[Grades] Grades v. Wizards 3/14/2015

I am disappoint:

  • Casspi

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • McCallum

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • McLemore

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Landry

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Williams

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Stauskas

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Miller

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Evans

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Karl

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Grading becomes tough around this time every year. At least for this franchise. If I'd chosen to take up this mantle for the Mavs a dozen years back this would have been the 12th straight year where I'd be slowly morphing the grades into a consideration of who was peaking for the playoffs, and who was going into them cold.

Well, we aren't peaking for much of anything. And I used this joke a week or two ago, but please, this is exactly the sort of thing they used as an excuse to can Malone, except the Malone collapses were against better teams and we fought harder to stop them right down to the wire. These losses though...besides Boogie who himself finally lost his cool over this crap, who on this roster can you feel good about right now? Its just been a scorched earth display of incompetence, softness, lack of heart and confidence. Our young SG doesn't show up 3 out of every 4 nights, our old PG seems spiraling out of control making more and more and more stupid errors, our scrappy hustling backup SF has quit producing at all, our #2 weapon won't play defense, our 2nd round pick starting by default PG can't run offense when squeezed, the undersized PF we signed for $25mil two years ago does almost nothing, gets no minutes, and may not have much left...hey, at least DWill has good offensive stretches under this system right? Oh, and Stauskas was our best SG.

There's no joy in this, but hey, when the going gets tough, the tough...hang in there and deliver them Fs. If I could hand out detention I would.

I also see no godly reason not to just do Girls. Oh, and a Girls theme? How about we find Sim a girlfriend? Or 3.0 a mascot for our Indian outreach? Accordingly: Bollywood Babes it is.

Boxscore

Stats: 15min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Casspi ( D ) -- so no Rudy for this one, have to start Omri instead, and you're thinking ok maybe we gain in scrap and its a chance for Omri to get going. Maybe? Er...thanks Omri! Instead we got...well, virtually nothing. There were a few attempts to be a passer early. He jumped in the air along the baseline on one attempt for aturnover, but got another one threw to Cuz for a dunk. And...well, and nothing. And played some sloppy D I suppose. In the early 3rd during his second stint Cuz returned the passing favor and Omri got his only score on a layin. A couple of plays later blew by Pierce on the wing, was on his way for a layin, and then a darting guard came over and slapped the ball away to prevent him from doubling his night's point total. Meanwhile Pierce heated up in the 3rd while we collapsed, and while not all of it was against Omri, the parts of it that were left you shaking your head as Omri seemed to be trying, but just doing all the little things wrong. Taking the wrong angle, not anticipating, turning his head...Just wouldn't know where to start in cleaning that up. Karl started by removing him from the game.
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Sherlyn Chopra

Stats: 19min 8pts (4-6, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Landry ( C+ ) -- scored in a variety of ways, doing almost all his damage in the first quarter. Got a hook, ran the floor for a layup. His other score would come on the very first play of the 3rd with a little jumper. And that was pretty much the extent of his contributions. Our starting forwards tonight combined for 2 rebounds in 34 combined minutes. With DWill flying off the bench with another 1 rebound in 33 minutes, our forwards were completely bleeping worthless in helping the big guy in there. At least his particular one did a little scoring, although not really in the ways or at the times to draw much defensive attention to himself. Drew Gooden, his main opposition, didn't really pay much attention to him, and had exactly reverse types of numbers -- Gooden did not shoot or score, he just gobbled boards where Landry was barely competitive. Late in his stint Landry got caught guarding some Pierce, and just not quick enough anymore, despite Pierce aging in dog years.
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Sameera Reddy

