hey its not all bad... some good news

[sactownfan]

I believe that although highly unusual how we did it... Petrie got his guy... and at the end of the day we upgraded our roster again...

Trading Carl Landry for thornton was a great move... drafting Evans and cousins... great moves... trading spencer hawes and Noc for Sam D was a great move... PETRIE HAS BEEN DOING GREAT

everyone needs to calm down... YES like a lot of you I too thought "what the hell?" when i saw this trade... but

if Salmons hadn't played here already would we be so upset? hes a big time up grade over Green and Casspi and will be way more consistent. hes a proven vet that can defend, and has no major health conserns.

keep this in mind to. Eric Muss and Reggie Theus were his coaches here... and our team was just aweful. John Salmons sorta had to be the go to guy...

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plus everyone seems to like Jimmer !!!! as someone on espn pointed out a back court of Evans, Jimmer, Thornton will be fun to watch... thornton and Jimmer (even Salmons 379% 3pt) are the deep range shooters we need to help spread the floor for Evans and Cousins...

Beno was steady but not a good 3pt shooter... we needed shooters today we loaded up!

Salmons is an upgrade not the answer forever... and his contract isn't toxic, he could be moved again... hes healthy

.................

all thats missing now is whos playing the 5 and were all set. a few more years for Evans and Cousins to grow... and we could be back!!!

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I believe that although highly unusual how we did it... Petrie got his guy... and at the end of the day we upgraded our roster again...

Trading Carl Landry for thornton was a great move... drafting Evans and cousins... great moves... trading spencer hawes and Noc for Sam D was a great move... PETRIE HAS BEEN DOING GREAT

everyone needs to calm down... YES like a lot of you I too thought "what the hell?" when i saw this trade... but

if Salmons hadn't played here already would we be so upset? hes a big time up grade over Green and Casspi and will be way more consistent. hes a proven vet that can defend, and has no major health conserns.

keep this in mind to. Eric Muss and Reggie Theus were his coaches here... and our team was just aweful. John Salmons sorta had to be the go to guy...

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plus everyone seems to like Jimmer !!!! as someone on espn pointed out a back court of Evans, Jimmer, Thornton will be fun to watch... thornton and Jimmer (even Salmons 379% 3pt) are the deep range shooters we need to help spread the floor for Evans and Cousins...

Beno was steady but not a good 3pt shooter... we needed shooters today we loaded up!

Salmons is an upgrade not the answer forever... and his contract isn't toxic, he could be moved again... hes healthy

.................

all thats missing now is whos playing the 5 and were all set. a few more years for Evans and Cousins to grow... and we could be back!!!

Your post sums up my own feelings almost exactly. I don't understand all the Chicken Little-ism. I mean Salmons is nothing to get excited over but no way does he make the team worse either. He'll add defense, three point shooting, and solve the starting SF dilemma.

 

[mr. moustache]

You post sums up my own feeling almost exactly. I don't understand all the Chicken Little-ism. I mean Salmons is nothing to get excited over but no way does he make the team worse either. He'll add defense, three point shooting, and solve the starting SF dilemma.

Salmon's contract is bad and he's toxic to ball movement. I would have been much happier if they simply sold the 3 draft spots to the bobcats for $. This is a terrible trade.

 

[Livinthedream]

I believe that although highly unusual how we did it... Petrie got his guy... and at the end of the day we upgraded our roster again...

Trading Carl Landry for thornton was a great move... drafting Evans and cousins... great moves... trading spencer hawes and Noc for Sam D was a great move... PETRIE HAS BEEN DOING GREAT

everyone needs to calm down... YES like a lot of you I too thought "what the hell?" when i saw this trade... but

if Salmons hadn't played here already would we be so upset? hes a big time up grade over Green and Casspi and will be way more consistent. hes a proven vet that can defend, and has no major health conserns.

keep this in mind to. Eric Muss and Reggie Theus were his coaches here... and our team was just aweful. John Salmons sorta had to be the go to guy...

.....................

plus everyone seems to like Jimmer !!!! as someone on espn pointed out a back court of Evans, Jimmer, Thornton will be fun to watch... thornton and Jimmer (even Salmons 379% 3pt) are the deep range shooters we need to help spread the floor for Evans and Cousins...

