Hawes=Pushover Bee Article

[sactownfan]

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2498470.html


Spencer Hawes hears the criticism.
The Kings' third-year center agrees with some of it, truth be told. He knows he needs to be more consistent"

.------umm and by consistent you mean... consistently give 110%? how bout not being so consistently such a wuss or consistently such a let down in the gym or with your attitude....

"For me, also, it's a big year in terms of going in and being able next summer to start talking about a new contract."- Hawes aka soggy waffles

ok great, good to know when your motivation was for your own benefit or the teams... you didn't care... but now that its almost time to start talking $$$ your planning on being on board this summer... good to know

"If you compare me next to Brock, I don't do a lot of the things he does as far as crashing in there and knocking heads around," Hawes said. "I just don't think I'm built well enough to do some of that stuff. I wish I could. It looks fun as hell. But when I do it, I don't think it has the same impact on the opponents."- Soggy Waffles

yes hawes i agree... your built of soggy waffles.... life is not fair... i mean for Brock because he deserves to be 7ft tall and start...

"A lot of times, I think guys get in trouble when they try to adopt personalities that they're not or a style they're not," he said. "You're here for a reason. I do what I do, and that is what has made me successful."-soggy w.

so what exactly do you do Hawes? jack 3's... check... stand on the 3pt line... check... get own'd in areas with paint... check... avoid rebounds... check... dont contest shots... check...be made out of soggy waffles... check... and what do you mean by successful??? in the NBA??? umm your looking more and more bust each day bro....

"There's stuff I need to add, but that's what's going to continue to make me successful. I think when you try and modify your game so much to make others happier or to heed the criticism … it can be a double-edged sword sometimes."-soggy w.

ok right.... so dont mess everything up by trying to rebound or block shots... you got a good thing going already...

..... to everyone on this board...

as much as i can not stand Hawes at this moment, as much as i didn't want him drafted to this team... i will deep down... still support him and absolutely wish him the best, in that he will succeed and play well... and yes he has shown me some flashes of being a NBA level player but just enough to make me even more disappointed by hes wussy, terrible play

but for real he's terrible right now... im not at all impressed with his "breakout game" vs the GS warriors... lol! Golden State... weak sauce

 

[DeMoN]

do you have a deathwish against hawes?

 

[=LarryLegend=]

but for real he's terrible right now... im not at all impressed with his "breakout game" vs the GS warriors... lol! Golden State... weak sauce

He had a great game against LA.

 

[jon e]

if anyone needs to be bagged on now, its jt. not hawes

 

[sactownfan]

He had a great game against LA.

he did...

my discontent with him is rational... i think we can all, kinda sorta see what he's capable of.... eh.... everyone once in a long while...

but his minds not right.... his answer about only agreeing with "some of it" being the obviously weaknesses in his game... plus hes chatting away about his offense.... when really! who the hell cares if he avg 4pts a game from here on out, if he would just frick'n defend the paint/rebound/and block a few shots... thats the PROBLEM ! ! !

again like someone else said on here.... IT SOUNDS LIKE HAWES IS AFRAID OF THE PAINT... his reference to Brock only made that claim more true... "im not built for banging"-Hawes

"im built of soggy waffles" thats what he should have said right after...

 

[sactownfan]

if anyone needs to be bagged on now, its jt. not hawes

JT's in a slump.... but his numbers are slightly in the realm of Al Horford... in fact he was right with Al until this slump....

JT's drop off is more alarming than Hawes right now or ever... but at least JT showed more and was more consistent

 

[jon e]

JT's in a slump.... but his numbers are slightly in the realm of Al Horford... in fact he was right with Al until this slump....

