Here's how i look at it.....

[SoupNazi]

8 straight playoffs = 0 championships

Change is good people...take it easy on all the "Oh Rick thank you" crap. As far as im concerned he choked in all the big games every single year. He deserves the axe.

 

[VF21]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but to act as though Adelman hasn't done our team and us a big service over the years is just delusional.

You can post your opinions but this is not going to turn into an Adelman hatefest. That's not what this board is about.

 

[SacKings384]

Wow, last time I checked it's the players that choke, not the coach... For example, Phil Jackson... A coach who never lost in the first round, and always won big games. And the Lakers choked away 3 of them...

 

[Sirius]

It's not Rick's fault that his players could not make freethrows 3 years ago.

Give it a rest, and don't be surprised if this decision blows up in the Maloofs' faces.

 

[love_them_kings]

. As far as im concerned he choked in all the big games every single year. He deserves the axe.

I know, he really choked -- I'll never forgot how he missed all those big free throws...

8 years in the playoffs is something to be proud of. As Kings fans we have all seen the unfortunate circumstances (ill timed injuries, missed free throws, etc.) that have kept the Kings from winning it all. I don't think Rick can be blamed for that. This year MAKING the playoffs was a major accomplishment. I don't think anyone really thought we'd make a championship run.

I am proud of what Rick did for this team, and I think we will be very lucky if we end up with a coach that is as talented as he is.

 

[shaka zulu]

8 straight playoffs = 0 championships

Change is good people...take it easy on all the "Oh Rick thank you" crap. As far as im concerned he choked in all the big games every single year. He deserves the axe.

who else has the championships with 700 + wins, It's allot of Coaches out there that havent won a Title in the last 8 seasons, Phil jackson 4 Gregg popvich 3 larry brown 1. These are 3 of the Greatest coaches in history, Don nelson hasn't one any, Pat riley none in the last 8 seasons, George karl none etc. Rick was knocking at the door at least 4 times during the past 8 seasons, Due to injuries and Cap salary issues he may have had better chances.


Maybe change is good, but who's out there that is Really better. Jerry sloan hasn't one anything either, Might as well call him a choker as well

 

[uolj]

I don't know if it will blow up in the Maloofs faces in an obvious way. I think it will be little things that aren't really apparent to most fans that will be different and possibly worse depending on who they find to replace Adelman. This isn't a bad move for the Kings if they can get another excellent coach.

Even if they can't, the team will succeed and be ok, but odds say that the Kings won't win a championship in the next eight years and certainly might not make the playoffs that entire time either. While there could be times with a new coach where they overachieve, chances are that they'll have times where they severely underachieve as well, something that never happened under Adelman (except perhaps the first half of this year).

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

And how many titles has Don Nelson(the likely successor) won?? 0....exactly...I just hope the Maloofs REALLY thought this over long and hard before they made this decision before they went ALL IN.

 

[Kings2805]

I agree with your statement, and will back up it up with more stats then Just 8yrs and no Championship. Rick Adelman's overall coaching Record is 756-477 which is a winning perct of 61.31% during the Regular season in all his NBA coaching Stops. His overall Postseason record is 70-68 which is a winning perct of 50.70%. So when looking at the drastic change in his coaching effectivness from regular to post season, one can conclude he gets outcoached when it matters the most. As evidenced by the Spurs series recently, he was once again out coached by Popovich.

Now I am going to break down his Kings coaching record Regular vs. Post season. You all should love this stat very much, and will support the coaching change once you read this. Regular season record 395-229 which is a winning pct of 63.30%. NOW FOR THE MOMENT OF TRUTH his Post Season record with the Kings in 8 seasons is 34-35 which means he is under .500% (49.27%) winning pct in the Post Season. So Rich wins at an above 60% clip in the Regular season, but has trouble reaching .500% in the Postseason.

Sorry Folks, these facts don't lie. Whatever your personal love is for Adelman, just realize he will not lead us to a Championship. Sorry facts are facts, and opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one, and some are better than others.

 

[VF21]

And how many titles has Don Nelson(the likely successor) won?? 0....exactly...I just hope the Maloofs REALLY thought this over long and hard before they made this decision before they went ALL IN.