Stats: 30min 30pts (9-17, 0-0, 12-16) 6reb 5ast 0stl 1blk 3TO
Cousins ( B+ ) -- despite the big numbers, this was kind of the tired game you expected after the monster Philadelphia effort. What really keyed the game for Cuz was that his jumper was just flat on from the opening moments of the game. And as he splashed in one after another it really messed up the Wizards apparent plan of just throwing as many beefy bodies as they could out there underneath the hoop to bang with Cuz. But Cuz's legs weren't entirely shot, and while not rebounding until late ( a problem with Casspi and Landry giving us nothing, less of one with JT or Reggie out there with him) he still had enough oomph to come up with a posterizing block on his pal Wall, and once the Wizards started reacting to his jumpers to start rumbling inside for dunks and free throws, including a big alley oop on a nicely designed and run play to close the half. leaving him at 21pts, or 60 total in his last 6 quarters of action at that point. thing was it was 21pts....1reb, and something like 3 assists. The thing that plagued him all night long though was fouls, and maybe some of that was fatigue too. because I thought all but 1 of them probably were fouls, and Cuz arguing them so vociferously..it was like big guy...just stop doing what you are doing and there won't be a foul. But it was just a little sloppy, taking random risks, some that worked, some that didn't. Cuz was dominating the game, but it never really felt as dialed in as all that. And then in the 4th he picked up his 5th foul when Stauskas turned a great play into a terrible one, leaving Cuz back alone having to try to stop a Wizards break. I think he added a technical there too. And then picked up his 6th on what clearly was a foul Cuz, if you are listening, after he ran down a long rebound, led the break, and really should have, in a more controlled moment, dumped it off to Ben I think. Instead he tried to take it in himself, a charge, and he was gone. But not without really flipping out at the refs and having to be held back by his teammates, one of whom, I forget who, looked back at the ref and put up one hand with kind of an eyeroll and headshake, like, no need to T him, we'll take care of this. Anyway, I interpret a lot of the ref fighting after half as just terrible frustration not only with his foul trouble, but of course with another collapse he could not arrest when he just wanted to come out and thump his old college buddy. Is that really too much to ask? Still put in 30pts in 30min, but my lord does he need help. Sans Collison AND Gay you look around and are just blindly hoping for...you don;t even know what.
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Ayesha Takia -- no that's not a photoshop

Stats: 28min 7pts (2-10, 1-7, 2-2) 4reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
McLemore ( D- ) -- this tease thing with Ben is getting old. He's like a dowdy nun who every week or two heads down to the beach, drops the habit, and shows off a supermodel's body as she lays out tanning in a string bikini, then gets dressed and goes back to the nunnery to hide out again. I think this one had to be better than the Philly game...kinda. I mean, in Philly you weren't even sure he was on the court. Here, he kinda tried, kinda, and just failed. On our very first possession he got out on the break, got fouled, and hit the FTs. It was all downhill after that. Forced a dumb three off his dribble . Lost Beal on defense repeatedly, fortunately Beal started the game trying to have a suck off with Ben. (hmm...that actually came out sounding wrong, but you know what I meant -- they were both terrible until Beal woke up). Missed another three. Had the ultimate indignity of going to the bench and watching Nik Stauskas come in and play his position better than he did. He hit his only three of the night in the early third, then these are my remaining notes, verbatim as I took them: Got a jam attempt blocked by Gortat. Blown by by Beal. Missed another three. Help! Sigh. There was no Rudy this game, Ben could have had absolutely as big of a role as he could handle. Unfortunately he couldn't handle anything as it turned out. Ben shot 4-16 in Atlanta. Came back with the big 10-16 night in Charlotte. And then finished the roadtrip 4-17 in these last two games. When they reboot the Sister Act franchise, which they will because Hollywood is out of ideas and reboots everything, Ben might be able to score a bit part.
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Aarti Chabria

