Here's how i look at it.....

[Magruder]

That post is garbage... SO much talent against who?

Possibly the best 1/2 combo in the league in Shaq/Kobe? Are you seriously going to argue this point?

Then you agrue a team in the EAST made it? Don't ya think if our 02/03 team was in the east it would have been a cake walk... Surely I assume your just tyring to make us laugh

Yeah, I'll argue that, becuz while those teams didn't have to go up against the Fakers, there were other teams at that point with more talent than they. Indiana. Detroit. To name 2. And I wasn't just talking about his talent with the Kings. I was going further back to when he coached Portland, and even Golden State. Have you seen the roster that Adelman had when he coached Golden State to that crappy record. Give me a minute......

 

[Magruder]

Latrell Sprewell
Joe Smith
Chris Mullin
Mark Price
Donyell Marshall
B.J. Armstrong
Andrew DeClercq
Felton Spencer
Bimbo Coles
Todd Fuller
Ray Owes
Scott Burrell
Donald Royal
Melvin Booker
Lou Roe
Clifford Rozier
+--------------------+---+--+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+

 

[Magruder]

+--------------------+---+--+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
Latrell Sprewell
Joe Smith
B.J. Armstrong
Rony Seikaly
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Jerome Kersey
Chris Gatling
Donyell Marshall
Kevin Willis
Jon Barry
Bimbo Coles
Clifford Rozier
Andrew DeClercq
David Wood
Robert Churchwell
Geert Hammink
+--------------------+---+--+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+

Per Game

 

[Magruder]

Those aren't 30 win teams, I don't care what you think.

 

[BigWaxer]

Already drunk... not reading those numbers LOL

 

[thesanityannex]

I absolutely hate when people post scrambled numbers in the wrong format. What is the point if no one can read them?

 

[Magruder]

+--------------------+---+--+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
Loy Vaught
Malik Sealy
Rodney Rogers
Darrick Martin
Bo Outlaw
Lorenzen Wright
Lamond Murray
Terry Dehere
Brent Barry
Eric Piatkowski
Pooh Richardson
Stanley Roberts
Kevin Duckworth
Dwayne Schintzius
Rich Manning
+--------------------+---+--+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+

THE CLIPPERS MADE THE POSTSEASON WITH THIS SQUAD!!!!!!

 

[BigWaxer]

Yeah, I'll argue that, becuz while those teams didn't have to go up against the Fakers, there were other teams at that point with more talent than they. Indiana. Detroit. To name 2. And I wasn't just talking about his talent with the Kings. I was going further back to when he coached Portland, and even Golden State. Have you seen the roster that Adelman had when he coached Golden State to that crappy record. Give me a minute......

I can understand that... But still you have to admit during those years the west was 1000X better then the teams mentioned. I agree with your premise and its why I keep saying. Depends on his replacement.

 

[Magruder]

I absolutely hate when people post scrambled numbers in the wrong format. What is the point if no one can read them?

lOOK AT THE NAMES, FORGET THE NUMBERS..........

 

[uolj]

So what if you go 8-1 in the first two rounds of the playoofs, and then lose 4-3 in the conf. finals. Is that a losing record? I didn't think so........His assessment is right on.

His assessment is faulty because in the postseason you play the top 8 teams in your conference instead of all the teams in the league. Add to that the strength of the Western Conference during the Adelman era and a .500 record in the playoffs is actually a little high for the teams the Kings have had.

.........or they missed free throws. I'd call that underachieving.

They pushed the favorites and two-time defending champions to overtime of game 7 without one of their starters for most of the series. That was an overachievement in my opinion.

 

[Troy]

Larry Brown made it to the finals with AI, and a bunch of scrubs. Ricky is done. How could he have stuck with Hart all season instead of Ronnie Price? Moronic. If Bonzi didn't go down, Martin would still be a ? cuz Adelman wouldn't have played him more than 8-9 minutes a game. Wake up! Potapenko is a HUGE dude who could have put some hurt in Timmy, yet he wasted away on the bench with 30 usable fouls in 6 games WASTED. Garcia should have been in on Barry, Bibby shoulda been watching. Game 6, Miller should have watched until Reef actually DID foul out, cuz like you said, its the playoffs, win or go home.

