Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Alright!
Next up the rebuild after they trade us CP3 for Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and our #1.
Next up the rebuild after they trade us CP3 for Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and our #1.
Hornets-Kings (split from Scott fired thread)
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Alright!
Next up the rebuild after they trade us CP3 for Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and our #1.
OK, so Kevin and Beno make about $2M more than Paul next year, so that would leave us with about $38.5M committed and a salary cap around $57M, enough to offer $18.5M to Bosh. (Psst! Hey Chris! Come play with CP3 and Evans on a relatively young team!)
The nine-man rotation becomes (starters in bold):
Paul (PG)
Evans (SG/PG)
Garcia (SG/SF)
Nocioni (SF/PF)
Casspi (SF/SG)
Greene (SF/PF)
Bosh (PF/C)
Thompson (PF/C)
Hawes (C)
(OK, not sure about whether to bring Hawes or Thompson off the bench, but hey, let that one figure itself out.)
Paul would be locked up for two years, Bosh for long-term, and we'd still only be at the salary cap, giving ourselves some room for Hawes and Thompson (mid-levelish, $6-8M per? Hopefully?) and eventual Evans ($$$) extensions.
That might just be a championship-contending team only two offseasons removed from 17 wins.
Not that I think NOH will dump Paul like that, but still...
Widowmaker2k
Bench
OK, so Kevin and Beno make about $2M more than Paul next year, so that would leave us with about $38.5M committed and a salary cap around $57M, enough to offer $18.5M to Bosh. (Psst! Hey Chris! Come play with CP3 and Evans on a relatively young team!)
The nine-man rotation becomes (starters in bold):
Paul (PG)
Evans (SG/PG)
Garcia (SG/SF)
Nocioni (SF/PF)
Casspi (SF/SG)
Greene (SF/PF)
Bosh (PF/C)
Thompson (PF/C)
Hawes (C)
(OK, not sure about whether to bring Hawes or Thompson off the bench, but hey, let that one figure itself out.)
Paul would be locked up for two years, Bosh for long-term, and we'd still only be at the salary cap, giving ourselves some room for Hawes and Thompson (mid-levelish, $6-8M per? Hopefully?) and eventual Evans ($$$) extensions.
That might just be a championship-contending team only two offseasons removed from 17 wins.
Not that I think NOH will dump Paul like that, but still...
I like that
. If you're following the Boston model, you might have to throw in JT or Spencer, but whatever. It's worth it for the best PG in the game. If only NOH were on board...
Wuster
Starter
Pull the trigger on that!Alright!
Next up the rebuild after they trade us CP3 for Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and our #1.
M_Barragan
Bench
One can dream.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Not sure why this was split off for the Scott fired thread -- it was a comical aside, not a trade proposal.
Probably because I ran with it as if there were a chance of it happening and tried to see what shoe might drop next. Normally the idea of Paul being available would be silly, but with the way things are going this season and Scott getting canned...if I squint really hard I can see Paul asking out of NO, and then if I pull out a telescope I can see NO trying to accommodate him.
But I probably should have made clearer that it more fantasizing than a serious trade proposal...
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AriesMar27
Guest
it sounds crazy but the idea of trading martin and our #1 pick is a pretty good offer for chris paul... we were really bad last season and everyone expects this team to be just as bad especially after martin's injury... if we are bottom dwellers or out of playoff contention by trade deadline why not? or on draft night...
if we could dump beno on them with martin as brick suggested it would be worth it even if it was for a 1 year rental of paul. one year of paul and evans could become something special. paul has never played with another guard as good as evans or martin now that i think about it. he's been a one man backcourt his entire career...
if we could dump beno on them with martin as brick suggested it would be worth it even if it was for a 1 year rental of paul. one year of paul and evans could become something special. paul has never played with another guard as good as evans or martin now that i think about it. he's been a one man backcourt his entire career...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I would be stunned if they gave up Paul, but stranger things have happened. Thompson would automaticaly become better, because Paul likes big men that run the floor. Now you somehow throw Bosh into that picture, and suddenly were a power in the west again. One can dream...
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I would be stunned to, but as each day passes I think there is a greater chance CP3 gets moved. Paul has always been the epitomy of a team player, but after seeing the franchise spiral downward I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that he demands a trade behind closed doors. They need talent, and cap relief, two things we can provide. But its still early...
Nighthawk1
Starter
I agree with what you say here even though we both agree chances are slim they'll trade CP3...
I think though the original deal probably needs to be Beno = KT for it to be more plausible... Really depends on NO's view of Beno i think
M_Barragan
Bench
The owners of NO are broke as well... They can't afford to sign anyone. Can't remember what article it was, think it was the one discussing the incident between Rando and CP3 that discussed how tjhe owner of the hornets runs it like a mom and pop with family members up high on the latter because he cant afford to pay legit executives.
It's not just that, the owner is actively trying to shed money, and has been trying for a long time. I don't think they'd trade for that kind of offer, they might ask for one more of our pieces. I don't think they'd be averse to trading Paul. This is not a proud franchise doing anything they can to win a title. Their priority has been to shed money.
sidney
Starter
Assuming Paul is not a possibility, what about trading KT for Okafor? He's about the same age as Martin and is a solid defender, shot blocker, rebounder.
