I have a good feeling

[Spike]

But the point is this: Teams can play a rook straight up even if dude is physical inside. Opponents didn't have that luxury against Ron-Bill. Teams had to give help whenever Ron played off the post. As our roster stands now, NO player is derserving of a consistent double team. That equals TROUBLE.

If we still have that problem next year, then yeah, it's trouble. We may not have that problem by the end of this year. A lack of a "banger" (which I believe is what you're referring to) isn't in itself a problem, depending on scheme. I think the point is that we're working on "growing our own" superstar - he may already be here, but he'll need a season or two. Then again, we may not have one, in which case we'll need to make a big trade or sign a FA - but that's way down the road, beyond 2009.

And that's why Coach Reggie Theus was at first opposed to the deal b/c he knows how reliant the team was on Ron-Bill in our half court sets. We can overcome his loss, and in the long run, be better, but no serious or consistent low post is a glaring weakness going into this season. (Along with team defense and rebounding.)

Again, how do you know we will not have a consistent low post threat? Hawes may be that person by the end of the year. He may not. If we exclusively run the high post offense, we may never have a low post threat, in which case the point is moot.

 

[bench_blob]

Actually, Theus was most likely opposed to the deal because he was STILL convinced the Kings had to get to the playoffs for him to keep his job. And yet, simply getting to the playoffs - especially with Ron Artest in the mix - was problematic at best and another year of disappointment and erosion of the fan base at the worst. By moving Artest, I think it's clear even to Reggie that the ultimate goal is not just to play past mid-April. It's to build a team that will again be playing in June.

We were NOT going to commit to Artest in the long run so it was much better to make the trade now and move on. Petrie did the right thing and Theus really needs to check his ego and take advantage of the opportunity he now has to work with kids who are eager and hungry and, hopefully, without the excessive baggage Artest brought to the mix.

Coach Theus is too confident, call it cocky or arrogant if you want, to believe his job is in jeopardy. Why should it be? He's done an excellent job so far. Hands down the team played a better brand of basketball with similar talent than Moosehead had. The Maloofs and Geoff can see that clear as day. Very few nights did the team roll over and play dead.

But put yourself in his shoes. Would you want to lose the hub of your offense, and anchor of your defense, so to speak? Artest was assigned to the opponents best offensive threat on most nights. Now he is gone. You know the saying "You don't know what you've got..." He will be missed, and he's going to come back to Arco and torch us for 25/15/5 (asst and/or steals).

Even with all the headaches and off-court antics, Coach Theus could count on Artest whenever he played. But that's ancient history, let's move on.

In terms of his personal motivation, I think it'd more accurate to say Reggie's less concerned with being terminated, and more concerned with earning an extension or new contract.

I predicted after a few weeks on the job Reggie would be the Kings coach for the next decade, and there is no reason to indicate the job is not his for the long haul if he wants it.

 

[VF21]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Reggie, whom I have always supported as coach, and his attitude/feelings about the team, his future, etc. I simply don't happen to agree with you, based on a variety of reasons some of which I'm simply not able to share.

And despite your continued belief that all was sunshine, rainbows and unicorns between Theus and Artest, it's simply not that easy.

We'll simply have to agree to disagree on certain aspects...which in time may or may not be resolved.

 

[bench_blob]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Reggie, whom I have always supported as coach, and his attitude/feelings about the team, his future, etc. I simply don't happen to agree with you, based on a variety of reasons some of which I'm simply not able to share.

And despite your continued belief that all was sunshine, rainbows and unicorns between Theus and Artest, it's simply not that easy.

We'll simply have to agree to disagree on certain aspects...which in time may or may not be resolved.

I wasn't talking about their personal relationship, I was talking about Artest's production on the court.

One of Coach Theus strengths as a coach is that he did not allow any personal differences he may have had with a player effect his ability to objectively coach his players. At least if he carried a personal grudge given some of Artest's antics, it was not visible.

So I don't think we are necessarily disagreeing. I am sure we can find something else to disagree about though

 

[VF21]

So I don't think we are necessarily disagreeing. I am sure we can find something else to disagree about though

On that, I am in total and complete agreement.

