I seriously hope......

[SLAB]

But Bibby has a killer's mentality in high stress situations. look at 2002, and the gorilla walk. (Or don't, I know it hurts).

What good is a killer's mentality on a 30 win team?

Bibby isn't the team's biggest problem, not by a longshot, but if there is a chance to trade him off for young parts/picks/enders you have to jump all over it.

At this point, does he have any sort of decent value though?

 

[Entity]

You don't have all young guys. If you do then you never compete. Bibby isn't overpaid he is about average for his skill set. Mo Williams is asking for 9 or 10 mil starting off. That will well exceed the contract of Bibby. So in 5 years will Mo Williams be worth 15 mil a year. I doubt it. To have decent players you have to pay them. If you don't have a high paid veteran then you have a veteran that was never very good lol. Bibby should stay before Miller or Artest.

Give me preseason Bibby from last year for a full season last year and I bet we make the playoffs. Still out in the 1st but, he makes that much of a difference. He was rolling in preseason before the injury. In fact I thought it could be the the year he made All-Star. He was averaging almost 20 points in 20 min and only shooting 8-10 times.

 

[Sac.Kings]

preseason bibby impressed me because i saw hustle everywhere on the court, defense and simply a will that wasnt there before. But as kings luck would have it he hurts his shooting hand/wrist and it pretty much flew out the window. I hope Bibby stays because he can lead by example. He has been and performed deep into the playoffs, guys have to respect that. I think people underestimate his leadership ability. Like the reports said on Theus, he never vocally led the team, but he led them by example and i think Bibby is similar in that way.

 

[ParniValjak]

cant believe what im reading. how long have the bobcats sucked? or how bout atlanta? these two teams have been the worst of the worst since the beginning of this decade. the hawks have been "rebuilding" for years. were they even any good to begin with? you need veteran players to surround the rookies on this team.

Can you please compare the front office of the Hwaks to the front office of the Kings?!

Billy Knight or Geoff Petrie?! Hmmm.......tough choice that one

 

[Bibbilicious]

Can you please compare the front office of the Hwaks to the front office of the Kings?!

Billy Knight or Geoff Petrie?! Hmmm.......tough choice that one

Geoff Petrie isnt god ya know. some bad decisions have been made, i agree though, you cant just throw in some young players, regardless of talent, and expect them to be able to become a team worthy of the playoffs. you need somebody on the team who has been in the league and knows his way around in a manner of speaking. now thats not saying mike is the only veteran, but despite what some may think, he does do his share with the young players. id rather see artest go cause hes too unpredictable and is not the best TEAM player, he is a great individual player. however i see where you guys are coming from by saying we need young guys, the perfect balance is a little of both.

 

[chelle]

Personally, I'd like to see Bibby traded. I don't like his attitude and that attitude has probably cost as many losses if not more than his few big shots have won for the Kings. Not a good candidate for helping the younger players get on board the rebuilding process.

Thanks for the memories, Mike.

I don't get this at all. I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say his attitude has cost us games. Maybe I missed it, But I did not see that happen at all. As I have said before, if it comes down to Bibby or Artest, I hope Bibby is in a King's jersey next season.

 

[vfettke]

i remember reading a Ronnie Price interview posted here. he was asked how some of the star vets like Mike and Ron teach him to become better. Ronniw replied that he learns a lot from Mike by watching him.

now, if he were the type of vet you keep on a rebuilding team to help teach youngsters wouldn't you want Ronnie's reply to be more along the lines of "well, Mike is constantly giving me suggestions and working with me during practice so that i can get better"? it doesn't make sense to have a vet teach the kids by letting them watch.

maybe i was reading too much into the comment, but it doesn't seem that far fetched. a good type of guy to keep around to help the youngsters would be someone like Corliss. He'd probably resign for cheap with us and would teach the young guys a lot, and not just about basketball. he's had a long career, has a championship ring, and is one of the classiest guys in pro sports. that's the type of vet you keep around to train the youngsters

 

[JoMama]

Wouldn't shed a tear if Bibby was traded. He's the main reason teams get so much dribble penetration against the Kings. He's the main reason opponents score "easy baskets." He can't move his feet to play good D and he may be the least athletic point guard in the NBA. No hops.
He's also a sloppy passer, which is why he's not a "true" point guard. Over dribbling in the paint and poor decisions with the ball resulted in numerous Bibby turnovers last season.
If he's not hitting his shots (like all last season), the Kings are basically playing four-on-five basketball. Not a pretty sight.