I do agree with that. We didn't use the bench guys as good as we needed to against the Spurs, but the Spurs have such good quality scrubs eventhough they are up in years, they know how to win. I would have loved to see more of Price and Vitaly be the enforcer along with Corliss. We did do quite good, but I do agree that we need to use our bench better, much better. Skinner did good for us in limited minutes, I haven't seen Sampson play much. I know that the playoffs aren't the time to experiment as much as the regular season especially when you are playing the Spurs, but we did a poor job of using our bench, although limited as it is, and our core guys in Miller & Bibby didn't come close to how they needed to play and rise to the occasion. I wish RA well, well I hope we do institute a defensive focus and resign Bonzi. I also hope Ron, Bonzi, and the other guys are o.k. with the new coaches.

 

[Magruder]

Unfortunately that "starter" was afraid of the ball during that series. oh, he was there, he just wasn't tough enough mentally to play well. Ankle injury or not, Peja was never to be mistaken as a tough hombre. I liked the excuse back then, but now after seeing how he did the same thing for Indiana, I'm not buying it.

 

[BigWaxer]

well now you mixing players with coach...

 

[SacTownKid]

Its all just apart of the change phase. No team can really "change" anything if they keep the same coach. I will be interested to see what they do.

 

[uolj]

Unfortunately that "starter" was afraid of the ball during that series. oh, he was there, he just wasn't tough enough mentally to play well. Ankle injury or not, Peja was never to be mistaken as a tough hombre. I liked the excuse back then, but now after seeing how he did the same thing for Indiana, I'm not buying it.

How does that in any way affect whether that season was an over or underachievement? A starter was injured for most of the series, but now that you think he wasn't tough enough mentally to play well, it all of a sudden means that the Kings should have played better?

Sorry, that doesn't make sense.

 

[Magruder]

No, I'm saying Adelman is to blame becuz Adelman is the one who placed his trust in Peja when Hedo was a viable option. Don't forget, Gerald Wallace was also on that team, and could have been utilized as well, but he wasn't. Who's fault was that? It definitely wasn't the players, becuz the coach is the one with the substitution patterns. Bobby J was completely healthy that game, shot 6/9, and still played less time than Mr. Clutch Stojakovic (3/12). THAT IS ADELMAN'S FAULT. So, Adelman is a great regular season coach, but he gets outcoached whenever the chips are stacked. I'm sick of it. You should be too.

 

[Gary]

It's time to look forward. Hope the new coach brings in a more strict style of coaching, and caters a little towards the players needs as well.

I also hope that the rookies will be used more. I also hope that we won't wonder why he has not used some players in the rotation. Wallace could have been what he did in Charlotte a couple years ago if used. The same with Hedo.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Good posts STK and Gary.

 

[Gary]

thanks

I was always getting angry at the fact that when our reserves got injured that would come back only to have the seat at the end of the bench available. Happened to Hedo, Pollard, Wallace, amongst others.

 

[uolj]

I'm sick of it. You should be too.

You're allowed your opinion, even if your reasoning doesn't make sense. It is my opinion that Adelman has done a great job while he's been here and his influence has allowed the team to overachieve. There is no way I'll ever get sick of my favorite team doing better than expected.

Now that he's gone, I'll look forward to the next coach and hope that whoever that is does an equally good job, even if he goes about it differently.

 

[Troy]

It's time to look forward. Hope the new coach brings in a more strict style of coaching, and caters a little towards the players needs as well.

I also hope that the rookies will be used more. I also hope that we won't wonder why he has not used some players in the rotation. Wallace could have been what he did in Charlotte a couple years ago if used. The same with Hedo.

Exactly, I like what Rick has done and with his taking us to the playoffs, but we let valuable players rot away on the bench like Hedo and Wallace. Kmart was doing the same thing, until Bonzi went down for a bit and he rose to occasion. I see it happening to Cisco as well. We do not use our bench that well, I know we don't have the bench we used to, but you have to live with that and use your guys. Win or lose, you have to trust in your guys or make the trades that need to be made (Webber with his huge salary). We are very shallow past the starters and the Spurs are absolutely built to win as our there Texas neighbor the Mavs. We need to really look to strengthen the bench along with the interior. I really think we should sign Bobby if we can get him for under $3M/yr, he provides the spark and shooting off the bench, as well as the experience. We were relying on rookies and other young guys that had little to no playoff experience. I'm not talking about the regular season, we have proven that we can get to the playoffs, it's now a matter of if we can go all the way???

 

[shaka zulu]

It's time to look forward. Hope the new coach brings in a more strict style of coaching, and caters a little towards the players needs as well.

I also hope that the rookies will be used more. I also hope that we won't wonder why he has not used some players in the rotation. Wallace could have been what he did in Charlotte a couple years ago if used. The same with Hedo.

