I know it's early but here's something to ponder

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Since Bonzi is playing like the type of player we've always needed, maybe we should let Peja walk next year(or use him in a S&T), sign Bonzi to an extension, then start Garcia at the 3. And then build our team up from there.
 
looks like that might be an option if he keeps playing consistent. i love peja and all but his softness is what will allow me to pull the trigger when it comes to a deal on the table.
 
BK_KingsFan7 said:
Since Bonzi is playing like the type of player we've always needed, maybe we should let Peja walk next year(or use him in a S&T), sign Bonzi to an extension, then start Garcia at the 3. And then build our team up from there.
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I'm not entirely sure that that sort of thing wasn't at least pondered by the front office. Basically we had two ending contracts amongst our 5 starters in Bonzi (OG) and Peja (SF) and then where exactly do we have our two young players? Well, Kevin (OG) and Cisco (SF). Not sure that was 100% coincidence, and wonder if maybe part of the "flexibility" doctrine in this lineup -- if the rooks show well, let the big money starters walk and save money. If they don't and the vets show well, then resign them if possible.

That said, Cisco really hasn't shown he is truly up to the task yet. There is something there, but hand the position over to him something? Er... And I will still have to see it to believe it when it comes to actually doing a Peja trade or letting him walk. Think our GM has a personal hangup there leading to separation anxiety, and Peja may be almost a legacy for however long Geoff is running the team.
 
if our bench sucks now..... what happens if bonzi and peja walk?
 
Magic 8 ball would say - ask again later. Like next May. It's November still and a lot of things will sort themselves out by the end of the season. I like Garcia so far, but then again I thought Hedo and Wallace looked pretty good filling in for Peja.
There's a whole cottage industry in Peja injury replacements!
 
AriesMar27 said:
if our bench sucks now..... what happens if bonzi and peja walk?
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Well, if that happened next summer I would say obviously we were into full on rebuilding mode, and there would be a bunch more kiddies to surround them with by next training camp. But neither Kevin nor Cisco has shown that kind of ability or consistency yet.
 
true but if peja or bonzi are s&t i wouldnt see a need to start either martin or garcia and our bench would still suck..... we could start thomas and reef at the forwards but then our defense would be even worse..... how slow would this team be with miller, reef and thomas starting together?

what happens to corliss? isnt his contract ending? who can we trade for? wonder if memphis would trade shane battier.....
 
AriesMar27 said:
true but if peja or bonzi are s&t i wouldnt see a need to start either martin or garcia and our bench would still suck..... we could start thomas and reef at the forwards but then our defense would be even worse..... how slow would this team be with miller, reef and thomas starting together?

what happens to corliss? isnt his contract ending? who can we trade for? wonder if memphis would trade shane battier.....
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Nope, not ending until next year. And I ahve to assume Battier is nearly untouchable for anything less than a star type player. He's a 35min starter for them now doing all the dirty work.
 
I think the question is, if we sign Peja long term does that increase our chances of a championship? If we don't, do we decrease our chances? Is this team even close to making that kind of a run? If the team isn't championship caliber, doesn't that mean changes are necessary to make the team a championship caliber team?
 
I wrote about the same idea (keep Bonzi and trade Peja) in another discussion but no one seems to care about it. Anyway, I think the Kings should look for a two-for-one deal this summer acquiring a big time star by S&T trade Peja and another stater. The Kings are seriously lacking in athleticism and defense in the front court. Only a trade can rectify this problem.
 
owensborocard32 said:
I think the question is, if we sign Peja long term does that increase our chances of a championship? If we don't, do we decrease our chances? Is this team even close to making that kind of a run? If the team isn't championship caliber, doesn't that mean changes are necessary to make the team a championship caliber team?
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Good points. IMHO-this team is nowhere near championship caliber. Yes, it is good enough to make the playoffs, but even if it gets past the first round (doubtful right now), no way it gets past the 2nd.

Signing Peja will not increase our chances for a championship. He is a good, exciting, fun to watch player who does not have the heart or soul to play the kind of down and dirty game that is necessary for the playoffs, much less the finals. That is not meant as a knock on Peja. He is who he is.

