Help for Lebron?

ESPN is reporting that the Cavs are going after Ray Allen and Michael Redd in an attempt to give Lebron some help after they resign Big Z.

Lebron, Z and Allen.

Thats a playoff team. At least they are willing to spend the money. Allen turned down a 5 year 71 million extension from Seattle I think so It looks like he may get a nice payday.
 
allen and redd together = way too much dam money! and what they gonna do 2 years down the road when lebrons gonna ask for a huge contract.....
 
Packt said:
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They're trying to get one of those guys, not both.

sorry i misread...... either way 2 years down the road its gonna be hard on them... for example Ray or Redd are going to want a nice contract, Z is too.... and then 2 years later they are going to have to please their star Lebron with a nice chunk of cash......
 
They have $25-30 million in cap space this summer. I don't think money's going to be an issue at all.

Of course, I wouln't even consider maxing Ray Allen out. He's 30 years old, and won't be worth $20 million in 6 years. I'd go after Michael Redd (who's NOT a max player), resign Big Z to a three or four year contract, grab one or two of the 15-20 big men available (like Tyson Chandler and even a player like Mark Madsen), and fill the rest of the roster out. That would at least provide a core for a pretty good playoff team. Players like Larry Hughes, Courtney Alexander, Kareem Rush, Earl Watson, Tyronn Lue, Troy Bell, etc., would fit nicely on that team as well.
 
Superman said:
They have $25-30 million in cap space this summer. I don't think money's going to be an issue at all.

Of course, I wouln't even consider maxing Ray Allen out. He's 30 years old, and won't be worth $20 million in 6 years. I'd go after Michael Redd (who's NOT a max player), resign Big Z to a three or four year contract, grab one or two of the 15-20 big men available (like Tyson Chandler and even a player like Mark Madsen), and fill the rest of the roster out. That would at least provide a core for a pretty good playoff team. Players like Larry Hughes, Courtney Alexander, Kareem Rush, Earl Watson, Tyronn Lue, Troy Bell, etc., would fit nicely on that team as well.

If I thought I could get them I might be tempted to go get Redd AND Hughes, make Hughes the PG, Redd the OG, LeBron the SF (who could bring it up if Hughes was being harassed) and then fill in with hustlers, bangers, defensive types up front. Just not sure there is an inside force at the same level as the two young guards unless Swift is ready to blossom.
 
Bricklayer said:
If I thought I could get them I might be tempted to go get Redd AND Hughes, make Hughes the PG, Redd the OG, LeBron the SF (who could bring it up if Hughes was being harassed) and then fill in with hustlers, bangers, defensive types up front. Just not sure there is an inside force at the same level as the two young guards unless Swift is ready to blossom.


Totally agree. And Big Z would not fit into those plans. I've been saying this in other threads, but I would copy the '90s Bulls. Sign two "point forwards" like Pippen and Harper were, then fill out the roster with inside bangers and bench shooters. An aging, oft-injured center who needs alot of touches to be effective does not fit those plans. But hey, Danny Ferry had such a great playing career, why shouldn't he be a good GM? :rolleyes:
 
Andriod_KiNg said:
I hate this, they dont even talk about other Teams on ESPN... just what Lebron and the Cavs want...

Combination of most cap room and most potential. Not only setting the market, but if they get it right, an instant new power that will be around for a long time.
 
Bricklayer said:
If I thought I could get them I might be tempted to go get Redd AND Hughes, make Hughes the PG, Redd the OG, LeBron the SF (who could bring it up if Hughes was being harassed) and then fill in with hustlers, bangers, defensive types up front. Just not sure there is an inside force at the same level as the two young guards unless Swift is ready to blossom.

That's exactly what I was thinking. If they can get a couple of big guys good for 20 rebounds a game collectively, plus Larry Hughes and Lebron's 6 or 7 a piece, that's automatically a solid rebounding team. Then you have a dead-eye shooter in Michael Redd. And with Lebron and Hughes' penchant for getting to the rim, that's scary.
 
Redd was offered max deal from Millwaukee but its all about him. Play with Lebron and make a little less i would think or play with Bogut and get a lot of money. Hmmm...
 