You want a strict style of coaching, okay watch how Ron artest game is Effected by a Strict style of coaching.A coach that Demands everything from his players, He is tough, He says lay it all out there on the floor, he teaches Defense first, Ron artest had this in Indiana, He was turned off by the Play calling from the side lines, The massive substitution patterns, The strictly post up game he was told to play, Ron wanted the basketball in his hands to do the things that Bryant and McGrady do.

Ron wants to be the man, He wants to be the main Feature, He wanted out of Indiana because he wanted to play in a Free flowing system with laid back Rules.Ron will explode with a Strict coach


A strict Defensive coach won't approve of mike Bibby's ineptitude on Defense, He won't take miller's non athleticism, Bibby will turn into steve kerr and miller will be on the bench right with him earnning his pay from the Bench, The strict coach will either have to sit bibby and miller or Trade them.

 

[Jerryaki]

VF21, you've got your blinders on becuz you are such a big Kings fan you really don't see what they do wrong. I have played and coached hoops for a long time, and I usually say out loud what rick should do before he does it. I call timeouts at my t.v. about 1 or 2 plays before it actually gets into Ricks head. I tell my wife who rick should put in, and about half of the time I am 1 step ahead of him. The rest of the time he just sits there with his palms up not doing anything, and its those times I wish Ricky were someone else who wasn't afraid to "try something different". Well, now I get to see someone else. I just hope the Maloofs realize the best person for this job is an Avery Johnson type Terry Porter.

sounds like you are quite capable of being the coach for the kings then.

if vf21's got blinders on, you've got your hate filters. rick's done a lot. so he didn't win; in the past 15 yrs, 6 teams have won. he deserves more respect than an armchair fan second-guessing ALL of his decisions.

 

[VF21]

VF21, you've got your blinders on becuz you are such a big Kings fan you really don't see what they do wrong. I have played and coached hoops for a long time, and I usually say out loud what rick should do before he does it. I call timeouts at my t.v. about 1 or 2 plays before it actually gets into Ricks head. I tell my wife who rick should put in, and about half of the time I am 1 step ahead of him. The rest of the time he just sits there with his palms up not doing anything, and its those times I wish Ricky were someone else who wasn't afraid to "try something different". Well, now I get to see someone else. I just hope the Maloofs realize the best person for this job is an Avery Johnson type Terry Porter.

Then why aren't you applying for the job?

Sorry, but I'm not impressed by nameless braggadocio on a message board. Especially when NONE of it is relevant.

I'm glad you're getting so much enjoyment out of all this. Even the minority opinion needs its time to shine...

 

[Troy]

You want a strict style of coaching, okay watch how Ron artest game is Effected by a Strict style of coaching.A coach that Demands everything from his players, He is tough, He says lay it all out there on the floor, he teaches Defense first, Ron artest had this in Indiana, He was turned off by the Play calling from the side lines, The massive substitution patterns, The strictly post up game he was told to play, Ron wanted the basketball in his hands to do the things that Bryant and McGrady do.

Ron wants to be the man, He wants to be the main Feature, He wanted out of Indiana because he wanted to play in a Free flowing system with laid back Rules.Ron will explode with a Strict coach


A strict Defensive coach won't approve of mike Bibby's ineptitude on Defense, He won't take miller's non athleticism, Bibby will turn into steve kerr and miller will be on the bench right with him earnning his pay from the Bench, The strict coach will either have to sit bibby and miller or Trade them.

So true, Bibby is a big liability on defense, but he does bring a lot to the table in his awesome shooting for a PG, his vision, heart, etc. He has to toughen up defensively, but he has some leway. Brad on the other hand has zero leway, he is a 7 footer than plays like a 6' 7" guy if that. He doesn't rebound, shoot block, play defense, etc. If his shoot isn't falling, he doesn't bring you anything else. Some would argue his is a good passer, but he should be by the basket, and also our guards should be doing most of the passing, not our center anyways. I see Brad going, regardless of the coach, it's not merly a matter of just not making the play, but rather purposely not bringing the effort and not showing up and not earning your huge salary and merily going through the motions.

Whatever coach we get, Ron Artest is our franchise player and wants to win at all costs. Let him do his thing on the floor and do minimal coaching of him. Ron should definately be the captain when he steps on the floor as he has demonstated his leadership from game 1 with getting the guys together on the court for a little chat and using his hand to signal "Let's talk...let me know what you are thinking...." We need to cater to Ron and Bonzi who want to win and bring a lot to the table, not Brad who is getting paid the big bucks, but rather be elsewhere on the court (with the Pacers or Bulls) or out in Kendallville haming it up with the locals.