Beno was steady but not a good 3pt shooter... we needed shooters today we loaded up!

Salmons is an upgrade not the answer forever... and his contract isn't toxic, he could be moved again... hes healthy

.................

all thats missing now is whos playing the 5 and were all set. a few more years for Evans and Cousins to grow... and we could be back!!!

Yes. Nothing else I can add to this.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Salmon's contract is bad and he's toxic to ball movement. I would have been much happier if they simply sold the 3 draft spots to the bobcats for $. This is a terrible trade.

Beno's contract was bad too. Basically they swapped one bad contract for another and got a player who fills a need in the process.

 

[Entity]

I think you are hung up on the Salmons when he was with a worthless team. Remeber Kevin Martin. he was our best player back then. Where would Kevin Martin be on this team 4th 5th? Salmons had to have the ball in his hands back then. If not Kenny Thomas would have been shooting.

 

[ElRey]

I think people are overreacting to this trade because it's such a let down from the rumored trade of Tony Parker/Jefferson. John Salmons is one of the better SFs in the league. He's a good defender, and a good spot up shooter. He fits this team nicely, and fills the SF need. He provides defense and shooting. AT first, I didn't like the trade, but I warmed up to it. This trade ultimately depends on how Jimmer turns out. You know what you're getting with Salmons. If Jimmer busts, then this trade is a bust. If Jimmer turns to be a winner, then this trade is a winner.

 

[Section 101]

I think you are hung up on the Salmons when he was with a worthless team. Remeber Kevin Martin. he was our best player back then. Where would Kevin Martin be on this team 4th 5th? Salmons had to have the ball in his hands back then. If not Kenny Thomas would have been shooting.

Let me get this straight. So you said KMart was the best player on a 38 win team yet he would be a 4th or 5th on a 24 win team. Ya, that makes sense.

 

[sactownfan]

Salmons had to have the ball in his hands back then. If not Kenny Thomas would have been shooting.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! KENNY THOMAS!!!!!!! HAHAHA!

i understand that people wanted to make a big time FA splash! but look at the FA's ???? who were we gonna get... Salmons is a great 4th option... this teams starting line up is finally looking balanced...

if we can keep Sam D. or get a 5 like him then were going to be a very competive team

Jon Barry- "the kings are gonna be an offensive juggernaut" Chad Ford- "I like what the Kings did"

 

[Aenadin]

Salmons was on a team with Kevin martin (injured most of the time) and a center Spencer hawes and Bmiller that time...

our primary scorers will be cousins, evans and freddette. salmons is the vet SF that we need he will shore up the D. on the perimeter as casspi and donte come along...

It's not really a bad move really we got what we wanted this off season. shooting vet. now resign those players.

overall im happy with the draft. and we got honeycutt a player I am really intrigued. he is athletic. kind of raw, but if he turns out well i see greene or garcia being movable.

were going to be a LOT better next year. tyreke will be in better shape and hopefully with refined skills. Demarcus cousins better shape too. healthy garcia.

I just wish they had summer league so we can showcase who we got.

 

[Entity]

Let me get this straight. So you said KMart was the best player on a 38 win team yet he would be a 4th or 5th on a 24 win team. Ya, that makes sense.

I think you are confusing best player and best scorer. No all around Kevin Martin wouldn't be in the top 3.

 

[bajaden]

I realize that Salmons got the reputation for being ball dominate when he was here, but as stated by others, the Kings needed offense from him. If you go back to his days when he played along side AI, he was a different player altogether. His last year in Philly, he averaged 25 minutes a game, and only took a little over 6 shots a game. Even in his first year with the Kings he only took 8 shots a game.

But as the talent around him dwindled, he was asked to score more. I'm not defending him, and I, like most was somewhat disappointed when I heard of the trade. I certainly understand moving Beno. If we were going to draft either Walker or Jimmer, then it was likely that Beno was going to go at some point. Since their salarys are close to the same, its almost a push, except for the extra year. And, there's always the possibility that Salmons will be moved again

He wasn't my first choice, but he is a good defender, and a good passer. Its also possible that he might back up Tyreke and come off the bench with Jimmer. Hell, who knows. I'am happy with aquiring Honeycutt. He's a good defender and shoots the ball well. He's also a good passer. And most of all, just for Vlade, he's a very good athlete. Personally I thought he would go in the first round, but he's a very good value where we drafted him. He has the talent to eventually be a starter in the NBA. And knowing Westphal, that might be sooner than later.

