Grades v. Wolves 11/28

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( B ) -- was our star in the first quarter -- took advantage of no Trenton Hassel, and even after Hassel entered the game was still finding ways to score and efficiently. Was not settling for the three (somehthing he's done a little too much of in the early seasson so far), and I think he was 6 of his first 7 on a variety of shots. But quieted down therafter, and all of the Wolves seemed to keep much better contact with him. Non-factor in the 4th, and hard to tell whether that was his fault, the team's, or the Wolves "D". Got his shot blocked on a simply beautiful interior pass by Webb at the two minute mark. More troublingly, not only continued his non-rebounding, but had a couple of simply embarrassing loose ball situations where he refused to hit the floor to get the ball and the Wolves ended up with it. The word soft is practically a slur but Peja has simply got to give us more hustle. Despite the good shooting early, could almost get a "-" for the other aspects.
Webber ( B ) -- it was a struggle all game long for Webb, but he kept attacking and attacking and got stronger as the game went along. Had an anemic 5pts and 2rebs at half, but by the end of the game he had worked his way into a pretty good game. Not only was providing a lot of our 2nd half offense, but was getting his hands on a lot of balls, creating turnovers, being a pest on defense. Also made a couple of simply beautiful passes, once on an impossible thread-the-needle on the fast break, and once late in the game to Peja for what should have been a layup (got blocked).
Miller ( C+ ) -- apparently channeling his old friend Ron Artest tonight -- was playing right on the edge all night long. Was frustrated by the Wolves frontline length -- just got his shot annihilated inside every time he took his groundbound game to the hoop -- missed or got blocked on layup after layup. Got chippy, made some dumb plays, kept on passing up open jumpers and fouling up the offense. But also seemed to feed off of it at times. Grabbed some tough boards, set a couple of monster picks. Picked up two "T"s, and should have gotten a third for throwing Sprewell out of bounds (wasn't ejected because the second one was for putting a flourish on a dunk -- kind of ironic). Overall numbers ended up looking decent -- was working on the glass and providing some decent help defense. But still, not a very good game, nor a smart one.
Christie ( C- ) -- remarkable only for being so unremarkable. In the first quarter Doug, Bibby and Peja were steadying us while our frontline guys struggled. But after that I barely noticed him out there except for one unfortunate play where he passed up a shot he should have taken, instead threw a bad pass behind Peja who was crashing the boards off the anticipated shot, and the result was an easy fastbreak for the Wolves. Was having a hard time figuring out who he was covering half of the time. He seemed to be guarding everybody and npbody all at once.
Bibby ( B ) -- simply carried us in the second quarter, especially during one stretch where our bench was giving us nothing at all. But was pretty quiet in the second half, and Cassel began to come on and got the better of the 2nd half matchup.
Bjax ( B+ ) -- started slow, but got stronger as the game went along -- in the second half it was he and webb who were providing most of the offense. Made a huge layup and continuation at the three minute mark that unfortunately went for naught as the Wolves pulled away. Got burned a couple of times off the dribble again -- getting concerend that Bobby may have lost a step on defense. Looks god offensively, but just doesn't seem to be able to react to dribble penetration that way he once did.
Songaila ( B+ ) -- solid all around effort tonight. Finally gave us a solid game on the boards, and gave us hustle as always. Also provided some pretty good defense on Garnett for a short stretch. Did struggle to contain Eddie Griffin though, who at times looked like the best player on the floor.
Ostertag ( D ) -- got early minutes because of Brad's early foul trouble and gave us a whole lot of nothing. No boards. No points. Missed his FTs.
Barnes ( C ) -- hustling as always, but no real impact this time out.

Adelman ( B- ) -- the story of this game in a lot of ways was lack of hustle. Is that the coaches fault? Not sure. Fact is we didn't get the loose balls, we didn't get on the boards, we didn't do the hard work you need to to beat an elite team. Offensively was an interesting game -- found ways to get Peja involved early, then Bibby took over in the 2nd quarter, then it was Webb and Bobby in the second half. But never got all of the guys working at once, and were again ata a serious athletic disadvantage -- 12 T-Wolves blocks. Also never got Eddie Griffin under control off the bench, and down the stretch the Wolves badly out-executed us int he alst three minutes. T-Wolves are a very good team, but we need to figure out something a little different if there's a chance we're going to see them in the playoffs again.
 