JT's drop off is more alarming than Hawes right now or ever... but at least JT showed more and was more consistent

true, so i guess youre talking about spencers inability to get nasty in the post on both sides as anybody his size should. i agree

 

[Aenadin]

give the man a break he's only 21 years old were not talking about a finished product here

 

[Tetsujin]

I agree with Hawes. You can't spend too much energy trying to be someone you're not. Just as Kevin Martin will never be a true number one scorer, Kobe Bryant will be a total dillweed, and Spencer will not be a banger. Rather than waiting on him to become a hulking three hundred pound lane clogging blob (which, if this is what you're thinking, you will be sadly disappointed), we should encourage his development in other areas. Pau Gasol isn't exactly an intimidating physical presence on the court (just as Spencer "Pau makes me put up Shaq numbers" Hawes) but he is still feared around the league because of his general skill. Spencer (before you all try to brutally mob me) has the potential to be a similar style player (albeit not as good).

If you're looking for your defensive big look elsewhere because I will guarantee you that Hawes will never become anything better than an average defender. If you're looking for a skilled 7-footer who can hit the long ball as a recipient of Reke's penetration abilities (see LeBron to Big Z), then Hawes is definitely your guy.

 

[jon e]

give the man a break he's only 21 years old were not talking about a finished product here

salamat po

 

[Aenadin]

well he does get some good defensive blocks time and time again. and he can and is willing to do put back Dunks... havent seen b52 do that.

JT worries me though he continues on his slump.


this is just about a guy who if young and physically not yet able to bang with the big boys... its like the center position is a lions den and Spencer is a young cub being initiated...he's going to grow. just takes a little time

i mean what has the conditioning staff done.. kevin is still a twig. hawes doesnt seem to have enough muscles yet?

they should focus on that

 

[cstorm]

Did Hawes hit on your girlfriend?

 

[DocHolliday]

give the man a break he's only 21 years old were not talking about a finished product here

I'm tired of the "give him a break he's only "insert age here". I've heard that for three years. Give him a breka he's 19, give him a break he's 20...Pretty soon it will be "Give him a breake he's only 25, it's only his 6th year".

We've always heard in the 3rd year you really start to see what a player will be.....this is Hawes third year, and we are over half way through.

It's time. No more excuses. To all the people that were slammed for comparing Hawes to Brad Miller....they were closer than not, even though Hawes is shaping up to never be an All-Star like Brad was.

I have the same complaints about Hawes as I did about Miller at the moment in regard to his shape. Get in the gym. LIFT..LIFT....lift *gasp* "heavy" weights. You want to be tougher THAT IS HOW YOU BECOME TOUGHER.

Along with gym work, work on positioning. The rest is EFFORT, and being a little crazy .

 

[DocHolliday]

I agree with Hawes. You can't spend too much energy trying to be someone you're not. Just as Kevin Martin will never be a true number one scorer, Kobe Bryant will be a total dillweed, and Spencer will not be a banger. Rather than waiting on him to become a hulking three hundred pound lane clogging blob (which, if this is what you're thinking, you will be sadly disappointed), we should encourage his development in other areas. Pau Gasol isn't exactly an intimidating physical presence on the court (just as Spencer "Pau makes me put up Shaq numbers" Hawes) but he is still feared around the league because of his general skill. Spencer (before you all try to brutally mob me) has the potential to be a similar style player (albeit not as good).

If you're looking for your defensive big look elsewhere because I will guarantee you that Hawes will never become anything better than an average defender. If you're looking for a skilled 7-footer who can hit the long ball as a recipient of Reke's penetration abilities (see LeBron to Big Z), then Hawes is definitely your guy.

That statement in bold only applies if you suck at drawing, and you want to be an artist, or something similar to that.

Other then that, that statement is loser talk! If I want to be a CIO, guess what I have to do?? Go to school, gain experience, work on my professionalism, keep up on the challenges facing business from a technical and overall perspective, etc.

Saying, well you know, I wasn't really cut out for that whole school thing, I'm an intelligent guy, I think I'll stay in general network support.....but you know...that whole CIO thing does look fun as hell....

LOSER TALK!!! LU-HOO-SUH-HER! Somebody needs to give Hawes a swift kick in the ***.