 

[Section 101]

I realize that Salmons got the reputation for being ball dominate when he was here, but as stated by others, the Kings needed offense from him. If you go back to his days when he played along side AI, he was a different player altogether. His last year in Philly, he averaged 25 minutes a game, and only took a little over 6 shots a game. Even in his first year with the Kings he only took 8 shots a game.

I think the lack of shots had more to do with AI than his desire to shoot.

 

[KingsCitizen]

I think the Salmons' trade also includes an insurance in case we can't match Marcus Thornton. Remember, Thornton is still a free agent(although restricted).

Salmons maybe a ball hog but so is Marcus Thornton. But surprisingly Thornton clicked with Reke. I have been an advocate to pair Reke with ballhogs like Ben Gordon, who can create their shots, or on what worked for this team, Marcus Thornton, to actually keep defenses honest. And the good thing is... John Salmons is also a solid defender.

Salmons is 6'6" SG, and we later moved him to SF as Martin can't really defend SF.

Anyway, the offseason is still very long. I wouldn't be surprised if we still sign a vet SF and actually have Salmons play the SG, esp. if Thornton leaves. Our cap space is almost untouched and we got a lot of young wings as trading chips.

We should secure Dalembert though. That'll secure us the legit starters we needed. And probably another room to sign a vet SF and trade probably Omri in the process.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I believe that although highly unusual how we did it... Petrie got his guy... and at the end of the day we upgraded our roster again...

Trading Carl Landry for thornton was a great move... drafting Evans and cousins... great moves... trading spencer hawes and Noc for Sam D was a great move... PETRIE HAS BEEN DOING GREAT

everyone needs to calm down... YES like a lot of you I too thought "what the hell?" when i saw this trade... but

if Salmons hadn't played here already would we be so upset? hes a big time up grade over Green and Casspi and will be way more consistent. hes a proven vet that can defend, and has no major health conserns.

keep this in mind to. Eric Muss and Reggie Theus were his coaches here... and our team was just aweful. John Salmons sorta had to be the go to guy...

.....................

plus everyone seems to like Jimmer !!!! as someone on espn pointed out a back court of Evans, Jimmer, Thornton will be fun to watch... thornton and Jimmer (even Salmons 379% 3pt) are the deep range shooters we need to help spread the floor for Evans and Cousins...

Beno was steady but not a good 3pt shooter... we needed shooters today we loaded up!

Salmons is an upgrade not the answer forever... and his contract isn't toxic, he could be moved again... hes healthy

.................

all thats missing now is whos playing the 5 and were all set. a few more years for Evans and Cousins to grow... and we could be back!!!

Yup...amen to everything you said! I've been saying that since I first heard about this trade this afternoon. Oh, and John Hollinger and all the other knee-jerks in the national media that damned this trade for us can go take a long walk off a short pier, because this was a win-win trade for us. Oh, and sure Salmons has a higher contract, but it's not a backbreaker...we're only spending like $3-4 million more per year, get over it people...John Salmons isn't the 2nd coming of Ralph Sampson for God's sake!

 

[pupsingh]

Im just glad The Sacramento Kings made this trade and not the Anaheim Royals

 

[mr. moustache]

Beno's contract was bad too. Basically they swapped one bad contract for another and got a player who fills a need in the process.

Salmons' contract is significantly worse than Beno's; it's longer and more expensive.

I'd be on board with this trade if we included Garcia instead of Beno. I personally think Beno has more trade value around the league than Salmon's does. I also think Salmon's game is not fun to watch.

I'm not remotely concerned with moving down 3 picks. They got the guy they wanted for slightly less money. At this point, the Salmons trade is a mistake. Over the course of the summer they can rectify that by either trading him(please lord), or giving him an appropriate role for him on this team with his contract. Time will ultimately tell. I'm not confident with this one.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Yup...amen to everything you said! I've been saying that since I first heard about this trade this afternoon. Oh, and John Hollinger and all the other knee-jerks in the national media that damned this trade for us can go take a long walk off a short pier, because this was a win-win trade for us. Oh, and sure Salmons has a higher contract, but it's not a backbreaker...we're only spending like $3-4 million more per year, get over it people...John Salmons isn't the 2nd coming of Ralph Sampson for God's sake!