 

[Kingzrool]

As we have seen, Bibby can have value to a contending team that has the right peices around him. Kings are neither of those. IMO the longer he stays in this roster, the more his trade value will diminish. He is far from a team leader and it seems to take away from his overall contribution to have to pretend to be one. I am certain it would be better for both parties for him to move on.

My first choice would be to retain Corliss as the Vet and let Miller, Bibby and Artest go (in that order) for a plethora of first round picks - two lottery picks next year would be great. In any case, I hope Bibby is doing the crab walk for some other team next season, I would enjoy seeing him thrive in the right environment.

I do have to say that his complete and utter lack of defensive spirit has always been an issue for me. I have taken grief on this site before for calling him a wus.

 

[vfettke]

I don't get this at all. I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say his attitude has cost us games. Maybe I missed it, But I did not see that happen at all. As I have said before, if it comes down to Bibby or Artest, I hope Bibby is in a King's jersey next season.

Bibby's pretty one dimensional and is in no way helpful to our rebuild.

If, and this is a big IF, Reggie Theus can keep Artest in line and get him to play/behave like he did when he first came here, then you keep Artest. He's almost half the price of Bibby, he'll stop almost anyone on defense, and can be a great 2nd or 3rd option on offense. that last parts a stretch, but if Theus could get him to buy into the fact that KMart can score at will but Artest will still get plenty of looks, then Artest will be the most effective player we have. he's also young enough for the rebuild, and when he's behaving he's a great role model (basketball-wise) for the younger guys

 

[Rug King]

What I'm referring to is Bibby's behavior of tuning out the coach ( Adelman or Muss) during late timeouts with the game on the line. It was Bibby who didn't listen to Adelman during the spur's / Kings play-off game. He alone was responsible for that loss because he didn't do what Rick had told him to do. Guard Brent Barry and don't let him shoot a three, was what he was told.... he was miles away from Barry and what happened?

That's just one example of his "attitude" that I think costs the Kings. It happens over and over with Mike. I just think it's time to move him. He's no help to the franchise at this point imo.

 

[ParniValjak]

Geoff Petrie isnt god ya know. some bad decisions have been made, i agree though, you cant just throw in some young players, regardless of talent, and expect them to be able to become a team worthy of the playoffs. you need somebody on the team who has been in the league and knows his way around in a manner of speaking. now thats not saying mike is the only veteran, but despite what some may think, he does do his share with the young players. id rather see artest go cause hes too unpredictable and is not the best TEAM player, he is a great individual player. however i see where you guys are coming from by saying we need young guys, the perfect balance is a little of both.

Petrie is INFINETLY a better GM than Knights. Petrie has built a conteder before and given the space and chance to do so, he will do it again. I wouldn't trust Billy Knight to build a tower out of pack of cards let alone a contender.

People point out these franchises that have been a laughing stock for years as the rebuilding teams. They don't look a bit further into it to see who is actually in charge of those teams and they NEVER point to the Miami, Phoenix, Portland of this world

There are other veterans that can be those "glue guys" on the team who know what they are on about. I would rather have Williamson for a couple of years showing these guys the ropes than someone like Bibby who will take big minutes and shots away from these kids.

 

[perezident]

I agree. I think Bibby is a valuable player and, especially if we get the big we're hoping for - along with some new blood - I think Mike could really help. I think he'll do a lot better with a coach like Theus than we saw last season. On a rebuilding team, you absolutely must have a couple of veterans around to give the youth direction and focus. I think Bibby can help in that respect and I think he will.

Go Bibby!!!

The only thing i agree with in your post is "GO BIBBY" ...and exactly that Please GO BIBBY!!!.... bibby era here in the kings org. is finished imo he is too lazy and he cant/wont play D but only wants to chuck up three's and whine and complain...we dnt need that kind of worthless attitude on this squad.

i mean hey say what u will about artest but atleast he's determined to play HARD every night and he is a Defensive STUD!

