Hilton Armstrong

Kingsforlife

Prospect
Ok when i saw the trade i was somewhat happy, (i did messaged joe and gavin maloof about my trade last night) but when i found out the Kings traded cash and a second round pick for a player that can leave in the summer........ not a good trade at all. Man i would be so much better than Petrie lol, he only finds talent in the draft and all of his trades and signings are usually ****.
 
I think we got the cash actually, not traded it away.

That's common in these sorts of deals as kind of a bribe to pay for the salary of the player you took on.
 
Yes, you would be so much better than Petrie.

I always wonder how great the Kings would be if only we would use the self-proclaimed GM's from kingsfans.com.
 
I'm starting to think it's quite a problem there. Fantasy Games have too impact on the american fandom. Always with the stats here and there, rankings everywere...people treat players like pokemons...

I wouldn't have done it, but let's the guy have an opportunity with the Kings shirt at least...
 
Dude... I saw your trade and it was horrible. Helping the Lakers would be freaking dumb. I'm glad we have Petrie over you, over most of the people on this board. I like the move. WHAT IS WRONG with taking a flyer on a 6'11'' big that has some athleticism and had a good college career!? Dude might not be very good, or might never be more than a back up, but at the same time he's always been behind Chandler or now Okafor and West in NO, and never had anyone develop him. We actually have big man coaches in Shareef and Truck so maybe we can salvage this guy's career. If not, we didn't give anything up, and we got some cash for it, and he can be traded at the deadline with K9 since he's an expiring contract. You didn't even know the conditions of the trade(we got the cash, we didn't even give up a real pick):rolleyes:
 
Just think Petrie will give him mid level to him that why i think its dumb. Petrie has made so many bad trades/signings but he drafts great, especially last year. Mikki Moore mid level lol, webber trade was **** (even if rahim played), salmons was a gem but trading that for Noch wow that was smart. They choose Christie and Songolia over Wallace when the expansion draft happened. Peja for Artest trade really didnt mean much since Peja was still good till he was a fa. At least he got Evans and Casspi amazing draft.
 
Just think Petrie will give him mid level to him that why i think its dumb. Petrie has made so many bad trades/signings but he drafts great, especially last year. Mikki Moore mid level lol, webber trade was **** (even if rahim played), salmons was a gem but trading that for Noch wow that was smart. They choose Christie and Songolia over Wallace when the expansion draft happened. Peja for Artest trade really didnt mean much since Peja was still good till he was a fa. At least he got Evans and Casspi amazing draft.

Umm, he never chose Songaila over Wallace. It was Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie (who was the anchor of our defense, it'd be stupid not to protect him), Bibby, Jackson, ....Hedo? maybe, and Peeler. Peeler was the obvious mistake, but he just as easily could've left Webber unprotected. No way a new franchise was gonna take on that contract. But I understand that it was more a sign of respect than anything else.

Not sure if you're serious about the Salmons for Noc deal being smart, but it actually was. Noc's deal decreases each year, while Salmons deal increases. Noc isn't a ball hog either
 
Just think Petrie will give him mid level to him that why i think its dumb.
What evidence do you have for this? We will actually have some free money available to sign one of those highly vaunted phantom free agents to a deal.
Petrie has made so many bad trades/signings but he drafts great, especially last year.
Questionable, yes, but not bad. We made the choice to rebuild, which essentially consists of dismantling the old building and selling off the scraps for spare parts that you hope fit together with the shiny new pieces.

mikki Moore mid level lol,
Here, I must agree with you. But he wasn't a crap player, he was actually moderately useful just not a guy worth the full MLE.

webber trade was **** (even if rahim played),
People tend to forget that at the time we were happy to get rid of C-Webb for "movable pieces". All three guys we acquired contributed for us, but weren't moved. K9 had several triple doubles for us the first couple of years he was here before being banished to the bench in favor of the aforementioned Most Invisible Man With Dreadlocks. Brian Skinner had a few games for us where he posted ridiculous stats and played semi-solid post defense. Big Nasty contributed to the best of his abilities during Muss's Titanic year and became one of the few Kings from the (very early) glory days to actually retire a King.

salmons was a gem but trading that for Noch wow that was smart.
Actually it was smart. The only thing worse than having Noce on this team right now would be having Salmons on the Kings. People like to complain about Tyreke's "lack of ball movement" but Salmons seemed to be convinced that he was Kobe during his last year here. And looking at Chicago's fan sites, it appears that much hasn't changed as he is consistently lambasted for stealing the ball away from the team's hot stud former Memphis Tiger PG. I can assure you that the same would be happening here. He would be a horrible horrible fit for our team since he is essentially 'Reke without the beastliness, clutch ability, room for improvement, and general skill. Plus that deal got us out from beneath the crushing wings of Miller's albatross contract. So in conclusion, Noce is bad but Salmons is worse.

They choose Christie and Songolia over Wallace when the expansion draft happened.

Oh Come on! You've got to remember that at this point, Christie was the glue holding the last battered bits of our team together! Wallace was a super athletic SF/SG that sucked at pretty much anything except dunking and getting hurt. He also had a propensity for Donte-esque chucking. At that point he was nothing but potential and we were still looking towards the Western Conference Finals. Songaila was also a pretty good contributor for us off of the bench in those days, not necessarily a guy who should have been placed above Wallace but what are you going to do? What happened happened.