I'm not going to argue that we were better yesterday then we are today. Hell, if that was the case after a full 2 round NBA draft then something is seriously wrong with your team.

My problem is that we could have done better than we did. On so many levels. Why settle for anything less than perfection? What we did today seemed lazy and just .. stupid. Like we didnt do our homework. Like we didnt make enough calls.

I dont want John Salmons. I wouldnt want him for free. but we gave up a very good piece we KNOW works with this team in Beno Udrih AND traded down three spots.

I feel like we could have easily dumped Beno on a team if we wanted too. Then we could have gone out and signed AK or Prince for the same money we are paying Salmons. And guess what? we would have been able to keep the #7 pick and taken Brandon Knight.

We rushed things tonight. We took the first offer on the table and ran with it. Why not at least WAIT to see who would be available at #7? why not wait till free agency to go after John Salmons if we wanted him that bad?

The national media have pegged the Kings as a "lazy franchise" for a while now and they are right. Some teams leave no stone unturned, and some teams just make moves willy nilly. We make moves will nilly.

 

[sdballer]

Thank you. The Petrie apologists on this board make me want to tear my hair out. If I came on here this morning suggesting he kings trade #7 and Beno for #10 and salmons I would have been rightfully run off the board. Now all of a sudden it's a good move. It reeks of the laziness that others have suggested is a part of our front office culture.

 

[steelevt]

Salmons' contract is significantly worse than Beno's; it's longer and more expensive.

I'd be on board with this trade if we included Garcia instead of Beno. I personally think Beno has more trade value around the league than Salmon's does. I also think Salmon's game is not fun to watch.

I'm not remotely concerned with moving down 3 picks. They got the guy they wanted for slightly less money. At this point, the Salmons trade is a mistake. Over the course of the summer they can rectify that by either trading him(please lord), or giving him an appropriate role for him on this team with his contract. Time will ultimately tell. I'm not confident with this one.

agreed. beno had the shorter contract and now we have a even bigger log jam at the sf. so instead of going after ak/prince/battier, we are over paying 2 sf in salmons and garcia and have 3 young sf. i dont disagree that we got better with jimmer and salmons....but its the potential of knight + a targeted sf that has me down on this trade

 

[King Baller]

Beno was just about impossible to trade. How many times have we watched his matador defense???

Beno's defense is so bad Petrie had to move down 3 spots and take on Salmons contract to trade Beno.

Beno's pull up jumper is a thing of beauty and he can make some nifty passes, but who can he guard???

Salmon's defense is on par with Doug Christie. And he can score the ball. This is a good trade for the Kings. If Jimmer's game translates to the NBA right away lots of teams will be kicking themselves.

KB

 

[Hoovtrain]

I believe that although highly unusual how we did it... Petrie got his guy... and at the end of the day we upgraded our roster again...

Trading Carl Landry for thornton was a great move... drafting Evans and cousins... great moves... trading spencer hawes and Noc for Sam D was a great move... PETRIE HAS BEEN DOING GREAT

everyone needs to calm down... YES like a lot of you I too thought "what the hell?" when i saw this trade... but

if Salmons hadn't played here already would we be so upset? hes a big time up grade over Green and Casspi and will be way more consistent. hes a proven vet that can defend, and has no major health conserns.

keep this in mind to. Eric Muss and Reggie Theus were his coaches here... and our team was just aweful. John Salmons sorta had to be the go to guy...

.....................

plus everyone seems to like Jimmer !!!! as someone on espn pointed out a back court of Evans, Jimmer, Thornton will be fun to watch... thornton and Jimmer (even Salmons 379% 3pt) are the deep range shooters we need to help spread the floor for Evans and Cousins...

Beno was steady but not a good 3pt shooter... we needed shooters today we loaded up!

Salmons is an upgrade not the answer forever... and his contract isn't toxic, he could be moved again... hes healthy

.................

all thats missing now is whos playing the 5 and were all set. a few more years for Evans and Cousins to grow... and we could be back!!!