 

[Double-K]

The only thing i agree with in your post is "GO BIBBY" ...and exactly that Please GO BIBBY!!!.... bibby era here in the kings org. is finished imo he is too lazy and he cant/wont play D but only wants to chuck up three's and whine and complain...we dnt need that kind of worthless attitude on this squad.

i mean hey say what u will about artest but atleast he's determined to play HARD every night and he is a Defensive STUD!

And I remember my first post on this board was praising Peja...

Welcome to the board, Perezident.

 

[perezident]

And I remember my first post on this board was praising Peja...

Welcome to the board, Perezident.

thank u very kindly i feel so welcomed ....i was meaning to join this forum site for quite sometime now but a good friend of mine reminded me

 

[Simran2214]

The only thing i agree with in your post is "GO BIBBY" ...and exactly that Please GO BIBBY!!!.... bibby era here in the kings org. is finished imo he is too lazy and he cant/wont play D but only wants to chuck up three's and whine and complain...we dnt need that kind of worthless attitude on this squad.

i mean hey say what u will about artest but atleast he's determined to play HARD every night and he is a Defensive STUD!

I don't understand what you mean. I do not recall Mike Bibby ever whining or complaining this past season or even the seasons before.

Oh yeah, I rarely post here but am a frequent visitor of this forum.

GO KINGS! and GO BIBBY!

 

[perezident]

I don't understand what you mean. I do not recall Mike Bibby ever whining or complaining this past season or even the seasons before.

Oh yeah, I rarely post here but am a frequent visitor of this forum.

GO KINGS! and GO BIBBY!

i guess your arent a kings fan huh bro

did u forget about all that dramma Bibby was kicking in the locker room against artest??

 

[pdxKingsFan]

that if Mike Bibby is still on the team next season that he goes off and has one of his best seasons ever to make believers of all the naysayers around here once again. I really want him to make people eat their words.

The dude is a high quality PG and one of the best PGs in franchise history. He plays to win every game, does not complain and has ice in his veins when it comes to taking the really big shots. It seems that most have forgotten his clutch performances in the recent past. Either that, or the fans around here are suffering from a heavy dose of 'what have you done for me lately.'

I do not mean to rant, but it is my opinion that Bibby deserves a whole lot more respect around here than what he has been receiving.

Go Bibby!

I would be ok if we traded Bibby but I agree 100%. A lot of people around here have always been down on him for things that may have been beyond his control. They seem to forget this franchise's long history of futility at the position.

 

[Padrino]

i guess your arent a kings fan huh bro

did u forget about all that dramma Bibby was kicking in the locker room against artest??

perceived locker room drama. nothing was ever officially reported, as far as i know...

 

[chelle]

i guess your arent a kings fan huh bro

did u forget about all that dramma Bibby was kicking in the locker room against artest??

We are all Kings fans around here. We can be fans and disagree on certain points. For example, if I was to speculate about the root of the Bibby/Artest issue, it would NOT be Bibby. That being said, neither of us is privy to what goes on in the lockeroom, so we will just hold on to our own opinions.

It does not make us better or worse fans. We just disagree.

 

[kupman]

At this point, just let me say that this thread was not started to be a "should we trade Bibby or not," kind of debate. Those debates area a dime a dozen on this board and it was not my intention to start another.

In fact, I grew weary of those debates quite some time ago. I will leave the personnel decisions to GP. It was my intention to just say that I would find it very poetic if Bibby remained a King this year and he went off this season to the tune of about 18 pts and 7-8 assists and lead the Kings to the playoffs.

I don't have a Mike Bibby poster on my wall or anything, but I have seen what he has meant to this team in the past 6-7 years and I understand what he could mean to the Kings in the future.

 

[Simran2214]

i guess your arent a kings fan huh bro

did u forget about all that dramma Bibby was kicking in the locker room against artest??

Bibby kicking locker room drama? I am pretty sure I remember clearly, and if anything, it was Artest who must have been the person stirring up drama. If your gonna believe everything you read on ESPN then whatever, but I am pretty sure that it wasn't Bibby who started it because he is not that kind of person, which you should already know if you follow the Kings.

 

[Double-K]

At this point, just let me say that this thread was not started to be a "should we trade Bibby or not," kind of debate. Those debates area a dime a dozen on this board and it was not my intention to start another.

