Here we go again

[Peter_Gibbons]

With the exception of the Webber/Divac years, I don't see any reason why anyone who wasn't a lifelong Sacramento resident would even want to be a fan of the Kings. If I was going to be a fan of a team from a region other than my own, I'd want it to at least be a team with a shot at a championship. That's why I'm a Celtics fan actually.

Some fans associate loyalty to a sports team as loyalty to a city. I personally don't see it that way. I've been a Kings fans since 1999 and went through the good years and the bad years. Right now we are still bad. But I follow the team because of the team, not the city. A sports team is just a business thats in that city. Too many people become bandwagon fans when the team does well and claims its because of city pride. I don't like that idea. I'm from LA so I can easily jump on the lakers bandwagon and make fun of all the other teams like many lakers fan do. But when I really started getting into the NBA, I liked the Kings and my loyalty remains.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Once The kings are gone, I wouldn't be surprised if much of my Laker hatred dissipated. The only reason I ever hated The Lakers was because they were Goliath to The Kings' David and there was the underlying Socal Vs. NoCal drama involved. if The Kings aren't in Sacramento anymore, none of that will matter any longer. The Lakers will be just another team to me at that point.

Oh hell no....

 

[kennadog]

I grew up in a different era. I'll likely follow the team, if then Kings leave, but it just won't be the same as rooting for a hometown team. It's going to be awful to watch my team from afar, playing in another city, another arena, another name on the uniform.

I grew up a baseball fan in SoCal. The Dodgers were it, for me. It is a bit funny since the Dodgers moved to LA from Brooklyn, but that was before I became a fan. Everybody I knew followed the Dodgers. It was a passion we all shared. I remember sitting in school with a couple of people wearing transitor radios (yes, I'm old), listening to the World Series during class. The teacher would ask for the score a few times, LOL. It was OUR team.

I was there when the Angels were created and cheered for them, too, but nothing like the Dodgers. Following the Dodgers was something I shared with my brother, too.

When I moved to Sacramento in 1967, I missed that hometown team love/loyalty for a long time. I'd miss it again. I wanted to take my family to Kings games and have my grandkids experience that with me in our city. *sigh*

 

[Glenn]

I grew up in a different era. I'll likely follow the team, if then Kings leave, but it just won't be the same as rooting for a hometown team. It's going to be awful to watch my team from afar, playing in another city, another arena, another name on the uniform.

And winning again!

When I moved to Sacramento in 1967, I missed that hometown team love/loyalty for a long time. I'd miss it again. I wanted to take my family to Kings games and have my grandkids experience that with me in our city. *sigh*

It's called pride. BTW, does anyone but me feel a little foolish to have our arena named after a scam? Read up on the product.

 

[rainmaker]

How can you not understand why a lot of us local residents wouldn't want to be a fan after they move? You're not born and raised here like a lot of us. It doesn't really matter where they go for you. It sounds like you root for the "Kings" and it doesn't really matter what city is on the jersey.

If they move, I'm pretty much done with NBA basketball. I've grown tired of the league anyway but I've stayed a fan just because I've been following the Kings since Day 1. I'm tired of all the players acting ghetto -- the tattoos, bad attitudes, disrespect, DUI's, no accountability, and the general lack of being good human beings. Obviously, this doesn't apply to every player but that's just the general feeling I get nowadays.

No I wasn't born and raised in Sac, but I live close enough to attend games. Actually, given the low attendence recently, it seems like I make the 75 min drive up to Arco, and attend more games, then a number of fans who live in the direct vicinity, or who actually live in Sacramento, and I've been making that drive for 18 years. So, I'd make the arguement it's actually tougher for me, who lives outside Sac, to show my support for the team, yet I do. I still cough up the money and make the drive 8-10 times a year, and pay for League Pass since I don't get games locally. Doesn't make me less of a fan in any way.

But if they move, unless it's to San Jose, it's just as tough for me to go to games as it would be for you guys in Sac. I wouldn't like it if they move for that reason, as it directly effects me. And I don't live so far that I'm completely removed from the situation, just like any 49er, Raider, A's, or Giants fans who live in Sac.

I don't understand what you mean by "it sound like you root for the Kings, and it doesn't matter what city is on the jersey". Of course it matters, but it's not the end all be all as a fan. Distance has no bearing on how much a fan you are. Many on here are fans around the world, for various reasons. I actually find it a little rediculous when my attitude is more postive, and I show more support, and even go to more games, then so called fans who live in Sacramento county, yet my support is being questioned.