That's really putting the cart before the horse. Just because the media is speculating that Nelson might come here doesn't mean the Maloofs are seriously considering him. In all honesty, I can't think of ANY reasons why they would...and a whole bunch why they wouldn't.

 

[VF21]

I agree with your statement, and will back up it up with more stats then Just 8yrs and no Championship. Rick Adelman's overall coaching Record is 756-477 which is a winning perct of 61.31% during the Regular season in all his NBA coaching Stops. His overall Postseason record is 70-68 which is a winning perct of 50.70%. So when looking at the drastic change in his coaching effectivness from regular to post season, one can conclude he gets outcoached when it matters the most. As evidenced by the Spurs series recently, he was once again out coached by Popovich.

Now I am going to break down his Kings coaching record Regular vs. Post season. You all should love this stat very much, and will support the coaching change once you read this. Regular season record 395-229 which is a winning pct of 63.30%. NOW FOR THE MOMENT OF TRUTH his Post Season record with the Kings in 8 seasons is 34-35 which means he is under .500% (49.27%) winning pct in the Post Season. So Rich wins at an above 60% clip in the Regular season, but has trouble reaching .500% in the Postseason.

Sorry Folks, these facts don't lie. Whatever your personal love is for Adelman, just realize he will not lead us to a Championship. Sorry facts are facts, and opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one, and some are better than others.

OH good lord.

EVERYONE who doesn't go on to the championship and win is going to have a LOSING percentage in the playoffs. Hello?

No, those facts don't lie but your assessment of them sure does. And please do not bypass the profanity filters.

 

[shaka zulu]

I agree with your statement, and will back up it up with more stats then Just 8yrs and no Championship. Rick Adelman's overall coaching Record is 756-477 which is a winning perct of 61.31% during the Regular season in all his NBA coaching Stops. His overall Postseason record is 70-68 which is a winning perct of 50.70%. So when looking at the drastic change in his coaching effectivness from regular to post season, one can conclude he gets outcoached when it matters the most. As evidenced by the Spurs series recently, he was once again out coached by Popovich.

Now I am going to break down his Kings coaching record Regular vs. Post season. You all should love this stat very much, and will support the coaching change once you read this. Regular season record 395-229 which is a winning pct of 63.30%. NOW FOR THE MOMENT OF TRUTH his Post Season record with the Kings in 8 seasons is 34-35 which means he is under .500% (49.27%) winning pct in the Post Season. So Rich wins at an above 60% clip in the Regular season, but has trouble reaching .500% in the Postseason.

Sorry Folks, these facts don't lie. Whatever your personal love is for Adelman, just realize he will not lead us to a Championship. Sorry facts are facts, and opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one, and some are better than others.

List who's Better in your opinion

 

[Kings2805]

I wouldn' take don nelson that is for sure, but I would take either of the Van Gundys, but I prefer Stan Van Gundy. At this point though nobody stat wise is going to Match Adelman, but EVERY KINGS FANS GOAL IS TO WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP, RIGHT? My stats I listed is to show you guys Rick wins big in the Regular season, and barely reaches .500% in the postseason. I am all for change, and having 8 seasons to win something Big, and failing to do so all 8 yrs is enough chances, how many more playoff failures, chokes, and dissappointments do we need? Do you guys also know Rick has been employed 8 yrs which is 3rd longest tenure in the NBA-sloan and popovich are longer. He had his chances and failed, time to move on- That is my opinion, I don't expect people to love my opinion, but that is how I feel.

 

[SacKings384]

That's really putting the cart before the horse. Just because the media is speculating that Nelson might come here doesn't mean the Maloofs are seriously considering him. In all honesty, I can't think of ANY reasons why they would...and a whole bunch why they wouldn't.

I can... Lack of options

 

[shaka zulu]

I wouldn' take don nelson that is for sure, but I would take either of the Van Gundys, but I prefer Stan Van Gundy. At this point though nobody stat wise is going to Match Adelman, but EVERY KINGS FANS GOAL IS TO WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP, RIGHT? My stats I listed is to show you guys Rick wins big in the Regular season, and barely reaches .500% in the postseason. I am all for change, and having 8 seasons to win something Big, and failing to do so all 8 yrs is enough chances, how many more playoff failures, chokes, and dissappointments do we need? Do you guys also know Rick has been employed 8 yrs which is 3rd longest tenure in the NBA-sloan and popovich are longer. He had his chances and failed, time to move on- That is my opinion, I don't expect people to love my opinion, but that is how I feel.