And for the record....NO ONE...truly fears Hawes in the league. Maybe a 3rd stringer does. Spencer Hawes doesn't even scare me, and I'm not an NBA level player. You know why? Because I know he wouldn't be physical with me.

 

[Smills91]

I'm tired of the "give him a break he's only "insert age here". I've heard that for three years. Give him a breka he's 19, give him a break he's 20...Pretty soon it will be "Give him a breake he's only 25, it's only his 6th year".

We've always heard in the 3rd year you really start to see what a player will be.....this is Hawes third year, and we are over half way through.

It's time. No more excuses. To all the people that were slammed for comparing Hawes to Brad Miller....they were closer than not, even though Hawes is shaping up to never be an All-Star like Brad was.

I have the same complaints about Hawes as I did about Miller at the moment in regard to his shape. Get in the gym. LIFT..LIFT....lift *gasp* "heavy" weights. You want to be tougher THAT IS HOW YOU BECOME TOUGHER.

Along with gym work, work on positioning. The rest is EFFORT, and being a little crazy .

Right, and using that logic, you'd be the Trailblazers who let go of Jermaine O'Neal an NBA all-star, because you're too impatient to listen to reason.

There's no hard and set fast rule that say THREE years or you're out. You gotta use REASON and understand, Hawes IS 21 years old, and he's still got a ways to GO PHYSICALLY. His skills are NBA level already, once the body catches up to those skills, he's going to be one of the better Centers in the entire NBA.

Let's do an exercise here.

Of all the young centers under the age of say, 25....how many will ACTUALLY be better than what Hawes' ceiling is?

Bynum - If you listen to Laker fans, maybe(I honestly don't think so - I think he's a product of their hype)
Noah - Eh, he's better now, but Hawes was better last year. They're different players, but I think Hawes has more potential overall.
Howard - Obviously Dwight wins this.
Oden - I said this on draft night, and I'll re-iterate it again. Hawes will have a better NBA career than Greg Oden(maybe that's based on injuries, but there's just something iffy to me about Oden)
Thabust - Name says it all.

It's impossible to compare against college prospects at this point, but I think Hawes has more talent than Aldrich. I don't know how many other true 5's there are in this up-coming draft, but Hawes has the ability to be a top 3-5 Center in the NBA in 5 years or less, especially with the variety of centers that will be exiting and declining in the league. Their just haven't been many quality centers to come out in the draft in a long time, and Hawes is one of those.

I mean, really, the NBA is DEARTH on young, QUALITY big men that can play Center. You won't see Hawes dominant for years, because he's 21 going up against guys who are consistently 8-12 years his senior.

 

[rhythmless]

I do not see any logical reason that he can say or anyone on this board can say that would preclude him from going to the gym and following a strict regimented diet to cut his fat and bulk himself up. Banging may be a style, but losing weight, adding muscle and enhancing your explosiveness has no downside to basketball. I guess being flabby is his style?

From all the slack people want to cut, and all the excuses people throw out on this board, it's no wonder our children are so behind other countries in terms of education.

I don't care how old he is. I don't care how many years of college he has. You can find many instances of younger people doing more with less than he has. No excuses. He is paid and paid very well to do a job. He has not done that job. Put up or shut up. Period. It's amazing to me how many coddlers want to wrap up poor Spence and shield him from the criticism. Has he been doing his absolute best? Has he been trying to do his absolute best? No. That's all there is to it.

 

[mac]

The organization faces a tough challenge with Hawes, because of his high potential. On one hand the guy clearly hasn't been producing enough results (I decided not to question his effort, but rather his results since we don't know how much effort he puts in), but on the other hand if we give up too early we may regret it. It's like you can't force him to bang around and toughen up with the threat of letting him go, because he has the potential to become a superstar center, and he can easily just quit on you and go to another team, leaving us regretting if one day he does realise that potential.

We'll have to see how the rest of his season goes, now that he says he's all motivated and all

 

[DocHolliday]

Right, and using that logic, you'd be the Trailblazers who let go of Jermaine O'Neal an NBA all-star, because you're too impatient to listen to reason.