Stats: 29min 15pts (5-8, 2-2, 3-4) 6reb 6ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
McCallum ( B- ) -- may have been the best support player Cuz had, certainly in the starting lineup, and yet was sitting on all of 11pts 5ast at the point the big guy fouled out and the game was unofficially over. His first stint was actually largely empty. A couple of easy assists to Cuz for some of his jumpers, that was about it. But he came up with a nice surge late in the half, hit a long jumper, got a drive, then drained a three after a laser crosscourt pass from Cuz. And closed the half setting up Cuz on a nicely executed drive and oop to make the lead 18 going into the break. He was having sporadic problems staying in front of Wall, but overall it was forgiveable while we were winning. Unfortunately then we stopped winning. He set up Ben for his only three in the early 3rd, then got setup himself by Cuz for his 2nd three....and then got very quiet as Wall turned on the jets and blew us off the court, including atypically bombing corner threes. Ray got beat, went to the bench in favor of Miller, came back in but the game had turned and he wasn't going to turn it back himself. Then we lost Cuz, and the remainder of Ray's numbers were stacked up in the hopeless no Collison, no Gay, no Cousins semi-garbagetime minutes at the end. Most of this production came in that one one late 2nd quarter burst, but hey, at least he had a burst. And he worked well with Cuz.

Take II (Capt.):
McCallum ( D+ ) --Ray wasn't necessarily great tonight, but at the very least he wasn't the problem. Defensively he got burned by John Wall, over and over again, but at least he was putting in the effort. He TRIED to stay in front, he switched when he had to, he found SOMEBODY to guard even if it was Gortat in the post, which is more than I can say for our other PG tonight. That said, the results were not good. I have Ray's man going 6-6 from the floor and 7-8 from the free throw line in my notes. That effort makes him our BEST PG defender tonight (the faint of heart ought not to read my writeup on Miller below...OK, I'm trying to be nice, but the faint of heart definitely ought not read the game thread...or likely THIS thread). On the good side, Ray was crashing the boards, and he was doing a pretty good job of passing. He consistently fed Cousins (gee, that's a key) and ended up with 6 assists. He also shot well, hitting both of his threes and finishing with a nice 15 points. But there's no way that I'm moving up to the C line for a guy whose defensive results (not effort) were very poor and who played on a team that blew a 21-point lead in the second half and went on to lose by 16. --Capt.
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Sonal Chauhan
 
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Bench

Stats: 23min 4pts (2-5, 0-0, 0-0) 5reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Thompson ( C ) -- fairly physical if not terribly productive backing up Cuz in the first half, and we didn't die a softness death with the big guy out. Hit a long jumper to start the 2nd, but excepting bizarre 20/20 game aberrations, in modern day JTland that rarely leads anywhere, and did not here. Still showed a willingness to bang with Gortat and the other Wiz bigs in his second half minutes, but didn't get much done except grab a few boards. We lost 11pts off our lead/deficit in his first second half stint, then needed him some more after Cuz fouled out. Shrug game. We didn't lose this because of JT, but neither was he any kind of real support player.
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Asin Thottumkal

Stats: 22min 4pts (1-6, 0-2, 2-3) 4reb 7ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Miller ( D+ ) -- despite not being able to stay in front of Wall, in the first Miller was much more the floor general we have come to expect, notching 4 assists as the offense perked. Then the rest of the game happened. Real dumb turnvoer in the early 2nd leading directly to 2 Washington points. Back in to stabilize us in the 3rd, and immediately got caught on a pick as Wall hit a three to make the lead 7. This would become a common theme as Wall treated his old mentor/backup like, well, an OLD mentor/backup. Oversaw our meltdown and made a completely stupid play again in the final second of the 3rd as instead of holding the ball for the last shot he AGAIN raced all the way up court and fell on his ass for a turnover to give the ball back to the Wizards with 12 seconds to go. WALK IT UP YOU FOOL. Continues to notch assists and distribute, but his defense and decisionmaking has been terrible this trip. When you get old your body goes, your looks go, your hair goes...the one thing that makes you valuable is your experience and knowledge. When you are both old and making dumb kid mistakes, what use are you?