Who is this Great coach that is out there, you would take jeff van gundy who didn't even make the play offs this season. Jeff van gundy is a stat coach and same with his Brother , These guy's are inexperienced in the personality aspect of the game. The kings right now need a players coach, your stats prove that phil jackson is better,larry brown, Greg popovich are better coaches because they won championships during the last 8 seasons, That's all your stats say.


Who's better
stan vangundy
jeff van gundy
nate mc millian
jerry sloan
pat riley
don nelson

Who is Better

 

[VF21]

Rick wins big in the Regular season, and barely reaches .500% in the postseason. .

...sigh...

It's the playoffs. It's win or go home. You cannot have a high playoff percentage UNLESS you win.

Check ALL the other coaches in the NBA. See how many of them have higher percentages than Adelman.

 

[VF21]

I can... Lack of options

They have options. And they may end up with someone not even mentioned yet. Don Nelson is not the only candidate, regardless of what the media might be saying.

 

[Burrito06]

Here's how I look at it. New coach with new system that needs to be incorporated. No playoffs next season.

 

[Kings2805]

The kings right now need a players coach, your stats prove that phil jackson is better,larry brown, Greg popovich are better coaches because they won championships during the last 8 seasons, That's all your stats say.


My stats had nothing to do with those coaches you listed. They focused on Rick Adelman, and Rick Adelman only. If you want my opinion on those coaches, yes they are all better bc they have actually won when it matters most, vs Rick who comes up short every year. Please don't be ignorant, read my post, my stats are all valid and accurate, and they back up my opinion that Rick Adelaman will never lead Sacramento to a championship.

 

[VF21]

The kings right now need a players coach, your stats prove that phil jackson is better,larry brown, Greg popovich are better coaches because they won championships during the last 8 seasons, That's all your stats say.


My stats had nothing to do with those coaches you listed. They focused on Rick Adelman, and Rick Adelman only. If you want my opinion on those coaches, yes they are all better bc they have actually won when it matters most, vs Rick who comes up short every year. Please don't be ignorant, read my post, my stats are all valid and accurate, and they back up my opinion that Rick Adelaman will never lead Sacramento to a championship.

Good lord.

IT"S THE PLAYOFFS. You have to win to go on to the next round. Your statistics are fine but you're not interpreting them correctly. And, as I said, check the other coaches in the NBA who have gone to the playoffs. See what their percentage is. Even more importantly, check the percentage of coaches who have even gone to the playoffs. How many of them have gone as many times as Adelman? How many of them have led their teams to the PLAYOFFS every single year as head coach? I know, those stats don't matter because they totally blow your argument out of the water. Whatever, dude...

And refrain from the name-calling.

 

[Kings2805]

VF, I understand how the PLAYOFFS work win or go home. But why is it that the Kings are always the one's going home every year in the 1st or 2nd round when we had the talent to win it all for atleast 5 out the past 8 years? I want a defensive minded coach, bc we all know the teams that win have great D.

 

[shaka zulu]

VF, I understand how the PLAYOFFS work win or go home. But why is it that the Kings are always the one's going home every year in the 1st or 2nd round when we had the talent to win it all for atleast 5 out the past 8 years? I want a defensive minded coach, bc we all know the teams that win have great D.

who is your Defensive minded coach

 

[uolj]

VF, I understand how the PLAYOFFS work win or go home. But why is it that the Kings are always the one's going home every year in the 1st or 2nd round when we had the talent to win it all for atleast 5 out the past 8 years? I want a defensive minded coach, bc we all know the teams that win have great D.

The Kings have never been the NBA's most talented team in the Adelman era. The only times they were close were 2001-2002, when they lost to the 3 time champions in overtime of game 7 (that's overtime, they weren't blown out or anything), and in 2002-2003, when their star player was injured and unavailable.