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Can someone who watched the game explain why CWebb ended up as the only player with 20+ shots when Bibby and Peja both had over 20 points on less than 15 shots *early* in the 4th quarter? Did the Twolves just take those two guys out of the offense, or did CWebb ignore them and try to win the game down the stretch by himself? Just curious.
 
we really are in dire need of blue-collared hustle rebounders if we're to beat better teams in the league on a nightly basis. players who have the i'd-give-up-my-life-for-every-rebound-or-looseball-out-there-on-the-floor attitude. excellence in offensive execution won't always get us the W & that's been a known fact that's plagued us for a couple of seasons already. which brings me to think....are those type of players really that expensive for us due to salary cap issues or none of'em just wanna be in Sacramento? what do y'all think?
 
4cwebb said:
Can someone who watched the game explain why CWebb ended up as the only player with 20+ shots when Bibby and Peja both had over 20 points on less than 15 shots *early* in the 4th quarter? Did the Twolves just take those two guys out of the offense, or did CWebb ignore them and try to win the game down the stretch by himself? Just curious.
There was a stretch in the 2nd and 3rd where Webb took some bad and ill advised shots especially when Peja and Bibby were pretty hot. When his shots came in the flow of the offense in the last part of the 3rd and fourth it looked fine.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
I'd have given Adelman a solid B until the final 2:54; I'm tempted to knock him down to full letters for our execution down the stretch.

If Bricklayer is grading by expectations, this grade shouldn't be affacted much. Adelman's teams are not known for late-game execution. It's not an insult, it's pretty much a fact at this point.
 
I thought that Webb struggled early, but I thought he was more spetacular than good, if that makes sense.

10-23 FG, but had some sensational plays. The behind the back and dunk, the thread the needle pass that was sensational, the steals, the spin move in the lane and left handed lay-up. This is not the same cat that played on one leg last year.

However, 4-10 at the free throw line, three early turnovers. Played solid Defense throughout the night

B plus night.
 
C4_Stojakovic said:
we really are in dire need of blue-collared hustle rebounders if we're to beat better teams in the league on a nightly basis. players who have the i'd-give-up-my-life-for-every-rebound-or-looseball-out-there-on-the-floor attitude. excellence in offensive execution won't always get us the W & that's been a known fact that's plagued us for a couple of seasons already. which brings me to think....are those type of players really that expensive for us due to salary cap issues or none of'em just wanna be in Sacramento? what do y'all think?
We have ONE player who has the attitude you're talking about...Matt Barnes. The more I see of him, the more I like him. Sure, he still makes some mistakes but he has the "blue-collar hustle." Give him some more experience and I think he could well turn out to far exceed most people's expectations.
 
peja16 said:
If Bricklayer is grading by expectations, this grade shouldn't be affacted much. Adelman's teams are not known for late-game execution. It's not an insult, it's pretty much a fact at this point.
The last 3-4 games notwithstanding right?
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Well, I think it can be honestly said that Webber's defense on Garnett was roughly about as good as anyone else has played so far this year...
I thought so also. Web's ability tonight alone on defense AND in the paint has risen to a point I thought not possible since his injury. Peja, on the other hand (ARGH), really did struggle with ball handling tonight and crushed our own offense late in the 4th with that series of 3 bad mistakes (point-blank dunk miss, fumbling the ball and ultimately losing it and not hustling after that loose ball), in about as many plays. The shot clock breaking RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of a change of momentum just nailed the coffin shut. Good game until then...
 
The Score Reveals the Obvious

NO DEFENSE !!!

It was an exciting game and Minny was better tonite ...

The TO's down the stretch ... HURT (making them free-throws woulda helped)

The Kings gave themselves opportunites to win .... couldn't do it.
With under 5 minues, the T'wolves even obliged a few times, but the Kings couldn't capitalize ... then with less then 2 minutes ... the Kings just went COLD and Minny pulled away by NOT MISSING their shots.

