How good is it to be the Kings right now? Amazing!

[NoBonus]

I am watching the Free Agency signings and seeing a ton of people being over-paid for way too many years; Especially big men (Darko, Gooden, Amir Johnson for example).

The Kings have their core under contract already, already drastically improved their bigs this offseason via trade and draft, and are not forced to go give a guy like Drew Gooden a 4-year deal. How good does that feel?

The Kings are in a place where they can cherry-pick the right guy/situation/price seeing as their biggest need is a shooter and there are a LOT more good shooters than quality bigs (quality is a term I use loosely). Even if the Kings did not sign anyone and just used camp guys, they would still be a better team than last season... what a great place to be in where every other team is doing crazy things like giving Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay max deals.

Nice work Geoff!

 

[Kingsguy881]

Geoff needs to hang on to his money. I foresee a very big contract for 2 unnamed Kings players in a few years....

 

[mr. moustache]

Yep. Tyreke is going to need/deserve a max contract. Who knows about Cousins, but his top end is definitely a max contract. Thompson, Greene, and Casspi are all capable of >MLE contracts. The top end on any of those guys is well over 10m a year.

I'd like to see us hold onto this capspace until we need to resign guys. I'm definitely amenable to taking short/bad contracts for picks, but I have no interest in anyone not named Lebron.

Geoff needs to hang on to his money. I foresee a very big contract for 2 unnamed Kings players in a few years....

 

[Bricklayer]

I am watching the Free Agency signings and seeing a ton of people being over-paid for way too many years; Especially big men (Darko, Gooden, Amir Johnson for example).

The Kings have their core under contract already, already drastically improved their bigs this offseason via trade and draft, and are not forced to go give a guy like Drew Gooden a 4-year deal. How good does that feel?

The Kings are in a place where they can cherry-pick the right guy/situation/price seeing as their biggest need is a shooter and there are a LOT more good shooters than quality bigs (quality is a term I use loosely). Even if the Kings did not sign anyone and just used camp guys, they would still be a better team than last season... what a great place to be in where every other team is doing crazy things like giving Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay max deals.

Nice work Geoff!

Its been even more ridiculous than normal this time.

Reports are that Mike Miller has been offered 5yrs $30 mil by the Lakers, which should price that possibility out of our range too, so really I am thinking we are probably just going to add a couple of borderline scrubs to fill out those 11th-12th spots and call it an offseason, but we'll see.

What I want to know is how can the owners be on the militant warpath about wanting to drastically slash salaries/cut costs next summer, and be dishing out 5yr $32-34 million deals to Drew Gooden and Amir Johnson, and max deals to guys like Gay and Johnson? Duh.

 

[Kingstime]

Its been even more ridiculous than normal this time.

Reports are that Mike Miller has been offered 5yrs $30 mil by the Lakers, which should price that possibility out of our range too, so really I am thinking we are probably just going to add a couple of borderline scrubs to fill out those 11th-12th spots and call it an offseason, but we'll see.

What I want to know is how can the owners be on the militant warpath about wanting to drastically slash salaries/cut costs next summer, and be dishing out 5yr $32-34 million deals to Drew Gooden and Amir Johnson, and max deals to guys like Gay and Johnson? Duh.

Probably because they don't think they are gonna have to pay em and aren't gonna budge so there will be a lockout when all those talks come up next offseason I think. This does look like a big F U to the whole system in my eyes right now

 

[ElRey]

IN this years free agent frenzy with all these teams with capspace, EVERY free agent player is going to get overpaid grossly. I say stay away and let all these other teams jump off the bridge!

 

[Hallama]

Kings are definitely in a unique situation - their best players they have to wait and see on - Tyreke still needs to define his role more, which I think he will this season, and it will be really interesting to see Cousins this year. They could definitely use some PG depth, a 3pt shooter, and I'm not sold on Casspi or Greene. SF is a position which I think the Kings can upgrade in the next year or so, which would make this team dangerous.

So yeah, hold onto that $ Petrie. Kings only have $13 in committed salary next season - crazy - but of course that doesn't include the options for Evans or Cousins and Whiteside's contracts. I'd estimate they would be at about $28 million if they hold onto everybody that is due an extension like Casspi, Greene, and Thompson. But they could knock those salaries off the cap if they wanted.

 

[pshn80]

It's a good thing to be a Kings fan now because we don't have to compete for the expensive FAs. It's a good thing to be a Kings fan now because we have new talent and high hopes. The down side is that we have more unanswered questions than most teams. Was Evan's first year a fluke, is this the best we're going to feel about Cousins, is Greene a bust, will our guys and their talents work together, will out players meet and hate each other. I guess all that is just to say that we haven't seen these NBA players play let alone play together. I've got my fingers crossed. Be optimistic but realistic.

 

[fnordius]

For any who doubted the importance of our having good position in recent drafts: time to stop doubting. We are experiencing the payoff.

 

[kennadog]

What I want to know is how can the owners be on the militant warpath about wanting to drastically slash salaries/cut costs next summer, and be dishing out 5yr $32-34 million deals to Drew Gooden and Amir Johnson, and max deals to guys like Gay and Johnson? Duh.