The Kings have never truly underachieved under Adelman.

The reason the Kings went home early every year was because they had major injuries, or they played better teams.

 

[thesanityannex]

The Kings have never truly underachieved under Adelman.

The reason the Kings went home early every year was because they had major injuries, or they played better teams.

.........or they missed free throws. I'd call that underachieving.

 

[BigWaxer]

for one I didn't read evething in this thread... I skimmmed

Sorry but if you look at the last 20 years of NBA champions you will see that superstars win rings... WE still and haven't had one. Webb was the closest we got but he wasn't a true superstar.

On the other hand.

When people say "COACHES DONT MATTER IT'S THE PLAYERS" well I look at a different sport... Look at my Cowboys didn't Jerry say the same thing? And he was proven wrong coaches matter, they count just as much.

I am really conflicted on this. On one hand I have watched bad substitions in the final minutes of games. THIS started first year against UTAH in the playoffs when Taraq was hot in game 7 and he took him out.... ALA game 6 this year. I have watched our team give away leads so and to many times in the 3rd QTR... RA is not a motivator.

I then see a coach that has consitantly won with the right players. RA knows how to win.

I am mixed about this. Lets see who is next

 

[Magruder]

OH good lord.

EVERYONE who doesn't go on to the championship and win is going to have a LOSING percentage in the playoffs. Hello?

No, those facts don't lie but your assessment of them sure does. And please do not bypass the profanity filters.

So what if you go 8-1 in the first two rounds of the playoofs, and then lose 4-3 in the conf. finals. Is that a losing record? I didn't think so........His assessment is right on.

 

[Magruder]

Good lord.

IT"S THE PLAYOFFS. You have to win to go on to the next round. Your statistics are fine but you're not interpreting them correctly. And, as I said, check the other coaches in the NBA who have gone to the playoffs. See what their percentage is. Even more importantly, check the percentage of coaches who have even gone to the playoffs. How many of them have gone as many times as Adelman? How many of them have led their teams to the PLAYOFFS every single year as head coach? I know, those stats don't matter because they totally blow your argument out of the water. Whatever, dude...

And refrain from the name-calling.

Adelman has had so much talent, and still couldn't get it done. so much more than so many other teams. Byron Scott had J. Kidd, Richard Jeff, and Kenyon Martin(who we all know is garbage) and made it to the FINALS. Bye, Ricky.

 

[Magruder]

Larry Brown made it to the finals with AI, and a bunch of scrubs. Ricky is done. How could he have stuck with Hart all season instead of Ronnie Price? Moronic. If Bonzi didn't go down, Martin would still be a ? cuz Adelman wouldn't have played him more than 8-9 minutes a game. Wake up! Potapenko is a HUGE dude who could have put some hurt in Timmy, yet he wasted away on the bench with 30 usable fouls in 6 games WASTED. Garcia should have been in on Barry, Bibby shoulda been watching. Game 6, Miller should have watched until Reef actually DID foul out, cuz like you said, its the playoffs, win or go home.

 

[BigWaxer]

Adelman has had so much talent, and still couldn't get it done. so much more than so many other teams. Byron Scott had J. Kidd, Richard Jeff, and Kenyon Martin(who we all know is garbage) and made it to the FINALS. Bye, Ricky.

That post is garbage... SO much talent against who?

Possibly the best 1/2 combo in the league in Shaq/Kobe? Are you seriously going to argue this point?

Then you agrue a team in the EAST made it? Don't ya think if our 02/03 team was in the east it would have been a cake walk... Surely I assume your just tyring to make us laugh

 

[Magruder]

VF21, you've got your blinders on becuz you are such a big Kings fan you really don't see what they do wrong. I have played and coached hoops for a long time, and I usually say out loud what rick should do before he does it. I call timeouts at my t.v. about 1 or 2 plays before it actually gets into Ricks head. I tell my wife who rick should put in, and about half of the time I am 1 step ahead of him. The rest of the time he just sits there with his palms up not doing anything, and its those times I wish Ricky were someone else who wasn't afraid to "try something different". Well, now I get to see someone else. I just hope the Maloofs realize the best person for this job is an Avery Johnson type Terry Porter.