Once I come out of my blackout I will have a more coherent opinion

 

[captain bill]

Beno was just about impossible to trade. How many times have we watched his matador defense???

Beno's defense is so bad Petrie had to move down 3 spots and take on Salmons contract to trade Beno.

Beno's pull up jumper is a thing of beauty and he can make some nifty passes, but who can he guard???

Salmon's defense is on par with Doug Christie. And he can score the ball. This is a good trade for the Kings. If Jimmer's game translates to the NBA right away lots of teams will be kicking themselves.

KB

I think a lot of fans fell in love with Beno because he's been the only consistent player the last couple years. I really like what he's given us as well, and am really unsure of this trade. But I think Beno has been a garbage time player, and never really showed up to help us win. GP probably was going to draft Jimmer either way, and trading down to get your man is a good way to save cash (remember Petrie ALWAYS grabs what experts call a "reach" and four times out of five Petrie gets proven right). Salmons could be great on this team, or he could be crap. But the consensus (at least as far as I see it) on this board has been for a while now that Beno is a stop gap until Tyreke develops or we find a replacement. At least Salmons *might* be the shooter we've been looking for, while we *know* that Beno is just vanilla.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Beno was just about impossible to trade. How many times have we watched his matador defense???

Beno's defense is so bad Petrie had to move down 3 spots and take on Salmons contract to trade Beno.

Beno's pull up jumper is a thing of beauty and he can make some nifty passes, but who can he guard???

Salmon's defense is on par with Doug Christie. And he can score the ball. This is a good trade for the Kings. If Jimmer's game translates to the NBA right away lots of teams will be kicking themselves.

KB

Not trying to be rude but Salmons D is nowhere near Christie's

 

[cuad]

Thank you. The Petrie apologists on this board make me want to tear my hair out. If I came on here this morning suggesting he kings trade #7 and Beno for #10 and salmons I would have been rightfully run off the board. Now all of a sudden it's a good move. It reeks of the laziness that others have suggested is a part of our front office culture.

Not by me. Last night someone suggested that we trade the #7 and Casspi to Charlotte for the #9 and Stephen Jackson. I thought it was a great idea until I saw that Stephen Jackson barely shot over 30% from three last year. Today we got the #10 and Salmons who is younger, on a better contract and shot near 38% from three. To top it off we dumped Beno's contract. It was a great deal.

 

[King Baller]

Not trying to be rude but Salmons D is nowhere near Christie's

I watched every game they each played against Kobe and the other top wings while they were Kings. Their defense is close enough where no player could survive on the difference.

KB

 

[Hoovtrain]

I watched every game they each played against Kobe and the other top wings while they were Kings. Their defense is close enough where no player could survive on the difference.

KB

As have I. I've also watched Christie since he was at Pepperdine and I stand by my assertion that their D is nowhere near the same
Name me the last time Salmons made any sort of all NBA 1st or 2nd team.

 

[Telemachus]

As have I. I've also watched Christie since he was at Pepperdine and I stand by my assertion that their D is nowhere near the same
Name me the last time Salmons made any sort of all NBA 1st or 2nd team.

They both were great defenders who played completely different styles of defense. As far Christie getting awards while Salmons has not, I think alot of that has to do with a team's overall success (and hype). Explain to me how Kobe has been first team all defense the past 2 seasons, while Battier was completely snubbed.

 

[hammystyle]

I watched every game they each played against Kobe and the other top wings while they were Kings. Their defense is close enough where no player could survive on the difference.

KB

If you really think that, then everything else you say about basketball is meaningless. Because if you can't tell the difference between Doug Christie and John Salmons defensively then you probably can't tell the difference between Vlade Divac and Spencer Hawes. Chris Webber and Jason Thompson seem pretty much the same to you. Horrible, inaccurate comparison.

 

[Hoovtrain]

They both were great defenders who played completely different styles of defense. As far Christie getting awards while Salmons has not, I think alot of that has to do with a team's overall success (and hype). Explain to me how Kobe has been first team all defense the past 2 seasons, while Battier was completely snubbed.

Really? Battier has been pushed further down the bench, not to mention Kobe is still a better defender. Quit trying to compare christie and salmons D. They are not even close. It's insulting that you would even try to compare them.