 

[NyfdRIP343]

If we don't have a post game, then we will just have to go one on one. and who is good at that? johnny salmons....Most improved player runner up next year.

 

[bajaden]

Unlike a lot of the posts, I don't spout off incoherently without basis in reality. I saw J Thom. play in LVSL ALL games, and liked what I saw. He knows how to ball, he has great balance, footwork, energy, and coordination.

But the point is this: Teams can play a rook straight up even if dude is physical inside. Opponents didn't have that luxury against Ron-Bill. Teams had to give help whenever Ron played off the post. As our roster stands now, NO player is derserving of a consistent double team. That equals TROUBLE.

And that's why Coach Reggie Theus was at first opposed to the deal b/c he knows how reliant the team was on Ron-Bill in our half court sets. We can overcome his loss, and in the long run, be better, but no serious or consistent low post is a glaring weakness going into this season. (Along with team defense and rebounding.)

K-Mart needs to improve within the team defensive scheme, but as a one-on-one defender, he is very good. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. Class dismissed.

I don't know quite how to say this without stepping on your toes, but I'll try. I actually agreed with most of this post until you said CLASS DISMISSED. You may not have intended it the way it came acroos. Sort of like lipstick on a pig. However, its a very condescending remark.

There are some very bright people on this fourm. I don't always agree with them, but I would never be disposed to implying that I know more than they do. We simply see things differently. Anyway, enough about that.

I happen to like Reggie and I thought he did a pretty good job last year. But make no mistake. Petrie has an idea of what kind of team he wants on the floor. He likes a team that moves without the ball and has more emphasis on passing the ball. One of many reasons that Artest didn't fit with this team. It may also be a reason that John Salmons won't be around long if he continues to dominate the ball as he is prone to do at times.

You and I, and the rest of the people here, can debate the pro's and con's of Petrie's plan until the sheep come home, but Reggie doesn't have that luxury. He will either adapt or he will be gone. Thats my prediction. I hope that doesn't happen. I hope that Reggie's ego doesn't get in his way. Its a problem that ex-stars have. The very thing that made them great as a player, sometimes hampers them as a coach.

If you look around professional sports, its not an accident that most of the best coaches and managers were people we don't even remember playing professionally. I don't know. Maybe if you spend most of your professional career on the bench, your more comfortable there later as a coach. Or maybe, while your there, you watch and learn.

One final note. You said that you wanted to move on from the Artest debate or whatever you want to call it. I would like to point out, that you were the one that kept bringing him up. I, personally, would be happy if we never discuss him again. Unless its related to a current game.

 

[Larry89]

eh I have a feeling we'll win 30 games next year, but it will be ok

 

[bench_blob]

I don't know quite how to say this without stepping on your toes, but I'll try. I actually agreed with most of this post until you said CLASS DISMISSED. You may not have intended it the way it came acroos. Sort of like lipstick on a pig. However, its a very condescending remark.

There are some very bright people on this fourm. I don't always agree with them, but I would never be disposed to implying that I know more than they do. We simply see things differently. Anyway, enough about that.

I happen to like Reggie and I thought he did a pretty good job last year. But make no mistake. Petrie has an idea of what kind of team he wants on the floor. He likes a team that moves without the ball and has more emphasis on passing the ball. One of many reasons that Artest didn't fit with this team. It may also be a reason that John Salmons won't be around long if he continues to dominate the ball as he is prone to do at times.

You and I, and the rest of the people here, can debate the pro's and con's of Petrie's plan until the sheep come home, but Reggie doesn't have that luxury. He will either adapt or he will be gone. Thats my prediction. I hope that doesn't happen. I hope that Reggie's ego doesn't get in his way. Its a problem that ex-stars have. The very thing that made them great as a player, sometimes hampers them as a coach.

If you look around professional sports, its not an accident that most of the best coaches and managers were people we don't even remember playing professionally. I don't know. Maybe if you spend most of your professional career on the bench, your more comfortable there later as a coach. Or maybe, while your there, you watch and learn.