Exactly my question in another thread. What are they thinking?

If they actually succeed in cutting salary/shortening guaranteed contracts in the next CBA, these deals are going to be even worse looking and they will be stuck with them.

They certainly are weakening their bargaining position for next year, though.

 

[jalfa]

This kind of has the feeling of a late night Poker match. Most of the players are drunk and fully on tilt, so they go all in with the most retarded cards and the best thing you can do in that situation is staying the hell away. It' usually very satisfying.

 

[piksi]

What would we have to give up to get Beasley from the Heat ?

He would be a low risk and all Heat need is cap space.

 

[LilMissDiva]

IN this years free agent frenzy with all these teams with capspace, EVERY free agent player is going to get overpaid grossly. I say stay away and let all these other teams jump off the bridge!

Agreed. Emphatically.

Stand pat for now. This year is just a learning curve for our youngSTARS anyway.

 

[Amory]

What would we have to give up to get Beasley from the Heat ?

He would be a low risk and all Heat need is cap space.

That would be amazing if we could get him. From what has been said, it sounds like they want to get rid of him but no body wants him.

If we can get him for future second round picks (I'm not the best at how that whole thing works) then I say we do it. If we don't want him at the end of the year then we can just decline the team option.

 

[Amory]

In answer to the OP.

GP is doing a great job. Unless we can get Bosh, Wade, LeBron at the max or Johnson for about 1/2 of what he is going to get paid then I don't want us to spend much money at all.

Of course, pick up some role players....but don't screw us so that we can't spend money for the next 5 years.

 

[Rookie]

IN this years free agent frenzy with all these teams with capspace, EVERY free agent player is going to get overpaid grossly. I say stay away and let all these other teams jump off the bridge!

Remind me of the housing market.. everyone went after houses like crazy then we all know what happened.

Back to the thread:
It's good to be a Kings fan right now. Loving it.

 

[Bricklayer]

What would we have to give up to get Beasley from the Heat ?

He would be a low risk and all Heat need is cap space.

As has been noted in the thread dedicated to him, we no longer need him nor have space for him that isn't filled with better/bigger/more sane individuals who might actually try on both sides asnd won't mess up the locker room. We've probably moved beyond the Michael Beaselys.

We're really pretty set until the inevitable injuries take their toll. In fact we are so set at the 3,4,5 that I hereby declare us virtually immune to injury at any of those positions. I wouldn't mind a little depth at the Sg spot, but as it stands right now we can already matchup wiht anything anybody thrwos at us, with no fewer than 5 guys who all played some there last year spanning everything from biggish PGs (Beno) to huge SFs (Donte).

In terms of depth and having to be players in this free agent market we might actually be in the single best position of any of the 30 teams in the NBA. We don't need anything badly enough to overspend, we've got young comers virtually everywhere, and really we're just looking for a few depth pieces who will not even have to play unless we get hurt.

 

[NoBonus]

What would we have to give up to get Beasley from the Heat ?

He would be a low risk and all Heat need is cap space.

If the Kings want Beasley... they could nab him for cap space alone, I would guess. But maybe they are holding out for Miami to pay part of Beasley's salary or something... Doesn't really fit the Kings major needs at this point, though.

 

[SacKings7]

In defense of the Amir Johnson signing, I think the Raptors actually made a good choice there. He hasn't really shown much yet, but he has the potential to be very good someday. And it's so obvious that Bosh is leaving, it was smart of Colangelo to hang on to any other young guys he has. Probably similar to us re-signing Thompson or Greene next year

 

[pshn80]

We're really pretty set until the inevitable injuries take their toll. In fact we are so set at the 3,4,5 that I hereby declare us virtually immune to injury at any of those positions. I wouldn't mind a little depth at the Sg spot, but as it stands right now we can already matchup wiht anything anybody thrwos at us, with no fewer than 5 guys who all played some there last year spanning everything from biggish PGs (Beno) to huge SFs (Donte).

In terms of depth and having to be players in this free agent market we might actually be in the single best position of any of the 30 teams in the NBA. We don't need anything badly enough to overspend, we've got young comers virtually everywhere, and really we're just looking for a few depth pieces who will not even have to play unless we get hurt.

Agree, you've summarized it quite well IMO. If they can just learn to play good basketball together and better than the other team I'll be happy. First step is get them all together in one gym with a basketball. From that point I'll keep looking for good news reports each day until we get our first win. It's hard for me to be joyous until these guys start to show us something as a team.

 

[piksi]

I just think that Beasley has an upside, two years deal which is cheap - practically no risk at all. If we aren't planning to sign someone anyways - we might try.

They way I see it - JT is as good as he will ever be. Beasley could be way better. Sure, he could end up being trouble but the risk is low, he is young and Heat wants to get rid of him.

 

[Bricklayer]

I just think that Beasley has an upside, two years deal which is cheap - practically no risk at all. If we aren't planning to sign someone anyways - we might try.