 

[kennadog]

And winning again!




It's called pride. BTW, does anyone but me feel a little foolish to have our arena named after a scam? Read up on the product.

Well, honestly I never thought of gasoline much when talking about Arco. If Power Balance wants to pay the bills, I'm okay with it. Besides, I think oil companies are just scamming us, except in fancier clothes and cars.

(Not to mention the environmental disasters and wars they've caused.)

 

[Glenn]

Well, honestly I never thought of gasoline much when talking about Arco. If Power Balance wants to pay the bills, I'm okay with it. Besides, I think oil companies are just scamming us, except in fancier clothes and cars.

(Not to mention the environmental disasters and wars they've caused.)

Read about it. This is passed off as holistic medicine. If you wear a pendant you will be a better athlete. Unless things change, gas is still necessary to power cars. It actually does something.

Will that name go on if the Kings move? I know they are holding off on puttting a name on the building for some reason.

http://www.powerbalance.com/products

http://www.powerbalance.com/powerbalance <<<<<<< read this pile of manure!

 

[twosomeca]

They're gone. It's clear as day, The Maloofs don't want to be here any longer. Just accept it. I've already been weening myself off of watching games so I can get used to it. They've been blowing off the mayor, they won't answer questions about it because they don't want the fans to jump ship before the season is over, and they're worsening financial plight is making Anaheim look like a pie in the sky that will solve all of their problems. Personally, I think it's a stupid and impetuous move on their part and one that will likely backfire. The only way they don't leave is if Anaheim doesn't give them the deal they want or if by some miracle the league doesn't approve the move. Other than that, they're gone. Otherwise they wouldn't have asked for the extension and they'd be working with the mayor and ICON more.

I agree that the only way they stay in Sac is if the Anaheim deal doesn't get closed. Frankly, I don't see how that happens. I think they will close the deal, and I don't think the owners will shut the door on them. They will look at it like a team not getting a new arena deal for 10 years after patient and hard work to get one. What would they do? And I think most of those owners wouldn't spend 10 years trying to get the deal. The vote will be all yes minus 2 no votes - Fakers and Clippers.

 

[twosomeca]

I'll always be a diehard fan, no matter what, and watch all 82 games unless work, school, or family interferes.

Maybe I'm in the minority here. No matter if they moved to San Jose, Anaheim, KC, or London, I'd still follow them closely, watch every game, and call them my team.

What I care about most is the product on the floor, the players, and coaching staff. Ownership is down the list, and not something I usually think about when watching games are talking about the team. I actually think the Maloofs are good owners, who'd stayy if they could, and are caught in a crapy situation with a crapy city council.

There are far worse owners in the league, and throughout sports, but if I was a fan of the team, and grew up with it, ownership wouldn't be reason enough for me to no longer be a fan, or even influence how much of a fan I am. I've been a fan of the Raiders for a long, long time, and hate Al Davis. But it has no influence on me being a fan of the team. I half jokingly wish he'd come down with some illness which forced him to sell the team.

I don't understand the mentality of, "if they leave, I'm done with the team, or I'm done with the NBA". I personally could never consider it.

The reason you don't consider it is because it is not your town that is impacted. Many people are loyal to their towns first. They only support the town's team if that team is representing that town. Once they move, they are dead to a lot of fans. I don't understand how some people don't get that.

 

[kennadog]

Read about it. This is passed off as holistic medicine. If you wear a pendant you will be a better athlete. Unless things change, gas is still necessary to power cars. It actually does something.

Will that name go on if the Kings move? I know they are holding off on puttting a name on the building for some reason.

http://www.powerbalance.com/productsI know what the "bracelet" is.

At the risk of offending somebody.....if people actually believed that wearing that thing was going to enhance their physical being, I think they are...hmmmmm...stupid. You can't protect all of the people all of the time from their own foolishness. And the only ones who will win anything of significance inthis is the lawyers. Besides, there are so many things athletes have touted over the years. People should have some skepticism built in. The funny thing is, if you believe something works, it may actually help, albeit incrementally small. I think its more of a fad, because athletes are wearing them.