One final note. You said that you wanted to move on from the Artest debate or whatever you want to call it. I would like to point out, that you were the one that kept bringing him up. I, personally, would be happy if we never discuss him again. Unless its related to a current game.

My little jabs at fellow posters (like Class dismissed) are meant to inject a little life into this boring site. I love the Kings, and this is the main Kings fan board, but the posters tend to be fairly dull and mundane, with a few exceptions. And the moderators are not very friendly. So I like to liven things up with a little spirited opinion-making. It is all in the spirt of sport and competition, it's never personal.

I respect your post, and your civil attitude, and the thoughtfulness of your response. A lot of the posts on this board turn into mean-spirited and dim-witted, so it's nice when someone can display a little maturity and intelligence. So props to you.

I do differ from you in that I do think my opinions are more insightful and on point than the next guy, in general. Of course I have been wrong (once circa 1984) but I have a track record of accurate predictions, 25 years of watching professional hoops, NBA league pass for 5 years running, and played collegiately for Division 2 school for 1.5 years. I know the game more than the housewife coach potato with basic cable (aka V21)

 

[Warhawk]

My little jabs at fellow posters (like Class dismissed) are meant to inject a little life into this boring site. I love the Kings, and this is the main Kings fan board, but the posters tend to be fairly dull and mundane, with a few exceptions. And the moderators are not very friendly. So I like to liven things up with a little spirited opinion-making. It is all in the spirt of sport and competition, it's never personal.

I respect your post, and your civil attitude, and the thoughtfulness of your response. A lot of the posts on this board turn into mean-spirited and dim-witted, so it's nice when someone can display a little maturity and intelligence. So props to you.

I do differ from you in that I do think my opinions are more insightful and on point than the next guy, in general. Of course I have been wrong (once circa 1984) but I have a track record of accurate predictions, 25 years of watching professional hoops, NBA league pass for 5 years running, and played collegiately for Division 2 school for 1.5 years. I know the game more than the housewife coach potato with basic cable (aka V21)

So, are you the only one who doesn't get the hypocracy of your comments? Especially the "class dismissed" comment, negative comments about the posters (and not the posts themselves), and condescending last sentence? Your comments are indeed "mean-spirited and dim-witted" - you would actually be doing us all a favor to follow bajaden's example in his previous post. You yourself said you respect his post and attitude. Maybe try mirroring that once in a while, the board would be better for it.

And the moderators are very friendly, we just don't like suffering fools.

 

[bajaden]

My little jabs at fellow posters (like Class dismissed) are meant to inject a little life into this boring site. I love the Kings, and this is the main Kings fan board, but the posters tend to be fairly dull and mundane, with a few exceptions. And the moderators are not very friendly. So I like to liven things up with a little spirited opinion-making. It is all in the spirt of sport and competition, it's never personal.

I respect your post, and your civil attitude, and the thoughtfulness of your response. A lot of the posts on this board turn into mean-spirited and dim-witted, so it's nice when someone can display a little maturity and intelligence. So props to you.

I do differ from you in that I do think my opinions are more insightful and on point than the next guy, in general. Of course I have been wrong (once circa 1984) but I have a track record of accurate predictions, 25 years of watching professional hoops, NBA league pass for 5 years running, and played collegiately for Division 2 school for 1.5 years. I know the game more than the housewife coach potato with basic cable (aka V21)

Thanks for you response. I'm not going to touch your last sentence. Whats that saying? "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". I won't go into how long I've been watching Pro basketball, along with college basketball. I feel old enough as it is. Lets just say I remember Bob Cousy playing when he was still young.

Watching basketball is pretty much like anything else. Its in the eye of the beholder. Some watch, and some watch and see. I'm sure you'll agree that there is a difference. Gary watches a lot of college basketball. There are times when we'll have both watched the same game and keyed in on the same player. I'm always amazed how he will at times see things that I didn't see, and vice versa.