There's no hard and set fast rule that say THREE years or you're out. You gotta use REASON and understand, Hawes IS 21 years old, and he's still got a ways to GO PHYSICALLY. His skills are NBA level already, once the body catches up to those skills, he's going to be one of the better Centers in the entire NBA.

Let's do an exercise here.

Of all the young centers under the age of say, 25....how many will ACTUALLY be better than what Hawes' ceiling is?

Bynum - If you listen to Laker fans, maybe(I honestly don't think so - I think he's a product of their hype)
Noah - Eh, he's better now, but Hawes was better last year. They're different players, but I think Hawes has more potential overall.
Howard - Obviously Dwight wins this.
Oden - I said this on draft night, and I'll re-iterate it again. Hawes will have a better NBA career than Greg Oden(maybe that's based on injuries, but there's just something iffy to me about Oden)
Thabust - Name says it all.

It's impossible to compare against college prospects at this point, but I think Hawes has more talent than Aldrich. I don't know how many other true 5's there are in this up-coming draft, but Hawes has the ability to be a top 3-5 Center in the NBA in 5 years or less, especially with the variety of centers that will be exiting and declining in the league. Their just haven't been many quality centers to come out in the draft in a long time, and Hawes is one of those.

I mean, really, the NBA is DEARTH on young, QUALITY big men that can play Center. You won't see Hawes dominant for years, because he's 21 going up against guys who are consistently 8-12 years his senior.

First this didn't address much of what I talk. His mentality HIS WORDS, are that of a loser. That of a person who will not achieve. "I'm just not cut out for that"

Let's use your thought process on that statement. You're only 21 Hawes, how do YOU know what you are cut out for. See this whole brain this is pretty powerful and influential over our actions and what we achieve in life.

I forgot who said this, there is a quote that says "Whether you believe you can, or can't do something you are right." Get it? Hawes won't develop, because he doesn't THINK he can. What he thinks he is good at is running outside, standing at the three point line and getting beat up on. Come on!! At least TRY!! Again, it's loser talk!! Even if Tyreke Evans wasn't having the year he's having you know what he would say?? I want to be the best, so I'm going to work through this. That's what a WINNER says.

To address some of your statments. The problem with Hawes is he has REGRESSED. You said yourself. Hawes was better last year, and Noah is better this year. I'd rather have the guy showing progress, not regression. That's all ANY of us ask. PROGRESS!! And, we aren't seeing it. We are seeing the opposite. We're seeing a guy that for some reason in this system doesn't feel so good about himself, so he's pouting, and not trying.

As far s his good games, the sun even shines on a dog's *** some days.

Bynum IS a better center than Hawes today. He's more physical. Oden's injuries have really hampered him, and that is the ONLY reason Hawes may have a better career. Let's not forget that Hawes has had 5 knee surgeries already, and he wasn't super athletic to begin with.

I would take 3 of the guys on that list over Hawes right now, although I don't view Noah as a true center. Noah is Varejo 2.0.

 

[AriesMar27]

Did Hawes hit on your girlfriend?

nah, but she did give hawes a 180. he probably grabbed her by the arm and was like, "dont look at those soggy waffles."

i kid, i kid... but hawes is a wuss, he's been a wuss all season. im not mad at sactownfan, he's just telling it like it is.

 

[Oprostaj]

Agreed with Doc and Rhythm - the person who said that we would make the Jermain O'Neal mistake - you NEVER know. Hawes might break out next year, the year after that, or 10 years from now. Or he never might. It's an educated guess. Personally, Hawes has not given us what a Center should. There has been numerous discussions about his development, and we have not seen it. It's obvious he has ability, but locking ourselves by his "potential" will screw us. Make a decision and live with it. I'm sure BLazers are killing themselves with the Durant/Oden pick, but you win some you lose some. Unless Hawes shows something, there is trully no reason to mortage our C position of the future with him. One great game and 30 underwhelming ones does not potential make.