FG% - 49 to 45 ... Minny
3pt% - 60 to 40 ... Minny
FT% - 86 to 72 ... Minny
 
Adelman's incapability to adjust on defense actually did hurt us this game. I thought it did vs. the Lakers as well, but we got away with it.

121 points allowed is just embarassing.

The Kings are still to beat a contender this year.
 
C4_Stojakovic said:
we really are in dire need of blue-collared hustle rebounders if we're to beat better teams in the league on a nightly basis. players who have the i'd-give-up-my-life-for-every-rebound-or-looseball-out-there-on-the-floor attitude. excellence in offensive execution won't always get us the W & that's been a known fact that's plagued us for a couple of seasons already. which brings me to think....are those type of players really that expensive for us due to salary cap issues or none of'em just wanna be in Sacramento? what do y'all think?
That's what bugged me about tonight. Those things you are referring to there are effort factors, or heart. I don't think those are things that should have to be taught, niether are they special skills that a select few can have. Normally I think this team gives a great effort in most aspects of the game, but tonight I sometimes wondered if they're heads were really in it. Maybe I was just in a bad mood and thus was a little more harsh than normal, but I thought they were just a little out of sinc. I do think there are a lot of positives that can be taken from this game though. When we stayed in the offense we scored almost at will. I trust the proffesionallism of our players enough to believe that they won't have many nights like this one. It wasn't a horrible game at all so I'm not terribly disspointed, just could never put everything together at once.
 
I just find it strange that I quit checking into the score at the beginning of the 4th when CWebb was 7 for 17, and at that point Peja and Bibby were both 8 for low teens. It appears neither of them got very good looks going down the stretch, which just seems odd considering how well both were shooting the basketball. Apparently Peja was denied at the rim (SHOCKER with the Kings, right?) in the 4th, but otherwise he and Bibby just didn't get the opportunities (or they were taken away/weren't created).

Disappointing to lose this game at home to the Twolves, especially to see the ugly rebounding disadvantage rear its ugly head again. This is the type of game the Kings played to open up TX against Dallas and San Antonio, but they just didn't shoot the ball as well in those two games, so they weren't as close. Just can't give up that many offensive rebounds...
 
Peja stopped getting open looks... Simple as that... Bibby stopped getting looks because Bo-Jax was hittin in the fourth...
 
I understand with the flow of the offense that it's probably going to be one of Bibby/Peja/whoever is hot and CWebb getting most of the looks in the 4th, but it just doesn't make too much sense not to try to get other guys who are shooting well looks in the 4th. CWebb wasn't "hot", and he got six more looks from mid-4th or so on. Bibby and Peja got maybe one each.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Take it easy; we've only played two, since you've decided not to count Phoenix as a contender. And one of them was on a back-to-back.
San Antonio, Dallas, and Minnesotta are contenders in my eyes. Phoenix has a lot more to prove first.
 
Our offense generally doesn't seem to look like it is trying to get the hot guy more shots. Peja's been on fire at times and then gotten frozen out like in an Isaiah Thomas conspiracy.
 
4cwebb said:
I understand with the flow of the offense that it's probably going to be one of Bibby/Peja/whoever is hot and CWebb getting most of the looks in the 4th, but it just doesn't make too much sense not to try to get other guys who are shooting well looks in the 4th. CWebb wasn't "hot", and he got six more looks from mid-4th or so on. Bibby and Peja got maybe one each.
We really really didn't lose this game on the offensive end of the court.

Peja did that hard to define thing where he was just never open -- hard to define because its hard to figure out exactly who's fault it is, or whether the other team just made adjustments.

Bibby just wasn't looking for the shot. And the one open three he did get missed badly. But we still scored 110. Like I say, that side of the floor wasn't perfect, but it really wasn't the problem.
 
Bartking said:
Our offense generally doesn't seem to look like it is trying to get the hot guy more shots. Peja's been on fire at times and then gotten frozen out like in an Isaiah Thomas conspiracy.
Our offense has always been "if you're open, shoot it". The only time we ever really have intentionally forces to a particular player are off of called plays in a timeout, or if one of our big guys (normally Webb) is having a strong floor game and intentionally trying to set people up.