Signing Bonzi means we have a better chance of playoff advancement because, unlike Peja, he has the down and dirty type game to help a team during post season play.

However, until this team learns to play some defense (doubtful with all the current players) at the post season level, it goes nowhere no matter who is or isn't signed.
 
ForlornKing said:
.......Peja for Tayshaun........
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Those are the types of things that just can't happen. Always the deal with trading Peja, or any major piece. Even if its the right move to trade him, you only have a limited number of teams interested, and you don't want to take too big a step backward in talent.

Battier (maybe), Artest (doubtful now) Kirlenko (even mroe doubtful wihtout serious sweetener) etc. are all defensive stalwarts. Suppose maybe still Marion if things completely fall apart for them, but that's doubtful too.

Its hard to trade with winning teams happy with their personnel, and because of his contract situation its also hard to trade Peja to a team not willing to max him out, or who isn't just looking for cap room. Probably get better results trying to cross trade -- Peja for a non-SF/shooter, etc. Because at least there you can get a bonus if you can find a team with a need in one area, and excess talent in another.
 
I heard Rashard LEwis is going to opt out. Maybe the Kings can go for him!!

You never know!

Rashard lewis a decent shooter and pretty good at dfense. I think the Kings could use someone like him.........
 
Bballkingsrock said:
I heard Rashard LEwis is going to opt out. Maybe the Kings can go for him!!

You never know!

Rashard lewis a decent shooter and pretty good at dfense. I think the Kings could use someone like him.........
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That's been suggested before, but that's just Peja II, with a post game.

If you were ever going to move Peja I think you would have to be getting something different back, whether in style, age, $$$, toughness, whatever. If you just wanted a softy shooter with clutchness issues, you've already got one of the best.
 
hey Brick! i really like most of your trade ideas..especially the Garnett one..but i still think Peja is a valuable player. The Kings just don't have that enough inside presence to maximize his shooting skills. I know some of the fans want Peja or even Bibby to carry the team but the thing is Peja and Bibby were great when they had CWebb and Vlade. They are both great role players...including BMiller. Now with CWebb gone fans were expecting for them to take that next level but it seems they'll be just great role players..at least as we've seen this past games...still hoping though that they would...just imagine Peja in San Antonio? Pacers or even Miami? If only things go my way..Peja,Bibby and Garnett will be one awesome championship caliber team...
 
I guess I'm really just behind the times.

I want to see what THIS group of players can do before we start deciding it's time to ship any of them off. (With the exception of getting KG to come here, of course. ;) )

I'm gonna view each game, watching for improvement, looking for subtle nuances, and enjoying the season as it unfolds. It just seems so premature to be talking about what's going to happen after this season. To me, the journey itself is more than just reaching the destination.
 
VF21 said:
I guess I'm really just behind the times.

I want to see what THIS group of players can do before we start deciding it's time to ship any of them off. (With the exception of getting KG to come here, of course. ;) )

I'm gonna view each game, watching for improvement, looking for subtle nuances, and enjoying the season as it unfolds. It just seems so premature to be talking about what's going to happen after this season. To me, the journey itself is more than just reaching the destination.
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I feel the same. I am actually excited to see where this group is going to take us!
 
That's just wasting time. Believe that a franchise should only be in two modes: 1) rebuilding, or 2) moving toward contention. And you try to limit 1) as much as possible. Make every change you have to make in as short a period of time as possible, get all the players you need, and then settle in and only make subtle changes therafter + let the team develop chemistry and consistency. Which would be exactly what we did in '99. And what we should be doing again. Are you a contender? No? Then let's speed things along please. The rest is just a waste of time.
 
This group is going to take us to the Lottery...

My only wish as a fan is to have my favorite teams win championships and/or owners that show they only want to win championships. Reason behind that is I feel no reason to spend money on a team were ownership doesn't care either.

I don't care about growing pains those have to happen to get to the end goal of a ring. I think we as kings fans are in one of those growing pain periods.

I think I can say and wager a whole bunch of money that this team as constructed now won't be winning any rings or much of anything. Trades or the Lottery will be necessary for our future if we every want a chance again at winning a ring. I don't mind trade talks right now myself as I feel they are the only way for us to step up a level or two.