By the way, Bynum is 10 x the center that Hawes is currently. He actually plays defense, rebounds, bangs down low and can actually play in the post. NONE of those are Hawes strenghts. This is not about bashing a Kings player, it's wanting what's best for the team. For everybody that's butthurt about these opinions, I was not aware this was a hawesfans.com board. This a team. Put up or shut up.

** Doc, why don't you think Noah is a C? I understand that he's not a back to the basket down low player, but he is always in the post, always fighting for boards, does not spend a ton of time shooting Js... not the prototypical C, but he's miles ahead of Varejao. I like Big V, but he's a scrapper with limited ability. Noah is stronger, more agile, and has a stronger motor.

 

[Pacboy]

Right, and using that logic, you'd be the Trailblazers who let go of Jermaine O'Neal an NBA all-star, because you're too impatient to listen to reason.

There's no hard and set fast rule that say THREE years or you're out. You gotta use REASON and understand, Hawes IS 21 years old, and he's still got a ways to GO PHYSICALLY. His skills are NBA level already, once the body catches up to those skills, he's going to be one of the better Centers in the entire NBA.

Let's do an exercise here.

Of all the young centers under the age of say, 25....how many will ACTUALLY be better than what Hawes' ceiling is?

Bynum - If you listen to Laker fans, maybe(I honestly don't think so - I think he's a product of their hype)
Noah - Eh, he's better now, but Hawes was better last year. They're different players, but I think Hawes has more potential overall.
Howard - Obviously Dwight wins this.
Oden - I said this on draft night, and I'll re-iterate it again. Hawes will have a better NBA career than Greg Oden(maybe that's based on injuries, but there's just something iffy to me about Oden)
Thabust - Name says it all.

It's impossible to compare against college prospects at this point, but I think Hawes has more talent than Aldrich. I don't know how many other true 5's there are in this up-coming draft, but Hawes has the ability to be a top 3-5 Center in the NBA in 5 years or less, especially with the variety of centers that will be exiting and declining in the league. Their just haven't been many quality centers to come out in the draft in a long time, and Hawes is one of those.

I mean, really, the NBA is DEARTH on young, QUALITY big men that can play Center. You won't see Hawes dominant for years, because he's 21 going up against guys who are consistently 8-12 years his senior.

Your example is pretty weak. Jermain O'neal was playing behind Rasheed Wallace and Briant Grant when he was with the Blazer. It was hard for him to fight more minutes with two good veteran ahead of him. Hawes is THE only 7 footer we have!!! There's nobody ahead of him and if he's losing minute to Brockman then that's just because he's a lazy bum.

This whole arguement about he's so young is getting old. What about a guy like Brooke Lopez? Brook Lopez was drafted around the same range as Spencer and by no means were destine to be a surefire star. He maybe even younger than Spencer and he's already doing much much more than Spencer has in 3 years.

 

[AriesMar27]

I do not see any logical reason that he can say or anyone on this board can say that would preclude him from going to the gym and following a strict regimented diet to cut his fat and bulk himself up. Banging may be a style, but losing weight, adding muscle and enhancing your explosiveness has no downside to basketball. I guess being flabby is his style?

From all the slack people want to cut, and all the excuses people throw out on this board, it's no wonder our children are so behind other countries in terms of education.

I don't care how old he is. I don't care how many years of college he has. You can find many instances of younger people doing more with less than he has. No excuses. He is paid and paid very well to do a job. He has not done that job. Put up or shut up. Period. It's amazing to me how many coddlers want to wrap up poor Spence and shield him from the criticism. Has he been doing his absolute best? Has he been trying to do his absolute best? No. That's all there is to it.

true, true, true... like how is he in such bad shape? normal people have an excuse, we cant workout because we have jobs to go to everyday. normal people would be in better shape if all they did was play basketball. hawes is just a wuss... a very tall wuss. if he wanted to he could be in better shape, hit the gym... do something. i dont know, playing basketball keeps me in pretty good shape. but if im being paid for it, i would workout and become stronger so that they'll pay me more.

are you serious hawes? he has a nice low post game but he's too weak to use it.