Take II (Capt.):
Miller ( F ) -- Miller had seven assists in the first half, and you know what? I don't care. I don't care because not only did he have zero assists (setting up a total of four shots) in the second half, but more than that he was flat out terrible, particularly on the defensive end. Sure, he made an absolutely stupid and boneheaded play for a two-century veteran by refusing to hold the ball for the final shot of the third, instead going for an ill-advised drive, slipping, and getting called for the travel. Sure, but the bigger problem was the defense, or as Grant said the exact moment I was writing this sentence, "lack thereof". Miller was actually OK defensively in the first half, but then the Wizards figured out the secret - play John Wall instead of Ramon Sessions. Yep, that was the key. So instead of Andre Miller's "I'm not going to bother to play defense" shtick being transparent, it becomes something of a problem. Miller came in relatively early in the third quarter (at about the 5:30 mark) and John Wall hit an immediate three - within a few seconds of Miller checking in. And that was as good as it was going to get for the Kings with Miller on the floor. He spent the entire second half either allowing jump shots, or allowing easy penetration, or just not bothering to cover anybody whatsoever (this happened multiple times). After this debacle I am officially off of the "sign Miller next year" bandwagon. Veteran savvy (sometimes) on one side of the ball does not make up for Completely Awful on the other side. --Capt.

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Neetu Chandra

Stats: 34min 15pts (6-11, 3-6, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Williams ( B- ) -- and so this long strange all offense no anything else trip DWill has been on under Karl continued, and one more time, particularly without Rudy there, you couldn't quite dismiss it. At least not in the first half. Came in aggressively on offense and hit his shots from everywhere, inside, outside, threes, was just flat hot, and for the second night in a row for the first half the main guy other than Boogie doing damage. And for the second night in a row came back in the third, and it was just all gone. No more open lanes and suddenly he did nothing. Got a three canned in his face to cut the lead to 2. Blew an alley oop in the early 4th going for too much. Was a smidge late on a couple of corner closeouts (made an effort, just not soon enough). He disappeared. Cuz fouled out. We lost. Woohoo.
Note: In the past 11 games DWill is averaging 21.1min 9.9pts 1.6reb 0.4ast 0.5stl 0.0blk. Per 36 that's 16.7pts 2.7reb 0.7ast. Nik young's career Per 36: 18.6pts 3.1reb 1.6ast.
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Priyanka Kothari

Stats: 18min 6pts (2-3, 0-0, 2-3) 6reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Evans ( B- ) -- did what he does, with a couple of loose turnovers thrown in, which can also be part of what he does. Got in the game in the late first and immediately grabbed a rebound. Another strong rebound in the early 2nd and a finish and a foul at the rim. Was actually giving a good defensive effort against Seraphin, but Seraphin hitting tough shots over him. Stayed in when Cuz returned, and the two of them paired was our best frontcourt of the game for that stretch. But Reggie also had 2 bad TOs in that quarter trying for too much on passes, and when he returned in the second half he was banging around with Blair, and it neither guy was able to get much done. Fouled at the end of a sloppy sequence in the early 4th. Airballed the first FT, swished the 2nd.
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Udita Goswami

Stats: 23min 6pts (3-9, 0-2, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 1stl 1blk 0TO
Stauskas ( B- ) -- you know you have a lineup hole when Nik Stauskas shows up, shoots 3-9, and might have been your 2nd best guard. Played a notably aggressive 2nd quarter stint driving hard to the hoop with mixed success. Even grabbed an offensive board and followed it. Wasn't efficient per se, but was much closer to the summer league kid capable of making a variety of little contributions. Good little pass to JT for a flip in the late 3rd and added a little side pullup in the early 4th to briefly hold off the Wiz and push the lead back to 3. Unfortunately his most memorable play came a minute later when he made a steal with a chance to be a hero, and then ****ing blew it with yet another bad Kings decision , challenging Gortat out on the break rather than pulling it out, getting blocked, and sending the Wizards back the other way on the 3 on 1 break to draw the 5th on Cuz trying to defend the rim. I can't help but see pace and Karl behind so many of our idiot plays as we spiral again. Go go go! Nobody ever slows down to think. They all feel like somebody is chasing them downcourt with a calculator screaming PACE!!!! and recklessly flail on into traffic rather than making a smart play.
 