Redd is definitely not a max player. He doesn't make his teammates better and he is a average passer and rebounder at his position. He is a solid shooter but the same could be said about Mike Miller, Peja Stojakovic, Kirk Hinrich, etc and no one is considering any max deals for any of those three (I hope we dont). Redd, Hughes, and Lebron starting line-up would be unstoppable. Im hard pressed to think of any team that has a better 1-3 lineup. If Milwaukee is offering Redd the max though, there is little chance he'll end up in Cleveland. The extra year and 20 million is gonna be too much to turn down and I'm not even sure Cleveland would want to offer him their max anyway.
 
Superman said:
What is it about Michael Redd that makes him a max player? I'm lost.

That Milwaulkee is desperate to keep him. Nothing more. Be a very dangerous wingman for LeBron, but you can be a very bad team with Michael Redd the "max player" as your #1. Just a shooter.
 
Just a shooter...

I mean, I don't see a big problem with Cleveland giving him 5 years, $60 million (even though that's about $15 million at the end of the deal). That's not bad. But he's not a franchise player. He needs another, better player on his team in order to win anything.
 
FACT: A team can not depend on free agency, ESPECIALY with the current CBA rules, to "BUILD" your team. The most you can hope to get from FA is a complementry player.
 
jacobdrj said:
FACT: A team can not depend on free agency, ESPECIALY with the current CBA rules, to "BUILD" your team. The most you can hope to get from FA is a complementry player.

I agree. When is the last time a big-time free agent went to another team? Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Chris Webber, etc., all signed with their current teams. The last time a true franchise player switched teams via free agency was probably in '96 when Shaq bolted to the Lakers. Or maybe when Tracy McGrady signed with the Magic, but he wasn't considered a franchise player at the time. Point being that it don't happen too often.
 
The Cavs might try and woo Mobely now the Alllen and Redd (almost) are off the market. Is there anyone we could use on the Cavs' roster assuming we do a S&T with Mobley?
 
Is there anyone we could use on the Cavs' roster assuming we do a S&T with Mobley?

Not really. But this could either be good or bad for the Kings. It's bad if the Cavs really want Mobley and are willing to pay top dollar.

It's good if the Cavs only have a little interest in him. Then perhaps Denver gets worried that they will miss out on him and cave in to the Kings demand for Nene.
 
Hughes to Cavs

http://nbadraft.net/prevenas044.asp

By Nick Prevenas
7/7/05
Sources tell NBADraft.net that the Cleveland Cavaliers will sign Washington Wizards' free agent guard Larry Hughes. The deal is reportedly worth an estimated $12 million a year and will run through the 2010 season.

After losing out on Michael Redd and Ray Allen (both of whom resigned with their original teams), the Cavs have landed their shooting guard and LeBron James' running mate. Hughes fills a massive hole for a team in need of perimeter scoring and defense.

Hughes averaged 22 points, 6.3 rebounds, 4.7 assists, and 2.9 steals a game in his breakout season for the Wizards. He was also named to his first All-NBA Defensive First Team. His stellar play was one of the main reasons the Wizards were able to surprise nearly everyone and snag a 5-seed in the 2005 playoffs. Their first-round defeat of the Chicago Bulls was the first Washington playoff series victory since 1982.

While Hughes was one of the league's most sought-after free agent 2-guards, there are concerns surrounding him. First, durability is a issue. He missed 21 games last season due to a broken thumb. He's missed large chunks of time during his seven-year career due to other various injuries. He's only played more than 70 games in a season twice, in 1999-2000 and again in 2001-2002.

Second, for everything he does well, he does not shoot a high percentage from 3-point range. Last season, he shot 28%, which is a slight improvement over his 27% career average. This weakness was especially evident during the Wizards' playoff defeat to the Miami Heat, where he shot 33% from the floor and 25% from three. One of Cleveland's big weaknesses last season was their inability to knock down open threes, and at this point, it's hard to say whether Hughes will help fill that void.

Third, the 2004-2005 season was clearly Hughes' best season as a pro. Some feel that he might've kicked it up a notch in a contract year. He's bounced around a little, playing for three teams (the 76ers, Warriors, and Wizards) during his seven-year tenure. Some even considered him a mild disappointment until the past two seasons. Personally, I think Hughes has always had the ability to put up numbers like he did last season, but he just needed the right situation to prosper. Now we'll be able to see whether he can continue his fantastic play teaming up with King James.