Does not shaving for the whole playoffs actually help? How about wearing the same socks or eating exactly the same meal? How about wearing that St Christopher's medallion your mom gave you? If you think it makes a difference, it might make some difference. Of course, its actual belief or one's own mind that causes the effect, if any, not the object.

 

[AleksandarN]

i will follow the Kings no matter where they go. I kinda hope it is Vancouver if they do happen to move(which I hope they don't)

 

[kennadog]

I must say, I'm getting tired of most of this discussion right now. No matter whose fault it is or why the Kings may move or what Sacramento should or shouldn't have done, to discuss the move constantly has all the joy of kicking someone when they are down. Sacramento fans in this region, are hurting bad right now. We don't really need the obvious shoved down our throat while being kicked in the gut, too.

 

[Glenn]

At the risk of offending somebody.....if people actually believed that wearing that thing was going to enhance their physical being, I think they are...hmmmmm...stupid. You can't protect all of the people all of the time from their own foolishness. And the only ones who will win anything of significance inthis is the lawyers. Besides, there are so many things athletes have touted over the years. People should have some skepticism built in. The funny thing is, if you believe something works, it may actually help, albeit incrementally small. I think its more of a fad, because athletes are wearing them.

Does not shaving for the whole playoffs actually help? How about wearing the same socks or eating exactly the same meal? How about wearing that St Christopher's medallion your mom gave you? If you think it makes a difference, it might make some difference. Of course, its actual belief or one's own mind that causes the effect, if any, not the object.

"Fad" is the operative word. Fads end as will Power Balance. Then there is no spomsor.

 

[Jkbiker]

Well I have been a Kings fan since the Old days of Mitch Richmond, Spud Webb when I first started taking my 10 yr old daughter to the games when she started basketball in school. I have steadily attended 22 games per year and watched prob 40 games on tv when time allows. But I have always been loyal to my teams regardless of Location, Chicago Bears fan for over 30 yrs, Chicago Cubs fan since I was 10 years old. i still watch and root for my teams, go to the pub Sundays to see my Bears play, Watch some baseball and go to Cubs/Giants games from time to time.

If the Kings do move, I will have to adjust, prob get the NBA League pass so I can watch my Kings whereever they land, Maybe attend several Kings/Warriors games in the bay once or twice per year.

but will be a Kings fan forever, I have followed them so close that I love my team and the players. No way will I ever root for Lakers for any game, would rather root for East Teams that play them

With league pass I may watch a few more non-Kings games if the matchup sounds interesting, but hey my spectator sport (after my Bears Games) will always be NBA kings games. I guess my location or team location does not change my team loyalty. The only possible exception would be if Sacramento ever landed another pro sports team.

I cant help it that I love my team, and I will go to games, watch them, support them - doesnt matter who owns them or where they play.

 

[Glenn]

I must say, I'm getting tired of most of this discussion right now. No matter whose fault it is or why the Kings may move or what Sacramento should or shouldn't have done, to discuss the move constantly has all the joy of kicking someone when they are down. Sacramento fans in this region, are hurting bad right now. We don't really need the obvious shoved down our throat while being kicked in the gut, too.

Adversity makes you strong.

 

[kennadog]

"Fad" is the operative word. Fads end as will Power Balance. Then there is no spomsor.

Well apparently the deal is more of an advertising deal, than strictly an arena naming rights deal. The Maloofs could do advertising for Power Balance on other things associated with the Kings, even at the new arena. They could also do it through the Palms, their production company, their music business, etc.


If they move to Anaheim, maybe they'll put it on the players jerseys.

 

[rainmaker]

The reason you don't consider it is because it is not your town that is impacted. Many people are loyal to their towns first. They only support the town's team if that team is representing that town. Once they move, they are dead to a lot of fans. I don't understand how some people don't get that.

Still don't get it. Have fun going to Sac State games.

 

[fiction916]

A sports team is just a business thats in that city.

maybe, but we really don't treat them like other businesses. look into how ownership works in the German Bundesliga.

 

[kennadog]

Still don't get it. Have fun going to Sac State games.

Gee, thanks. That's all we'll have left to attend in town for basketball. No need to be insensitive to Sacramento fans' feelings. Do you kick dogs for fun, too?

 

[rainmaker]

Gee, thanks. That's all we'll have left to attend in town for basketball. No need to be insensitive to Sacramento fans' feelings. Do you kick dogs for fun, too?