 

[mac]

By the way, Bynum is 10 x the center that Hawes is currently. He actually plays defense, rebounds, bangs down low and can actually play in the post. NONE of those are Hawes strenghts. This is not about bashing a Kings player, it's wanting what's best for the team. For everybody that's butthurt about these opinions, I was not aware this was a hawesfans.com board. This a team. Put up or shut up

I'm not disagreeing with what you say about Hawes, but I do find your last few sentences a bit offensive. I suggest you not try to impose your opinion on others as a law...

 

[vistacruza_kings]

Sactown fan you should create a whole messege board dedicated to ripping on Hawes

 

[Pacboy]

Oh and I can think of more than just those 5 guys you listed as better than Hawes Right now.

Al Horford
Brooke Lopez
Roy Hibbert
Andres Biedrin

All of them are under 25.

 

[Gabriel]

I just want a center who can consistently stand his guard and defend for the benefit of the team. I don't think Spencer Hawes is ever going to be the answer to that request.

 

[cstorm]

Hawes, however, said he'll remain true to himself while continuing to heed the advice of those who matter most: the team's coaches.


Maybe what we need to do is find a coach that will kick some life in to Hawes. I'm sure finding a good coach for him would be easier than finding a good replacement.

 

[DocHolliday]

Agreed with Doc and Rhythm - the person who said that we would make the Jermain O'Neal mistake - you NEVER know. Hawes might break out next year, the year after that, or 10 years from now. Or he never might. It's an educated guess. Personally, Hawes has not given us what a Center should. There has been numerous discussions about his development, and we have not seen it. It's obvious he has ability, but locking ourselves by his "potential" will screw us. Make a decision and live with it. I'm sure BLazers are killing themselves with the Durant/Oden pick, but you win some you lose some. Unless Hawes shows something, there is trully no reason to mortage our C position of the future with him. One great game and 30 underwhelming ones does not potential make.

By the way, Bynum is 10 x the center that Hawes is currently. He actually plays defense, rebounds, bangs down low and can actually play in the post. NONE of those are Hawes strenghts. This is not about bashing a Kings player, it's wanting what's best for the team. For everybody that's butthurt about these opinions, I was not aware this was a hawesfans.com board. This a team. Put up or shut up.

** Doc, why don't you think Noah is a C? I understand that he's not a back to the basket down low player, but he is always in the post, always fighting for boards, does not spend a ton of time shooting Js... not the prototypical C, but he's miles ahead of Varejao. I like Big V, but he's a scrapper with limited ability. Noah is stronger, more agile, and has a stronger motor.

I like Noah, but it's just what you said. Not a proto-typical center. He's listed at 6' 11", 232lbs. He's definitel a scrappy, but kind of a PF/C

 

[DocHolliday]

Oh, and Smills one more thing. Save this post....

Thabeet will be a far superior center to Hawes when it's all said and done.

Thabeet right now is a guy that you can say, give him a little time. His body needs to grow into his abilities. That I would, and do believe.

 

[cstorm]

I do not see any logical reason that he can say or anyone on this board can say that would preclude him from going to the gym and following a strict regimented diet to cut his fat and bulk himself up. Banging may be a style, but losing weight, adding muscle and enhancing your explosiveness has no downside to basketball. I guess being flabby is his style?

From all the slack people want to cut, and all the excuses people throw out on this board, it's no wonder our children are so behind other countries in terms of education.

I don't care how old he is. I don't care how many years of college he has. You can find many instances of younger people doing more with less than he has. No excuses. He is paid and paid very well to do a job. He has not done that job. Put up or shut up. Period. It's amazing to me how many coddlers want to wrap up poor Spence and shield him from the criticism. Has he been doing his absolute best? Has he been trying to do his absolute best? No. That's all there is to it.

Right on the money!