These possible concerns are far outweighed by the positives he brings to this Cavalier ballclub. He is tremendously gifted athlete and can effectively defend three positions. His ability to force steals creates many easy baskets for his teammates. He's also a terrific penetrator who can create open looks for his squad. He's a versatile player who brings a lot of good things to the floor and will allow LeBron James to run wild at the small forward spot.

This is a big move for the Cavs, but they're far from finished. They still need to sign a quality point guard (both Antonio Daniels and Earl Watson's names have been mentioned). In a pinch, Hughes can fill in at the point, but he's built to play the off-guard. They also need to decide what to do with Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Depending on what happens with Big Z, they've expressed interest in signing another athletic bigman to go alongside Drew Gooden (Dalembert, Swift, Brown, etc.). Let's not forget, the Cavs are still in need of a permanent head coach. Signing Hughes is a big first step, but new General Manager Danny Ferry still has a lot of work ahead of him.

Where does this leave the Wizards? Their promising young nucleus has lost a big talent in Hughes. Jarvis Hayes will be expected to shoulder a much bigger scoring load and take over Hughes' role alongside Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison. They'll still be an exciting team to watch, but they'll be hard-pressed to replicate their 45-win output of 2004-2005 without Hughes' contributions.

The Clippers and Nuggets had also expressed interest in Hughes.
 
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Good signing by the Cavs, but the injury concerns with Hughes are very real.

I actually think Watson might be a better signing than Daniels for them, but either of those guys would take some of the scoring load off of James. I just like Watson's toughness and defense more, even though AD has better size. Neither are true point guards or playmakers but with Lebron (and now Hughes) they don't have to be.

The Cavs still need some toughness down low and some depth, but they should make the playoffs assuming they bring back Z and nab one of the PGs. This still isn't a contending roster though.
 
Wow, LeBron and Hughes could be nasty, again if Hughes can sustain at the level he played last year. Eat your heart out PJ -- there was your MJ/Pippen, and you flubbed it for the glitz.


They are still going to need help though -- shooters, inside players. Still a lot of work to do in Cleveland.

And on the other side -- what the hell was Washington thinking? I mean really? First time in forever, you finally don't suck. You've got a young 20pt OG who just made first team All-Defense, and it almost sounds like they weren't even in the running. I mean, what the hell?
 
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if this pans out, i think its much better for cleveland than had they been able to sign allen or redd. i think hughes is the better all-around player of the three. he's stronger than the other two, and a better defender. lebron doesnt need a guy to pass to who can simply jack up shots. he needs a proper complement who can, like himself, do a bit of everything. now cleveland can work on remaining filler roles. they dont need a great point guard. just someone who can bring the ball upcourt, more or less. and hopefully they can re-sign big z. throw in a good head coach, and cleveland is a sure-fire playoff team. i wont say possible contender yet, cuz they still have much to do, but things are looking up for them.
 
I still have not found anything on this on the major sites. Also I find it hard to believe the Wizards would let him go for free.
 
One thing to keep in mind, I didn't realize at first that this article is from NBAdraft.net and no other major sites are reporting this right now. This very well could be completely false. Of course, I hope it isn't. I don't want Cleveland getting desperate and flinging cash at Mobley.

Anyway, if it is true I like it for the Cavs. But Padrino, Hughes isn't shy about putting up shots either. Here's the shots/game for the three big FA SGs:

Ray Allen 19.1
Michael Redd 18.9
Larry Hughes 17.8

So he only averaged about one less shot per game while shooting a slightly lower percentage (a little over 1%) but much less effective from three.

That's not a big deal because of his strong all around game, but James DOES need some shooters around him. Maybe Luke Jackson will actually do something next season.
 
AleksandarN said:
I still have not found anything on this on the major sites. Also I find it hard to believe the Wizards would let him go for free.

realgm.com check it
 
funkykingston said:
Real GM is picking up the story from NBAdraft.net

sorry i didnt read your post... maybe i should read everything before i start posting like an idiot..... :D
 
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