My point is, that there's no right or wrong to it. I value his opinion, even if at times I may disagree with it. I've been right about a lot of players, but, I have to admit that I've been wrong more than a few times. I try to take the same approach with this fourm. Its difficult at times, and it will test your patience. Not my strong suit. All I can say is that even the dimmest bulb sheds light, even if at times, its light get lost amongst the brighter bulbs.

 

[Bricklayer]

My little jabs at fellow posters (like Class dismissed) are meant to inject a little life into this boring site. I love the Kings, and this is the main Kings fan board, but the posters tend to be fairly dull and mundane, with a few exceptions. And the moderators are not very friendly. So I like to liven things up with a little spirited opinion-making. It is all in the spirt of sport and competition, it's never personal.

I respect your post, and your civil attitude, and the thoughtfulness of your response. A lot of the posts on this board turn into mean-spirited and dim-witted, so it's nice when someone can display a little maturity and intelligence. So props to you.

The first and second paragraphs of this post make no sense together.

 

[Telemachus]

My little jabs at fellow posters (like Class dismissed) are meant to inject a little life into this boring site. I love the Kings, and this is the main Kings fan board, but the posters tend to be fairly dull and mundane, with a few exceptions. And the moderators are not very friendly. So I like to liven things up with a little spirited opinion-making. It is all in the spirt of sport and competition, it's never personal.

It is one thing to try and liven things up with humor or sarcasm, and quite another to make remarks that tear others down. If you don't agree with them, then prove your point with facts in a civil manner. It is the weaker mind that resorts to name-calling (phychology 101).

I do differ from you in that I do think my opinions are more insightful and on point than the next guy, in general. Of course I have been wrong (once circa 1984) but I have a track record of accurate predictions, 25 years of watching professional hoops, NBA league pass for 5 years running, and played collegiately for Division 2 school for 1.5 years. I know the game more than the housewife coach potato with basic cable (aka V21)

I think you will find that there are a lot of people on this board that have credentials that either match yours (or far surpass them). Most don't feel the need to bring it up. I find that you earn the respect of other based on what you say AND how you say it. Having a condesending attitude towards others (whom you don't even know) is not the way to earn respect.

 

[venom_7]

A lot of the posts on this board turn into mean-spirited and dim-witted, so it's nice when someone can display a little maturity and intelligence.

So I take it that the kettle is black? You could do with some of your own lessons.

I do differ from you in that I do think my opinions are more insightful and on point than the next guy, in general. Of course I have been wrong (once circa 1984) but I have a track record of accurate predictions, 25 years of watching professional hoops, NBA league pass for 5 years running, and played collegiate for Division 2 school for 1.5 years. I know the game more than the housewife coach potato with basic cable (aka V21)

Eh, who are you to say you know more than the next guy? No one cares about track records here. And I can guarantee that VF21 knows more about 1) basketball and 2) the Kings organization than you, so you can probably drop that idea off.

Anyway, I am excited for the season. Hell, I live for Kings basketball. I watched 79 games last year. I plan to make the full 82 this year.

 

[VF21]

...So I like to liven things up with a little spirited opinion-making. It is all in the spirt of sport and competition, it's never personal.

Giving the rest of your post all the attention it deserves, I'll restrict my comment to one observation:

People who use the term "it's never personal" are generally simply making excuses for tactless, rude comments.

 

[DaMan]

I don't expect a great season, 30 wins is my prediction, but the future is bright. Even though I did not like the thompson pick at the time, mainly because i did not know who he was, i did like what i saw from him in the suumer league. And the Donte Greene trade was huge, right now he really reminds me of Rashard Lewis but if he improves his dribble the sky is the limit.

For the upcoming season i see a starting lineup samilar to the one we had toward the end of last season. But I really hope to see alot of Martin, Thompson, and Greene on the floor together because i believe this will be our core we will build around, to go along with a future lottery pick. Be cool guys, the team may not look like much now but the future looks really bright.

 

[Sac.1989]

yeah agreed mate, for me personally its not about how many games we win but how we develop as a team and individually thats where its really going to count this season. Hopefully another key aquisition through the draft and a good stab at free agency helps us to get back to our best