In fact, I grew weary of those debates quite some time ago. I will leave the personnel decisions to GP. It was my intention to just say that I would find it very poetic if Bibby remained a King this year and he went off this season to the tune of about 18 pts and 7-8 assists and lead the Kings to the playoffs.

I don't have a Mike Bibby poster on my wall or anything, but I have seen what he has meant to this team in the past 6-7 years and I understand what he could mean to the Kings in the future.

Ditto!



Just like the 2nd respond I made...

 

[VF21]

The only thing i agree with in your post is "GO BIBBY" ...and exactly that Please GO BIBBY!!!.... bibby era here in the kings org. is finished imo he is too lazy and he cant/wont play D but only wants to chuck up three's and whine and complain...we dnt need that kind of worthless attitude on this squad.

i mean hey say what u will about artest but atleast he's determined to play HARD every night and he is a Defensive STUD!

Oh good grief...

 

[kingsfan916]

I do have a lot of respect for mike and would hate to see him go

 

[uptempo-kings]

pg's are very hard to come by no matter what ppl say about bigs etc etc... Bibby is still one of the elites and I too believe he still has it in him this guy was playing hurt and still averaged 34.0 min .404fg% .360%3P .830%ft 4.7ast and 17.1 pts per game, wayyyyyyyyyyy better then 3/4 of the guys in the nba and remind you this is on a bad year hmmmmm!!! i don't know about you but i think mike is worth keeping, and after how we treated him and this guy still wants to remain a king man thats loyalty at its finest, mike will come back solid for 07-08 and everyone will be silenced, once the crab dance makes it infamous return.

R.i.P Chris Benoit
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[Double-K]

At this point, just let me say that this thread was not started to be a "should we trade Bibby or not," kind of debate. Those debates area a dime a dozen on this board and it was not my intention to start another.

In fact, I grew weary of those debates quite some time ago. I will leave the personnel decisions to GP. It was my intention to just say that I would find it very poetic if Bibby remained a King this year and he went off this season to the tune of about 18 pts and 7-8 assists and lead the Kings to the playoffs.

I don't have a Mike Bibby poster on my wall or anything, but I have seen what he has meant to this team in the past 6-7 years and I understand what he could mean to the Kings in the future.

Just wanna remind everyone about that.
Kupman was just saying how much he/she wants to see Bibby make people eat their words after all the hating.

 

[BawLa]

I love Mike Bibby. But last year was a huge disappointment. I presume that part of it was the offensive (or lack of) system that Muss ran last year. It didn't exactly help him get in a comfort zone. But that doesn't excuse him from missing the open shots, taking shots without making 1 pass, taking shots early in the shot clock, and not playing hard defense consistently.

When Mike Bibby is playing good basketball he is attacking the lane and drawing fouls. Where did that Mike go? I remember him putting on weight so that he could take the beating easier, but it seemed like the by-product was a dramatic decrease in agility. It is either that or a decrease in confidence. Either way I hope it changes.

I hope that Reggie can get Mike playing at a high level. It behooves Mike to have a good season so he can get that last big contract of his career. And that would simultaneously be good for us because we can trade him before the deadline and get some young talent/picks in return to help our rebuild.

So the way it seems, it is hit or bust this year with Mike.

 

[VF21]

The extra weight was the year before. This year he came into camp in excellent condition and looked to be headed for perhaps his best year ever. Then he got the wrist/thumb injury that pretty much continued to plague him off and on for most of the season. He had two rolled ankles, and who knows what else but still gutted it out and played.

I'm not saying he doesn't need to work hard to bring it all this year but just reminding people that he wasn't in top form after that wrist/thumb injury at the beginning of the season.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just wanna remind everyone about that.
Kupman was just saying how much he/she wants to see Bibby make people eat their words after all the hating.

Kupman is very noble and high minded like that.


However: tough cookies. You open a thread about how much you hope your 29 yr old PG being paid more than Steve Nash and shooting 40% is going to go make all the meanies who have noted he's a 29 yr old PG being paid more than Steve Nash and shooting 40% eat their words, you better be willing to accept that the targets of your sentiments are going to respond to the thread.