How Can We Trade Thomas & SAR?

[Kingster]

I don't like either one of them. SAR is a nice guy, I'll say that for him. He's tough too. But watching him "run" up and down the court is painful, almost like watching Ralph Sampson. Heck, give him a couple of years and he'll be Ralph Sampson. And Thomas has got to have the lowest basketball IQ in the entire NBA. Traveling, 3 second calls, throwing in-bounds passes to the wrong team, missing layups. Of course he's also as self-centered as they come. At this point I'd rather see Garcia and Salmons play the 4 and get mauled by Utah than watch those two.

What are the odds these guys are still on this team next year? Does anyone in the NBA want these guys?

 

[nbrans]

SAR definitely has value, especially after the playoffs as everyone is reminded, for the hundredth time, that low-post scoring is valuable. Chicago and Dallas in particular really could have used him. He's a fair deal, and anyone who watched this season knows that Muss didn't put him in the post, where he actually could have been valuable. Instead he was a jumpshooter, and actually not a terrible one. He looks like he's slowed down, but he's also the type of player who doesn't really try as hard on defense and the boards unless he's scoring, and then you're back to the problem of Muss not putting him in the post.

Thomas could be packaged in a trade, but he doesn't have much value on his own.

 

[Bricklayer]

My fear is that our GM is the one guy who still wants them.

But if that proves to not be true, SAR is moveable. Probably half a dozen teams we could dump him on if Geoff just pulls his head out and gets it done before he deteriorates any further. I think at this point he's clearly just a roleplayer off the bench on a good team though. And it would have to be somebody with some real men up front to take care of all the big man things Reef is not going to provide. PJ Brown replacement in Chicago maybe behind Thomas. Horry replacement for the Spurs. That sort of thing.

KT....eh, very hard to see that happening unless its part of some megadeal. Was thinking that if Adelman does get the Houston job, maybe, just maybe, we could sucker them into that. Kenny played ok for Rick, and they remember him from his younger years. They also have no salary cap room and few assets, and need two new starters at PF and PG, so maybe a low level deal for Kenny burning Sura's ending deal + a second minor piece of some sort might be possible as the best they can do.

 

[Kingster]

My fear is that our GM is the oen guy who still wants them.

LOL. Now that is a nightmare.

But if that proves to not be true, SAR is moveable. Probably half a dozen teams we could dump him on if Geoff just pulls his head out and gets it done before he deteriorates any further.

KT....eh, very hard to see that happening unless its part of some megadeal. Was thinking that if Adelman does get the Houston job, maybe, just maybe, we could sucker them into that. Kenny played ok for Rick, and they remember him form his younger years. They also have no salary cap room and few assets, and need tow new starters at PF and PG, so maybe a low level deal for Kenny burning Sura's ending deal + a second minor peice of some sort might be possible as the best they can do.

I like the Adelman thought. Without looking up the stats, Houston doesn't seem like a great rebounding team. So maybe? If Petrie trades him without us being saddled with a big contract for a lousy player, he gets mega-points..

 

[nbrans]

Except Houston already has Chuck Hayes, who is pretty much the same type of player as Kenny Thomas, only much better defensively and much cheaper.

 

[Merdiesel]

KT needs to go now. I can handle SAR coming off the bench getting limited minutes.

 

[ParniValjak]

Trading KT is just about impossible. SAR is very tradeable.

If the organizations is looking to trade SAR, there certainly will be teams that are interested. He is still a good bench player and has a reasonable contract.

KT, on the other hand, well we are stuck with him. Hopefully some team is dumb enough to take him or we can negotiate some sort of a buy out with him.

 

[Smills91]

Artest/Thomas

for

J-Will/Doleac/D. Wright

 

[Bricklayer]

Except Houston already has Chuck Hayes, who is pretty much the same type of player as Kenny Thomas, only much better defensively and much cheaper.

Kenny is considerably more skilled -- again it would be predicated on Adelman as coach. Thomas has a jumper, can even pass a little. He's a ****, but is somebody Rick would likely be more comfortable with than a pure hustle guy.

 

[Bricklayer]

Artest/Thomas

for

J-Will/Doleac/D. Wright

And their pick, and cheerfully done.

 

[nbrans]

Kenny is considerably more skilled -- again it would be predicated on Adelman as coach. Thomas has a jumper, can even pass a little. He's a ****, but is somebody Rick would likely be more comfortable with than a pure hustle guy.

Thomas had a jumper. Now he can't even shoot a free throw.

 

[Spike]

Thomas will have value the minute he realizes coming off the bench for a contender is his only hope.

 

[NoBonus]

We could trade them both if a miracle occurred.

 

[diggining]

If we include Kevin Martin, I'm sure a lot of teams will be interested.

 

[ParniValjak]

And their pick, and cheerfully done.

Yeah but I don't think the Heat would do it even without the pick.