NO is set to be over the luxury line both this year and next year. This will give them slight relief this year (4m) and lots of relief next year.
NO is set to be over the luxury line both this year and next year. This will give them slight relief this year (4m) and lots of relief next year.
CalsFinest
G-League
I would love that!^ I could actually see that happening.
sidney
Starter
From a talent standpoint, it's completely one sided in our favor and we get a major talent essentially for free. Strategically though, it would be a boost for NO. Go from mediocre bad and over the tax line to REALLY bad, save a ton of money, get two high lotto picks the next two years, have a ton of cap space in 2011, and then see where you are at. All in time to resign their superstar Paul in 2012 when his contract is up.
NoBonus
Starter
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5280893
KT + Sergio for Okafor
but they would more likely want Hawes or JT in that equation.
And you would convince Paul to basically waste two years of his career for a chance at success? There is no guarantee, as Kings have shown, that you will get a high draft pick. There is no guarantee that the pick will pan out. Paul is a fiery guy, a competitor. It's one thing to have a franchise player, completely another to have a happy franchise player. Trust me, two huge differences. Kobe basically threw a game because he was unhappy. Paul might go on a killing spree.
NoBonus
Starter
Looking up and down at New Orleans... They have a lot of salary tied up in Peja, C3P0, Wes,t and Okafor... and Nocioni has better stats than Peja! Zoinks!
HIlton Armstrong is an ender and Sergio + Donte (Or May or Udoka) = Hilton
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5280912
Not sure I would do that...but if you needed a backup center and an ender rolled up into one...
HIlton Armstrong is an ender and Sergio + Donte (Or May or Udoka) = Hilton
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5280912
Not sure I would do that...but if you needed a backup center and an ender rolled up into one...
sidney
Starter
Sure, he would grumble now. The key is for him to not be grumbling when he can actually opt out of his contract and leave. The team is over the luxury tax and horrible with Paul, West, and Okafor. If they dive down for 2 years they could have 2 very nice pieces next to Paul/West + major cap space to sign one more.
This is like the mistake Cleveland made with Lebron. They kept trying to build a contender now instead of building great young pieces through the draft that would be peaking right around the time Lebron had to make a decision. Instead they have a bunch of old guys or mediocre talent. Unless they get to the finals at least, there is not much reason for Lebron to stay now that decision time is almost here
Hmm, I didn't actually realize that. So his outgoing value to the Hornets is only about $6.75M.
It looks like we could just barely do it:
Kevin + Beno ($15.71M)
for
Paul + Songaila + Devin Brown + Bobby Brown ($19.89M for us, $13.13M for NOH)
We could absorb the extra money because we'd still be under the cap (by 100K), for NOH it works under the 125% + 100K rule.
Of course, Songaila would add another $4.8M to our salary next year, damaging our chances of making a big splash in the free agent market (we'd be at about $43.3M next year, which would leave us with about $14M in cap space if the cap stayed constant).
I guess the point is that IF New Orleans were to try to ship off CP3, they'd have to do it to a team with cap space if they do it this year, and we're one of the few cap space teams. I don't see it happening, as others have said, without Evans (which I wouldn't be too high on doing) but there's still a chance without getting too unreasonable.
As much as I do agree with you, this will never work. There is a reason the Lakers rebuilt on the fly. There is a reason Cleveland rebuilt on the fly. All it takes is ONE bad season for a superstar to go bonkers. They've all done it. There is no superstar that will be happy. Dwayne Wade is an exception because he was basically injured for two years. Your scenario above will never happen because players have too much pride. In themselves, in their immage, in their paychecks. One season, and Paul will be forcing his way out, forcing the team to take less that what he's worth.
beb0p
Starter
If you're the Hornets' GM and you want to trade Chris Paul to Sacramento. Who'd you want from the Kings? Honestly, who'd you want for your superstar? You take one look at the Kings' roster and there's one name that immediately jumps at you.
Tyreke Evans.
The Hornets may be broke but they're not dumb. So the question is, do you prefer Evans or Paul as the PG?
Now, if CP3 plays for Memphis then we can probably trade KT9 for him straight up.
Tyreke Evans.
The Hornets may be broke but they're not dumb. So the question is, do you prefer Evans or Paul as the PG?
Now, if CP3 plays for Memphis then we can probably trade KT9 for him straight up.
sidney
Starter
I see what you are saying but your logic is Danny Ferry's logic. If you agree with the way he dealt with Cleveland....don't know what to say.
Cleveland rebuilt on the fly trying to keep Lebron happy and now they have no cap space and no major talent. It would have been better to pee off Lebron 2-3 years ago with losing and have 1-2 high lotto picks on the team today rather than the block of aging mediocrity they have now. Seriously, will that team win 20 games next year if Lebron leaves? They better slip that guy loyalty pills this year because there doesn't seem to be any other reason for him to stay.
Anyway, NO is bad already. Chris Paul is not happy already. So it's just a difference of him being angry at 10th place rather than really really angry at 14th? At least if they hit the cellar there is some hope.