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I already know what the grades will be, so I can easily avoid the redundancy of yet another Girls thread.
 
Mike Malone should seriously finish 5th in the NBA coach of the year balloting.
I really wish people on here would get off Mike Malone's nuts.....seriously I was one of the people who argued no way should the Kings fire Malone but every 2nd or 3rd post on here is how great Malone was off a 15 game sample.

How are we going to compare Mike Malone's time here when the team was fresh/healthy/motivated (cause they thought they could make the playoffs) to what Karl has where we are missing one of our best 3 players on a thin team in terms of talent, the team has nothing to play for (minus a couple players playing for contracts and such) and we don't even know if Karl is even trying to win or if he's simply experimenting seeing what he has.

Again it was 15 games.........I appreciate what Mike did but people are acting he's some sort of coaching Jesus.
 
I really wish people on here would get off Mike Malone's nuts.....seriously I was one of the people who argued no way should the Kings fire Malone but every 2nd or 3rd post on here is how great Malone was off a 15 game sample.

How are we going to compare Mike Malone's time here when the team was fresh/healthy/motivated (cause they thought they could make the playoffs) to what Karl has where we are missing one of our best 3 players on a thin team in terms of talent, the team has nothing to play for (minus a couple players playing for contracts and such) and we don't even know if Karl is even trying to win or if he's simply experimenting seeing what he has.

Again it was 15 games.........I appreciate what Mike did but people are acting he's some sort of coaching Jesus.

I agree...and it was 24 games this season plus 82 the first season but I see your point. People need to just let it go, as much as we don't want to admit it, the only reason why the Kings didn't hire Karl immediately after the firing was with the intention of tanking for a draft pick, regardless of what we want to believe IMO.
 
I agree...and it was 24 games this season plus 82 the first season but I see your point. People need to just let it go, as much as we don't want to admit it, the only reason why the Kings didn't hire Karl immediately after the firing was with the intention of tanking for a draft pick, regardless of what we want to believe IMO.
I say 15 cause I don't really think it's fair to judge him or any coach minus DMC
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again. I want Girls to have a different theme every time, to keep things fresh. Please think of a G-rated, or at least a PG-rated theme!
So, like, cartoon girls?

The ladies of Archer? Some anime?

I dig.
 
He's the only coach thus far who had opposing teams fearing this roster, so, yeah, he's my Shuttlesworth.
Last years 76ers started 5-5 with wins over Miami (with Bron). Washington, Chicago and Houston (4 playoff teams)
Last years Lakers started 13-13

Lot's of bad teams start off well and quit as the season goes on.
 
Last years 76ers started 5-5 with wins over Miami (with Bron). Washington, Chicago and Houston (4 playoff teams)
Last years Lakers started 13-13

Lot's of bad teams start off well and quit as the season goes on.
That's pretty disingenuous, and you know it. We never got the chance to find out, but teams that play defense and grind it out on offense play a more sustainable style.
 
Last years 76ers started 5-5 with wins over Miami (with Bron). Washington, Chicago and Houston (4 playoff teams)
Last years Lakers started 13-13

Lot's of bad teams start off well and quit as the season goes on.

prime example that comes to mind this season are the Raptors....they started off well and had a good record going into the all-star break...since then, they've been a chuck fest team.
 
Last years 76ers started 5-5 with wins over Miami (with Bron). Washington, Chicago and Houston (4 playoff teams)
Last years Lakers started 13-13

Lot's of bad teams start off well and quit as the season goes on.

Key word!!
Don't compare our 2 starts when the 76ers didn't have talent. Our start was matched with talent and a franchise player the didn't have that type of talent.
 