They way I see it - JT is as good as he will ever be. Beasley could be way better. Sure, he could end up being trouble but the risk is low, he is young and Heat wants to get rid of him.

I think the questions that have to be asked about Beasely is given our incredible depth, even overdepth up front, under what possible scenario could you see him getting more than spot minutes really? And if he gets spot minutes, under what possible scenario do you see him not ending up smoking a bowl in a white padded room by midseason? And of course if he somehow gets more than spot minutes, under what possible scenario does a 6'7" non-defense playing midget PF fit into what we are doing? And how could he possibly play without damaging our development/ability to evaluate Whiteside, Greene, Casspi etc.?

For the first time in quite possibly the entire Sacramento era (maybe 02-03) we are just completely set up front. There's really no reason to fight that. Might as well kick back, crack open a frosty one, relax for the summer.

 

[Warhawk]

I think the questions that have to be asked about Beasely is given our incredible depth, even overdepth up front, under what possible scenario could you see him getting more than spot minutes really? And if he gets spot minutes, under what possible scenario do you see him not ending up smoking a bowl in a white padded room by midseason? And of course if he somehow gets more than spot minutes, under what possible scenario does a 6'7" non-defense playing midget PF fit into what we are doing? And how could he possibly play without damaging our development/ability to evaluate Whiteside, Greene, Casspi etc.?

For the first time in quite possibly the entire Sacramento era (maybe 02-03) we are just completely set up front. There's really no reason to fight that. Might as well kick back, crack open a frosty one, relax for the summer.

Unless the price for taking him is a future first and cash considerations (both in our direction) and we waive him while the signatures are still wet.....I agree I would not want him wearing the Kings uni though. But maybe if we can wring something else of value from it and waive him immediately I would think about it.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

What would we have to give up to get Beasley from the Heat ?

He would be a low risk and all Heat need is cap space.

You would really want a guy that's been nothing more than a headcase and malcontent??...(I know, I know that's what they said about DMC too), but where would he play? We suddenly have a full frontcourt rotation...would he be 12th-13th man? The frontline already has Thompson, Cousins , and Dalembert , not to mention Whiteside too...Brockness more than likely too. Where would Beasley fit?

 

[Bricklayer]

You would really want a guy that's been nothing more than a headcase and malcontent??...(I know, I know that's what they said about DMC too), but where would he play? We suddenly have a full frontcourt rotation...would he be 12th-13th man? The frontline already has Thompson, Cousins , and Dalembert , not to mention Whiteside too...Brockness more than likely too. Where would Beasley fit?

Landry

Brockness is #6 actually. Which is pretty silly. Deepest team in the league up front, at least in potential/wanna see them playness.

 

[Tetsujin]

Deepest team in the league up front, at least in potential/wanna see them playness.

How good does it feel to be able to say that?

 

[Chupacabra]

Landry

Brockness is #6 actually. Which is pretty silly. Deepest team in the league up front, at least in potential/wanna see them playness.

Seriously. The Kings built the deepest frontcourt in the league in about a week. Im still in disbelief!

 

[DocHolliday]

It's a good thing to be a Kings fan now because we don't have to compete for the expensive FAs. It's a good thing to be a Kings fan now because we have new talent and high hopes. The down side is that we have more unanswered questions than most teams. Was Evan's first year a fluke, is this the best we're going to feel about Cousins, is Greene a bust, will our guys and their talents work together, will out players meet and hate each other. I guess all that is just to say that we haven't seen these NBA players play let alone play together. I've got my fingers crossed. Be optimistic but realistic.

I've heard a couple people say they aren't sold on Green or Casspil...I don't get it. Donte showed tremendous improvement last year. He is a super athletic guy who is still working on his offensive game, but becoming an incredible defender. We could be talking about a 6' 11" Bruce Bowen. Except he's more athletic so he'll go to the hole and dunk on people, as well as step outside for a 3, and can guard a few positions because of his athleticism.

Casspi was on fire before he hit the wall. The very reason he hit the wall was well documented. He was too nice and said yes to every public engagement in every city. Until around the all star break when the organization said we are handling this for you for the rest of the season. They told him he has to know when to say no nicely, and say maybe next, or in the offseason let's schedule something. By that time I think he was too worn down.

So we'll see how his stamina is this year.

 

[piksi]

I have a feeling that you are overestimating our depth a bit

 

[sdballer]

I think our frontcourt depth is completely set. It doesn't mean all of the guys will pan out and that we are stacked with proven commodities but we have enough potential we need to explore that adding any other pieces there is foolish.

That being said, I am surprised people think we're set in the backcourt. We have 3 players, 2 of whom have durability concerns. And our star player, who everyone says is a point guard (and I agree that's a position he can excel at), currently starts next to a point guard that does nothing to optimize Tyreke's offensive or defensive matchups.

Now I agree we shouldn't spend unwisely on someone that isn't a fit at the 2, but I'm just perplexed how so many Kings fans seem to think the backcourt issues were settled through adding 3 bigs this offseason.