 

[Gary]

You want a strict style of coaching, okay watch how Ron artest game is Effected by a Strict style of coaching.A coach that Demands everything from his players, He is tough, He says lay it all out there on the floor, he teaches Defense first, Ron artest had this in Indiana, He was turned off by the Play calling from the side lines, The massive substitution patterns, The strictly post up game he was told to play, Ron wanted the basketball in his hands to do the things that Bryant and McGrady do.

Ron wants to be the man, He wants to be the main Feature, He wanted out of Indiana because he wanted to play in a Free flowing system with laid back Rules.Ron will explode with a Strict coach


A strict Defensive coach won't approve of mike Bibby's ineptitude on Defense, He won't take miller's non athleticism, Bibby will turn into steve kerr and miller will be on the bench right with him earnning his pay from the Bench, The strict coach will either have to sit bibby and miller or Trade them.

I never said Adelman's style was BAD.. It was different, and it stunted the growth of players that otherwise would have got time.

I will give Adelman this much, in his time with us we had fewer players that lashed out at him as a coach, or had player vs. player feuds that we hear so much about with other teams.

I think a coach coming in will appreciate our team and what we have rather than making everyone hate him.

Adelman is probally the most layed back coach in the league, ALTHOUGH weren't we all appreciating him a little more down the stretch this year when he was VOCAL, and yelling at the players? Weren't we all scracthing our heads wondering where this new Adelman came from? He kicked some major butt at the end of the year and did a hell of a job. That is how I want our new coach to be. Too bad Adelman wasn't that way the entire year or he would still be coaching here.

 

[Gary]

So true, Bibby is a big liability on defense, but he does bring a lot to the table in his awesome shooting for a PG, his vision, heart, etc. He has to toughen up defensively, but he has some leway. Brad on the other hand has zero leway, he is a 7 footer than plays like a 6' 7" guy if that. He doesn't rebound, shoot block, play defense, etc. If his shoot isn't falling, he doesn't bring you anything else. Some would argue his is a good passer, but he should be by the basket, and also our guards should be doing most of the passing, not our center anyways. I see Brad going, regardless of the coach, it's not merly a matter of just not making the play, but rather purposely not bringing the effort and not showing up and not earning your huge salary and merily going through the motions.

I would rather have Potapenko play D than Brad. Neither will win awards, but Potapenko vs. Brad if scored like a baseball game would end in a 1-0 loss for Brad.

 

[acisking]

I agree with your statement, and will back up it up with more stats then Just 8yrs and no Championship. Rick Adelman's overall coaching Record is 756-477 which is a winning perct of 61.31% during the Regular season in all his NBA coaching Stops. His overall Postseason record is 70-68 which is a winning perct of 50.70%. So when looking at the drastic change in his coaching effectivness from regular to post season, one can conclude he gets outcoached when it matters the most. As evidenced by the Spurs series recently, he was once again out coached by Popovich.

Now I am going to break down his Kings coaching record Regular vs. Post season. You all should love this stat very much, and will support the coaching change once you read this. Regular season record 395-229 which is a winning pct of 63.30%. NOW FOR THE MOMENT OF TRUTH his Post Season record with the Kings in 8 seasons is 34-35 which means he is under .500% (49.27%) winning pct in the Post Season. So Rich wins at an above 60% clip in the Regular season, but has trouble reaching .500% in the Postseason.

Sorry Folks, these facts don't lie. Whatever your personal love is for Adelman, just realize he will not lead us to a Championship. Sorry facts are facts, and opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one, and some are better than others.

This is one of the silliest things I have ever read. Unless you win the championship....you are pretty much bound to have a far worse post-season record than regular season. I would argue that practically every coach has numbers like this. The mere fact that Adelman's teams are over .500 means that, at the very least they were usually able to get out of the first round (which over the amount of years he has coached is a pretty good accomplishment).

 

[Sac.Kings]

This could very possibly blow up in the Maloofs' faces, im sad to see Rick go, but like with Artest, maybe change is good...

 

[acisking]

So what if you go 8-1 in the first two rounds of the playoofs, and then lose 4-3 in the conf. finals. Is that a losing record? I didn't think so........His assessment is right on.

Not even the Michael, Scottie Bulls teams of the 90s would go through the first 2 rounds with an 8-1 record on a regular basis so your point is moot. Even teams with extremly high winning percentages lose more games in the playoffs...period.