Seriously? What do you think?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

This would suggest that you were never really an NBA fan in the first place...

Years ago, the NBA was more about playing basketball and wanting to win. It's become more about a bunch of uneducated, immature, spoiled brats who are more concerned about their image and marketing.

I find the veracity of this statement to be highly questionable. Cite, pls?

What does "acting ghetto" mean, exactly?

I think I outlined what I constituted as "ghetto" in my post, didn't I? Are you going to pull the race card out on me now?

Well, I don't know about "pulling the race card out," but I absolutely do not concede that any of the characteristics that you listed should be classified as "acting ghetto," any more than they should be classified as "acting trailer park."

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

If I may play devil's Advocate for a minute:

The reason you don't consider it is because it is not your town that is impacted. Many people are loyal to their towns first. They only support the town's team if that team is representing that town. Once they move, they are dead to a lot of fans. I don't understand how some people don't get that.

Really? You honestly don't understand why some people don't get the "townie" mentality? I realize that my experience is unusual, but I also know for a fact that it is hardly unique: how, exactly, would you propose that someone with my background develop loyalty to any town in particular?

 

[BamBam52]

I'll always be a diehard fan, no matter what, and watch all 82 games unless work, school, or family interferes.

Maybe I'm in the minority here. No matter if they moved to San Jose, Anaheim, KC, or London, I'd still follow them closely, watch every game, and call them my team.

THIS x1000

As a lifelong Sacto resident, I've been a die-hard Kings fan since they came here from KC (although I was only 8 at the time). And if they did move, I see no reason to stop cheering for them now. I'll prolly end up getting league pass just because of them and watch or dvr every game if I have to work. You definitely won't EVER see me convert over to being a Warriors fan especially after all the years of hatred to that franchise AND being a division rival and all that.

 

[Section 101]

THIS x1000

As a lifelong Sacto resident, I've been a die-hard Kings fan since they came here from KC (although I was only 8 at the time). And if they did move, I see no reason to stop cheering for them now. I'll prolly end up getting league pass just because of them and watch or dvr every game if I have to work. You definitely won't EVER see me convert over to being a Warriors fan especially after all the years of hatred to that franchise AND being a division rival and all that.

I've been a Cowboys and Yankees fan since I was 5 years old. Now the chances of either team moving is super slim, but if they did I wouldnt stay a fan of either team. I wasn't much of a basketball fan when the Kings moved here and didnt have a favorite team. My loyalty is to the Sacramento Kings. Without the Sacramento it's not the same team.

 

[fnordius]

If I may play devil's Advocate for a minute:


Really? You honestly don't understand why some people don't get the "townie" mentality? I realize that my experience is unusual...

I know from old threads like this that you have a bit of a hard time with the "townie" mentality. IIRC, you probably have an excellent grasp of patriotism. Civic pride's very similar. Knowing that, you should be able to understand "townies," even if you never become one.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Really? You honestly don't understand why some people don't get the "townie" mentality? I realize that my experience is unusual, but I also know for a fact that it is hardly unique: how, exactly, would you propose that someone with my background develop loyalty to any town in particular?

There is a difference between not having the "townie mentality" (get = develop) and not understanding that other people might have the "townie mentality" (get = understand). I don't really think anybody has been asked in this thread to do any more than the latter.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Really? You honestly don't understand why some people don't get the "townie" mentality? I realize that my experience is unusual, but I also know for a fact that it is hardly unique: how, exactly, would you propose that someone with my background develop loyalty to any town in particular?

There is a difference between not having the "townie mentality" (get = develop) and not understanding that other people might have the "townie mentality" (get = understand). I don't really think anybody has been asked in this thread to do any more than the latter.

It was my impression (and I allow for the fact that I am often wrong) that twosomeca was.

And, for the record, I do understand that some people will have that mentality, and I try to be sympathetic, to the extent that it's possible for someone who cannot relate to a situation on a personal level to be sympathetic. But, I take exception (nay, offense) to the implication made by posters like twosomeca, whether overt or covert, that there is somehow something wrong with people who can't relate to it.

 

[Section 101]

Back on topic !!!


KJ met with the Maloofs today

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/03/02/3444980/mayor-johnson-meets-with-maloofs.html

At the game the Maloofs seemed alot different than last game. A lot less nervous. When they met KJ at a timeout they were laughing and smiling together.