In any case though, I don't really think either Peja or Mike was particularly hot after half, and all of those long bodies the Wolves have were disrupting things for us on offense -- hard to call a play and get the exact shot you want when the other side has a bunch of shotblockers that can take it away.
 
I think the Timberwolves won because they out-shot the Kings. They made more shots, and made shots that until the last second were well-defended. Late in the game, they just made everything they threw up.

49% fieldgoal percentage
60% 3-pointer percentage
86% of free-throws

Plus, they out-rebounded the Kings 51 to 37.

Plus Peja can't bend over to pick up a ball. His back must hurt.
 
SacTownKid said:
The grades that really count:

Rebounding - D
Defense - F+
Hussle - F
Yup. This was a very frustrating game to watch. Pathetic effort and dumb mistakes lost this game for the Kings. How many more wide open threes will Griffin have to make before someone on the Kings stays within 15 feet of him for more than the first 10 seconds of the shot clock?

I think Brick was too easy on Brad. He was absolutely moronic tonight and he really hurt us out there with the bad decisions and technicals. Peja also really ticked me off with some of the plays he made on the defensive end.
 
Peja never hits the floor. I love peja, but I can't stand knowing that he will never take a dive for a loose ball. He really reinforces the stereotype that euros are soft. I wish he could take a page from Kirilenko's book, or even from up-and-coming point guard Marko Jaric, Peja's countryman.
 
Vlad said:
Peja never hits the floor. I love peja, but I can't stand knowing that he will never take a dive for a loose ball. He really reinforces the stereotype that euros are soft. I wish he could take a page from Kirilenko's book, or even from up-and-coming point guard Marko Jaric, Peja's countryman.
I think I understand why he doesn't hit the floor. Did you actually see what happens when he does ? He grabs every single part of his body and then starts grimacing, as if he was being hit by missiles from an unknown source.

Tonight his knee scratched the floor, and he started massaging his jaw and checking his eyes. Then he stood up as if he was run over by a bulldozer.
 
I didn't get a chance to see the game last night, but was following up-to-the-minute scores on one of the channels, and was very surprised to see how everything went downhill in the last 2 minutes of the game. I couldn't believe how many baskets we allowed in just those last 2 min. Silly!
 
Stojakovic said:
I think I understand why he doesn't hit the floor. Did you actually see what happens when he does ? He grabs every single part of his body and then starts grimacing, as if he was being hit by missiles from an unknown source.

Tonight his knee scratched the floor, and he started massaging his jaw and checking his eyes. Then he stood up as if he was run over by a bulldozer.
Sometimes I wonder whos the baby in the Stojakovic family..... Pedja or Andrej.....Sad but true..


Mike Bibby also went ice cold in the 4th. I believe he didnt score in that 4th quarter.
 
C4_Stojakovic said:
if we're to beat better teams in the league on a nightly basis. players who have the i'd-give-up-my-life-for-every-rebound-or-looseball-out-there-on-the-floor attitude. QUOTE]

as weird as it may sound, dennis rodman was like that.
 
Stojakovic said:
I think I understand why he doesn't hit the floor. Did you actually see what happens when he does ? He grabs every single part of his body and then starts grimacing, as if he was being hit by missiles from an unknown source.

Tonight his knee scratched the floor, and he started massaging his jaw and checking his eyes. Then he stood up as if he was run over by a bulldozer.
I always put it down to an aftereffect of the injury that happened to him in Greece. Understandedly, having your leg snap like a twig and the bone sticking out would be traumatic, and although I don't think it's something he ever thinks about now, I do think it contributed to what by now are deeply ingrained habits
 
Kingsgurl said:
I always put it down to an aftereffect of the injury that happened to him in Greece. Understandedly, having your leg snap like a twig and the bone sticking out would be traumatic, and although I don't think it's something he ever thinks about now, I do think it contributed to what by now are deeply ingrained habits
I was thinking the same thing. I also wonder if that is why he goes for the layup instead of trying to dunk.
 
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