Dang Brick posted almost my thoughts right before I did.
 
So you're ready to decide TODAY to sign Bonzi to an extension, let Peja walk at the end of the year and have Garcia start at 3?

I simply don't agree we have enough data to base those decisions on. I'm going to keep on watching the games as they and the team develop, which is what I'm reasonably sure Petrie is doing. He's not making decisions yet; he's gathering data and that's the point I was trying to make.
 
To early to tell VF. However with that said I think that Peja being traded will be one key piece in us getting better. I think he is the most tastey piece we have to other GM's which could return us something that fits the puzzle. With that said I have no GM experience but I just stayed at a Holiday Inn express. :)
 
I just think that it is too early to make any big decisions. I know that we are not contenders at this moment with this specific team. I do believe that Petrie has another big move to make to get us there. I do not know if it will be during the season or in the summer, but something will be done. UNTIL THEN, I will enjoy the players we have.

WITHOUT A DOUBT, I want my team to win it all or at least be serious contenders. I want the players, owners, and managment working towards that very end. However, the fact is, NO TEAM is a contender each year. Things cycle. We have been on a downward arch the past couple seasons. Right now, we are pretty much at the bottom. Which means, IMHO, that we will be on the upswing soon.

Until then, I am excited to see what this team will do. I, personally, have been encouraged by the play of many on the team. I also think that the Maloofs, Petrie, and Adleman KNOW that we are not a championship team. I would hope that they would TAKE THEIR TIME and evaluate who we have. Watch them in games and THEN decide who stays or goes. I am in no rush to judgement and am glad that they do not appear to be either.

Too much is at stake for the FUTURE to make any rash changes now. Watch, evalute and make the right decision at the right time.

I am excited to see it all unfold. Who knows, maybe THIS team will fool us all, get it together and give the Spurs a run for their trophy!
 
chelle said:
However, the fact is, NO TEAM is a contender each year. Things cycle. We have been on a downward arch the past couple seasons. Right now, we are pretty much at the bottom. Which means, IMHO, that we will be on the upswing soon.
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Agreed. If this is the bottom, so be it. 50 win seasons when your team is at their low point ain't that bad. Anyways, we're ahead of the Lakers right now, good enough for me at this point.
 
If this is the bottom, so be it. 50 win seasons when your team is at their low point ain't that bad.
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I was being optimistic about this being the "bottom.";)

We all should know that it could be (and has been) A LOT worse, but I am hoping this is our new low and going up starts now!:D

If not, there is always next season!!!
 
I would not be astounded if the Maloofs drop both Peja and Bonzi in an effort to reduce team salaries and send the Kings into the lottery full-scale. Would they trade these guys for lottery picks? As things stand, we are stuck in the middle of the WC pack with little or no hope of a major break-through in the forseeable future. :(

Then again, we may be at Big Rock Candy Mountain where the hens lay hard-boiled eggs and whisky seeps from the rocks. :)
 
if we could get joe johnson and picks from atl and toronto im all for it..... corlis and bonzi to toronto for picks and peja for jj... or vice versa..... the hawks and raptors are going nowhere fast..... we could get some nice picks.... and johnson....
 
Bricklayer said:
That's just wasting time. Believe that a franchise should only be in two modes: 1) rebuilding, or 2) moving toward contention. And you try to limit 1) as much as possible. Make every change you have to make in as short a period of time as possible, get all the players you need, and then settle in and only make subtle changes therafter + let the team develop chemistry and consistency. Which would be exactly what we did in '99. And what we should be doing again. Are you a contender? No? Then let's speed things along please. The rest is just a waste of time.
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What makes you think that we are not already there for the most part?

One thing is for sure, you do have to think about the future and right now in our immediate future is the fact that Peja will one of the most talked about players around the trade deadline.
 
thesanityannex said:
Agreed. If this is the bottom, so be it. 50 win seasons when your team is at their low point ain't that bad. Anyways, we're ahead of the Lakers right now, good enough for me at this point.
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I guess about 20 teams in the league could only wish to be in the same situation, eh?
 
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