Key word!!
Don't compare our 2 starts when the 76ers didn't have talent. Our start was matched with talent and a franchise player the didn't have that type of talent.
So it other words what Philly/Lakers did was more impressive since they did it with less talent? I don't see how they are not similar all 3 are lottery teams who had key injuries (Kobe for the Lakers/MCW in Philly) and completely folded. Every single year bad teams start off hot difference is good teams keep it going or turn it around.
Comical that people in here still question malone probably the same ones who thought the grass is greener on the other side. Now we are ****ed.
I'm not questioning Malone since he should not have lost his job what I'm questioning is making a god out of someone based on 15 games of basketball to start off a season which is literally occurring in every single thread.
 
I think it's more about style of play than who was coaching, really.

Malone had warts. But he also had the team playing a style that historically leads to contending AND meshed well with our franchise big.

Vivek, PDA, and Mullin, being the arrogant tools that they are, ditch Malone in favor of a style that not only doesn't mesh well with our franchise player, but also has historically led to nothing but early playoff exits.

Now we're seeing the results of their asinine decisions.

It's a lot bigger than who is currently coaching.
 
So it other words what Philly/Lakers did was more impressive since they did it with less talent? I don't see how they are not similar all 3 are lottery teams who had key injuries (Kobe for the Lakers/MCW in Philly) and completely folded. Every single year bad teams start off hot difference is good teams keep it going or turn it around.

I'm not questioning Malone since he should not have lost his job what I'm questioning is making a god out of someone based on 15 games of basketball to start off a season which is literally occurring in every single thread.

The point about the 76ers was not that it was impressive it's if the winning was sustainable. If you have no talent most likely it will catch up to you and you'll get exposed. We have a franchise player and another star who can make it that our winning was sustainable.


And with malone we love him because he was pegged as a defensive genius and a top coaching candidate for years. We saw the results of his defensive genius so the hype on him was war rented.
 
So it other words what Philly/Lakers did was more impressive since they did it with less talent? I don't see how they are not similar all 3 are lottery teams who had key injuries (Kobe for the Lakers/MCW in Philly) and completely folded. Every single year bad teams start off hot difference is good teams keep it going or turn it around.

I'm not questioning Malone since he should not have lost his job what I'm questioning is making a god out of someone based on 15 games of basketball to start off a season which is literally occurring in every single thread.
My only fear is that people that have the same opinion as you would get annoyed to the point that you change your opinion :(
 
The point about the 76ers was not that it was impressive it's if the winning was sustainable. If you have no talent most likely it will catch up to you and you'll get exposed. We have a franchise player and another star who can make it that our winning was sustainable.


And with malone we love him because he was pegged as a defensive genius and a top coaching candidate for years. We saw the results of his defensive genius so the hype on him was war rented.

But even then, it took 2 off-seasons and a full regular season to start seeing those results with Malone. Had we started the year 4-10 as many expected, the general consensus about Malone would be something like "Liked him, but wasn't getting the job done"

And still, 15 game sample size of a level of play that simply wasn't sustainable.
 
And still, 15 game sample size of a level of play that simply wasn't sustainable.
Why? Why isn't tough nosed defense and attacking the basket sustainable?

I'm really sick of people saying this, when everything in the history of anything says it actually is. It's not like we were shooting lights out under Malone. In fact, we were due for improvement in this area, since the odds that we would continue to shoot so poorly from the outside...well, nevermind that point. But if we were shooting from outside at a historically comically high clip then yeah, I could see the point.

It's time for people to defend this position.

Malone's style is about as sustainable as it gets. What it isn't, however, is pretty. If people simply acknowledge that it was an egregious decision, then I suppose we can move on.
 
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Why? Why isn't tough nosed defense and attacking the basket sustainable?

I'm really sick of people saying this, when everything in the history of anything says it actually is. It's not like we were shooting lights out. In fact, we were due for improvement in this area, since the odds that we would continue to shoot so poorly from the outside...well, nevermind that point.

It's time for people to defend this position.

Malone's style is about as sustainable as it gets. What it isn't, however, is pretty. If people simply acknowledge that it was an egregious decision, then I suppose we can move on.
It will be interesting to see this debate unfold.
 
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