Peja for Artest trade really didnt mean much since Peja was still good till he was a fa.
Most people 'round here think the Maloofs were more responsible for this trade than Petrie. Pedja also was sucking eggs his last season here and the Artest trade essentially jump started the franchise to a (near(sorta))Upset of the Spurs in the Playoffs. On his good days, Ron was an excellent player. On his bad days, well, Ron was Ron-Ron the Clown. The Pedja trade led to the Ron-Ron Trade which netted us Casspi/Greene/ Bobby Jackson, which is looking like the rosier side of the trade since Ron Ron bolted for LA a year later anyways.
At least he got Evans and Casspi amazing draft.

That draft night wouldn't have happened without some of the aforementioned "bad trades". If we don't trade away some of our old talent, we win a few more games and we end up with Jordan Hill or Tyler Hansborough. If we don't pull the Pedja trade, we end up not trading Ron Ron and getting Greene/ the pick that turned into Omri. I know it's hard to look past single moves, but GMing a team is truly like putting together a puzzle. It's time to stop looking at the individual pieces and look at the entire puzzle itself.
 
I call shenanagins on the part where you said ppl were ready to get rid of C-Webb. I cursed Petrie for all he was worth that evening. In fact I think I got banned that night as well as Many Many Many others.
 
I call shenanagins on the part where you said ppl were ready to get rid of C-Webb. I cursed Petrie for all he was worth that evening. In fact I think I got banned that night as well as Many Many Many others.

By people I meant Grant Napear and his man crush on any object that moves and hasn't been with the Kings longer than a season. And I'm sure there were quite a few "fans" who were overjoyed at the C-Webb decision. I don't really remember much about those days (football induced brain damage tends to do that).
 
Depends on your definition of crap. At least he was excited to make a basket (which is probably because of the fact he rarely made a basket). At the same time, he is still more useful to a team than Sean May.
 
Umm, he never chose Songaila over Wallace. It was Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie (who was the anchor of our defense, it'd be stupid not to protect him), Bibby, Jackson, ....Hedo? maybe, and Peeler. Peeler was the obvious mistake, but he just as easily could've left Webber unprotected.

Nope, not Peeler either. I am consistently surprised at the number of people who have this misconception. Both Peeler and Songaila were free agents that summer and were not eligible to be protected. We "protected" Peeler so effectively he ended up signing a contract with the Wizards! (Songaila did return for one more year, though.)
 
Just think Petrie will give him mid level to him that why i think its dumb.

Oh, don't worry. None of that weak MLE stuff for Hilton! He's OUR player now, we have his Bird Rights, so Petrie can offer him a max contract! 6 years, $102.55M for Hilton Armstrong, baby!
 
Depends on your definition of crap. At least he was excited to make a basket (which is probably because of the fact he rarely made a basket). At the same time, he is still more useful to a team than Sean May.

ok I guess we can throw him that bone (although he will most likely kick it out of bounds)
 
Depends on your definition of crap. At least he was excited to make a basket (which is probably because of the fact he rarely made a basket). At the same time, he is still more useful to a team than Sean May.

Why does everyone keep saying he's more useful than may or at least it means may won't see the court? May sucks but he's had a far more successful career than Hilton. Hilton has sucked his entire 4 year career. Shoot he sucked most of his college career too.
 
Nope, not Peeler either. I am consistently surprised at the number of people who have this misconception. Both Peeler and Songaila were free agents that summer and were not eligible to be protected. We "protected" Peeler so effectively he ended up signing a contract with the Wizards! (Songaila did return for one more year, though.)
The kings did protect Peeler over Wallace.
 
The kings did protect Peeler over Wallace.

Did you read what you just quoted or are you just going to keep reflexively repeating the wrong information? The Capt is exactly correct. Peeler was not even our player when the expansion draft happened. The mistake was not thinking ahead and giving him a two year deal the previous summer so that he could count as our exposed player when the draft came around. There was never any choice to be made between Peeler and Wallace.
 
Why does everyone keep saying he's more useful than may or at least it means may won't see the court? May sucks but he's had a far more successful career than Hilton. Hilton has sucked his entire 4 year career. Shoot he sucked most of his college career too.

Did you actually pay attention to who was being discussed in that post? We were talking about Mikki Moore. And it's too early to decide how much Hilton will contribute to our team. Just saying, it's nearly impossible to contribute less to this team than Sean May is since Hilton would have to find a way to average negative stats.
 
Did you read what you just quoted or are you just going to keep reflexively repeating the wrong information? The Capt is exactly correct. Peeler was not even our player when the expansion draft happened. The mistake was not thinking ahead and giving him a two year deal the previous summer so that he could count as our exposed player when the draft came around. There was never any choice to be made between Peeler and Wallace.
OK, let's clear this up once and for all. According to the rules of the expansion draft, a team cannot protect an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

According to this report, the deadline for reporting the list of protected players for a team was June 11th, 2004.

According to this report, Peeler had an option for another season with the Kings, but he opted out of that additional year and was not a free agent until July 1st.

So let's look at this timeline:

May 2004 - Kings lose in the playoffs. Their season is over.

June 11th - the deadline for protected players to be reported.

July 1st - Peeler becomes a free agent after opting out.

July 29th - Peeler signs with Washington.


So while unrestricted free agents cannot be protected, Peeler was not a free agent until July 1st, well after the deadline to protect players. He was eligible for protection according to this timeline unless somebody can give me the exact protected list.
 
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