Pop and replaced him with Al Harrington (and then said, well its pretty much the same thing), Manu and Bowen and replaced them with, well, fill in your own names. One does wonder what would happen.

Well, people on this board have compared Ginobili with Bobby Jackson... so, yeah, swap those two. And then, replace Bruce Bowen with another player that focuses on defense at the expense of his offensive game... Ryan Bowen.

Lastly, replace William Parker with somebody who's pretty close in skill level and everything else... ladies and gentlemen: Leandro Barbosa.

So, there you have it: Harrington, B. Jackson, Barbosa and R. Bowen: Where's my ring?

 

[Ryle]

He doesn't know how to maake second rate mismatched talent win, I'll grant you that.

I wonder if you took Duncan away from Pop and replaced him with Al Harrington (and then said, well its pretty much the same thing), Manu and Bowen and replaced them with, well, fill in your own names. One does wonder what would happen.

Agreed but I have also seen Pop call a timeout in the first quarter when the other team gets an easy bucket and he will rip into someone(yes I have even seen this happen to Duncan) about their lack of defense....that doesn't happen with us. Brick, I'm getting tired myself and I know it's after 2 AM for you so put your *** to bed......

 

[king-me]

If this team wants to get in the playoffs this year they need to get rid of Brad and Peja, its that simple.

i've been saying this for a while now. They're both soft, unathletic and don't play defense. We don't need jumpshooting big men...but ones that can block shots and rebound. We need to find a way to package both of them for a superstar.

 

[kingsfan52miller]

If this team wants to get in the playoffs this year they need to get rid of Brad and Peja, its that simple.

oh ya thats a good idea..get rid of them both so we can suck more

 

[AleksandarN]

i've been saying this for a while now. They're both soft, unathletic and don't play defense. We don't need jumpshooting big men...but ones that can block shots and rebound. We need to find a way to package both of them for a superstar.

If they are as bad as you say then how can we possibly get a superstar for them?

 

[VF21]

You all have to understand that these are the players Adelman wanted. We don't see guys like Tag and Skinner because he is going to ride the players that fit his system. There's really nothing wrong with that when you think about it. He is the coach and he'll do what he feels is comfortable.

These AREN'T the players Adelman wanted as much as they're the players Petrie wanted. Adelman has been charged with the responsbility of trying to fit the existing players into a team he can feel comfortable with. (So I agree with the latter part of your statement - just not the first part.)

Regardless, all this finger pointing is getting to the point of being almost laughable. The horse is taking what could well be its last breaths. It seems almost inhumane to keep beating it...

 

[SacTownKid]

These AREN'T the players Adelman wanted as much as they're the players Petrie wanted. Adelman has been charged with the responsbility of trying to fit the existing players into a team he can feel comfortable with. (So I agree with the latter part of your statement - just not the first part.)

Regardless, all this finger pointing is getting to the point of being almost laughable. The horse is taking what could well be its last breaths. It seems almost inhumane to keep beating it...

I was saying the first part in regards to the starting 5 specifically. I should have made that more clear.

 

[bigbadred00]

It's hard to win with talent that doesn't fit your system especially when your talent isn't what it used to be. We don't have any great defensive players anymore (Bobby when healthy and Christie in his prime or Webber in his prime), other than Brad, we don't have great passers with respect to his position, we lack any post defenders and our best player (Peja) is playing terribly right now due to injury and other reasons (haven't gotten a chance to watch the games).

But if others are going to blame Webber for playing with a more serious injury, I think what Peja is doing on the court is alot more detrimental to the team than how ineffective Webber was on his return. Webber was atleast doing other things on the court rebound and pass. Peja who is basically a pure shooter, can't shoot right now, so why in the world is he on the court. As much as I'd like to see the guy hustle, he hasn't really and he doesn't get boards. Give Garcia or Martin a shot, right now they'll be alot more effective than Peja is playing hurt.

 

[CaminoChaos]

He doesn't know how to maake second rate mismatched talent win, I'll grant you that.

I wonder if you took Duncan away from Pop and replaced him with Al Harrington (and then said, well its pretty much the same thing), Manu and Bowen and replaced them with, well, fill in your own names. One does wonder what would happen.

Brick, you make a good point. I like Adelman. His offense schemes are great. The one thing that bugs me is how he always uses the "Matchup" card when refering to players like Skinner and Williamson. But the fact is there players have to gaurd them also. You don't see Popovich benching Narz or Nesterovich because there is a bad match up. They are in there to do 2 things. Rebound and protect the paint.

As far as Brad and Peja is concerned they both are great players at what they do. Nobody is going to argue that. But this is a different team. I've notice opposing teams defending Brad at the high post with there most athetic big man. When Brad is shut down at the high post this team is lost. In situations like that Bonzi and Reef on the low block are our best options.

When you talk about defense and rebounding, we have the most unathletic frontcourt in the league. The 2 biggest players in our line up are our WORST rebounders. I believe that if this team wants to be a playoff contender, they need more frontcourt rebounding and defense. I order to do that either Brad or Peja have to go.

You look at the championship teams in the past 15 or 20 years and they have 1 thing in common.....at least 1 defensive minded rebounder. Duncan, Wallace, Shaq, Rodman, Grant, Hakeem, well you get the point. This is the key to any teams success.

 

[Fillmoe]

peja out bonzi and reef in!

 

[PFFFT!!]

Brad seems lackluster out there, perhaps dreamin of shootin' some 'coons or something :\

 

[gman23]

Well I understand but even though I would love to see defensive, rebounding, shotblockers it ain't gonna happen. Just like I begged to my TV screen to see Tag get time last year I am doing it this year with Skinner. You just have to accept that fact that it most likely isn't going to happen. I thought after the last game we would see Skinner and Corliss for sure (regardless of matchups) but I have learned tonight that Adelman is going to stick by the principals that got him success before.

Which is why I like coaches like Pat Riley, Phil Jackson...they don't care about being MR. Popular with the players, it's who can get the job done period.

 

[Old #11]

"Get a Top 3 Draft Pick, and draft a young atheletic PF a la Amare that would be our future!"


And just where would we get "a young atheletic PF a la Amare" or any other superstar for that matter? It's not like they are sitting on a bench somewhere waiting to be asked to play! Granted, I don't follow the future draft candidates, but I'm guessing that we can't expect an Amare in every draft. Isn't that why they are superstars because they are rare?

Besides Amare isn't playing this year and the Suns are still holding it together awaiting his return.

I don't think that there's an instant fix for this team. We're just going to have to hang on and keep cheering and hopefully the ones who have the ability to make changes "git er duune".