Why exactly do they need another undersized PF. With Haslem, Walker and that kid whose name escapes me, they are pretty much set with undersized PFs even though they see Walker more as a SF.

I would gladly do it but Heat wouldn't have a bar of it IMHO.

 

[Rain man]

How about KT/Corliss/SAR for Webber... Or we could trade SAR for Skinner and trade KT/Corliss/Skinner for Webber

I can think of one GM that fell for that package hook, line, and sinker...

 

[hearns]

I think the Nets is still a good team for KT. Jason Collins+Cliff Robinson for KT works. Robinson is expiring and Collins have 2 years left on his contract. Some people think that NJ wouldn't do that but see the statistics of Collins:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_collins/index.html
FG=.364
FT=.465
RPG=4
APG=.5
PPG=2.1

The guy is horrible, at least KT could help the Nets withouth adding more salary.

Krstic/(Moore)/Ilic
Thomas/Boone
Jefferson/Nachbar
(Carter)/Wright
Kidd/Williams

For the Kings, the reason is Collins expires one year sooner.

Other trade I've been thinking for get rid of KT is Artest+KT for Kwame Brown+Brian Cook+Sasha Vujacic. We get two expiring and a back up big at 3.5 mill/year. Doubtful someone gives more for Artest, at least here we dump a bad contrac.

 

[Entity]

I think we could dump SAR on Dallas right now with no problem. If Dallas had SAR they would have been playing the Jazz. SAR dominated the post against GS when we played them getting close to 30 pts and 14 reb.

 

[supamari0]

Kenny is considerably more skilled -- again it would be predicated on Adelman as coach. Thomas has a jumper, can even pass a little. He's a ****, but is somebody Rick would likely be more comfortable with than a pure hustle guy.

Our new GM is a pure stats guy who wants to introduce sabermaterics into basketball.

KT is the last player you'd ever want if you're using statistical analysis to justify a move.

 

[Smills91]

Yeah but I don't think the Heat would do it even without the pick.

Why exactly do they need another undersized PF. With Haslem, Walker and that kid whose name escapes me, they are pretty much set with undersized PFs even though they see Walker more as a SF.

I would gladly do it but Heat wouldn't have a bar of it IMHO.

The Heat do this for some guy named, Artest, I heard he's crazy, but that's what makes him good.

 

[LA King Fan II]

Seems easy.

Surely these players would make any lucky taker much more flexible down the road....

 

[steelevt]

hey guys, been reading up on the forum for awhile but with the lottery coming up i decided to join in on some conversation. if the grizz win the lottery and pick odom, some analyst are saying they might move gasol to get a pg. how about KT and someone like corliss or SAR (or anyone to make the salaries match up) and our draft pick. i know alot of people are saying we need to rebuild, but a front court with miller, gasol, and artest sounds pretty good to me. so we get rid of KT and get a starting PF. grizz will already get odom in the draft, a backup PF and a draft pick to get their pg. just a thought.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

I don't think we can trade the two together, but judging on today's Yahoo report, what about this?

DEN GETS:
SF Artest
PF Thomas
2008 First Rd. Pick

SAC GETS:
PF Evans
C Camby
SF Kleiza

Thoughts? It would mean us taking on Evans' deal, and more money in Camby, but would rid us of two headaches and solve problems immensely if SAR was moved as well.

 

[VF21]

I don't think we can trade the two together, but judging on today's Yahoo report, what about this?

DEN GETS:
SF Artest
PF Thomas
2008 First Rd. Pick

SAC GETS:
PF Evans
C Camby
SF Kleiza

Thoughts? It would mean us taking on Evans' deal, and more money in Camby, but would rid us of two headaches and solve problems immensely if SAR was moved as well.

At some point, we have to bite the bullet and quit looking for the quick fix. I think THIS is the time. Camby is injury-prone, Evans is useless and Klieza has his best games AGAINST the Kings.

I do not want to see us trade away our 2008 first-round pick for that kind of package, even if it does have the attraction of ridding us of KT.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't think we can trade the two together, but judging on today's Yahoo report, what about this?

DEN GETS:
SF Artest
PF Thomas
2008 First Rd. Pick

SAC GETS:
PF Evans
C Camby
SF Kleiza

Thoughts? It would mean us taking on Evans' deal, and more money in Camby, but would rid us of two headaches and solve problems immensely if SAR was moved as well.

We're rebuilding, we just can't be adding 34 year old centers and giving up first round picks. At his age, Camby needs to be going to some team that plans on contending next year. All he does for a rebuilding team is kill capspace and hurt draft position (which of course you don't even have if you burn your first round pick). And since he is due to head into decline quite soon, the asset you just traded for is also going to start declining in value quite soon, leaving you with no asset, no pick, no cap room, and, well, just duh.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

I know, I know. I honestly just want to be done with Ron. And this would solve one of those issues. What about a straight-up Camby for Ron trade?