[Grades] Grades v. Wizards 2/9/2014
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The suggestion is that people don't like him for a personal reason. Can't be 'cause he's black. He's not white. What else could there be that is obvious to us all? Maybe people don't like him 'cause he is hurting the team. That's my reason.
I note that it has hit the media that the team wants to trade him for a more traditional pg. Maybe that's why he was angry yesterday. You reap what you sew. If you chose to be selfish on a team that wants to change it's culture to be team oriented, you have to know that you either change your attitude or pack your bags. I wonder if Jerry and Grant agree with the FO.
I note that it has hit the media that the team wants to trade him for a more traditional pg. Maybe that's why he was angry yesterday. You reap what you sew. If you chose to be selfish on a team that wants to change it's culture to be team oriented, you have to know that you either change your attitude or pack your bags. I wonder if Jerry and Grant agree with the FO.
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How about he'll do until they can get someone to start via trade or draft and have him come in as a super sub off the bench. Id rather see his "push the tempo" game coming off the bench. The Kings are building a half court team with Cousins and Gay, and they need to keep building on that. They need a 3 & D pass first PG with assist skills. Hard to come by but I'm sure they are looking hard. T - Minus 10 days and counting before the deadline.
I don't want to speak for anybody else, but from my point of view, I would say that what has frustrated me greatly about a large number of the last two months' worth of posts is that people dislike him to a magnitude greatly out of proportion to his basketball skills (or lack thereof). Not that there's anything personal there, just that it's so disproportionate. Why? I don't know. Is it an overreaction to the few die-hard IT fans (most of whom seem to have wandered off, for some bizarre reason)? Maybe. Is it backlash against Jerry, who is paid to say nice things about him (and the rest of the team)? For some, apparently. Has it spiraled out of control? In my opinion, yes.
Q: Any chance the Kings would be interested in trading for Jeremy Lin? I know they’re looking to upgrade at the point. Steve Kyler: I have not heard anything about JLin to the Kings. I continue to hear they like Andre Miller. Basketball Insiders
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The Kings still like Isaiah Thomas, but they are also interested in acquiring a true point guard as the trade deadline approaches, a source said. Yahoo! Sports
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Uh no. This is a distortion of what has been reported. It says we still like IT, but want a more traditional PG and presumably move IT back to the 6th man. Been no reports of us shopping him, or us unhappy with him, or him unhappy with the team and wanting to be moved. Perhaps sticking to facts would be helpful in the future?
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The Kings still like Isaiah Thomas, but they are also interested in acquiring a true point guard as the trade deadline approaches, a source said. Yahoo! Sports
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Uh no. This is a distortion of what has been reported. It says we still like IT, but want a more traditional PG and presumably move IT back to the 6th man. Been no reports of us shopping him, or us unhappy with him, or him unhappy with the team and wanting to be moved. Perhaps sticking to facts would be helpful in the future?
In general, I agree with you on the play of our SG's. But I think you have to give credit when its due, and last night McLemore played pretty good defense. I think everyone is so intent on his being terrible, that they just make assumptions and don't even watch what he's doing on the court. He made a couple of mistakes, but he was far better than Thornton, who was downright terrible on defense. Offensively, he scored almost all of his points in the second half, and the majority of those came in the fourth quarter, when no one else seemed to be able to score.
That's great. I saw a lot of kings fans in the audience. I don't think any of guys play with chemistry. It hurt so bad to see the Wizards sharing the ball and playing team ball. That's what the kings should be doing. I think we go into too much iso with Gay and Cuz. Gay has always had a bad shot selection, but this time they're just not falling. I think Jimmer needs to play with either Cuz or Gay. If he doesn't play with them, I'd rather have him just shoot the ball vs trying to set up Gray and Acy which always comes short.
They did run the pick and roll, especially at the beginning of the game, but the Wiz were defending the roll part very well. It appeared to me that their game plan was to make IT beat them and to try and shut down Cousins and Gay. Both were doubled the moment they touched the ball, and Gortat, who is the anti-Cousins, did a remarkable job of fronting Cousins all night long. The result was a lot of open looks for IT, and he made the majority of those open looks, especially the mid-range one's. The Wiz seemed fine with that as long as they held Cousins and Gay down.
Wall ran the pick and roll down our throats, and he should have had 6 or 7 assists in the first half alone, if Gortat or Nene had been able to make a layup. And he did shoot over IT. Fortunately, he missed more than he made. But Wall went anywhere he pleased whenever he wanted. Wall is a very tough match up for IT. Not only is Wall bigger and taller, but he's also quicker. And last night, despite his reputation for being a shoot first PG, he looked like a pass first PG compared to IT.
Wall ran the pick and roll down our throats, and he should have had 6 or 7 assists in the first half alone, if Gortat or Nene had been able to make a layup. And he did shoot over IT. Fortunately, he missed more than he made. But Wall went anywhere he pleased whenever he wanted. Wall is a very tough match up for IT. Not only is Wall bigger and taller, but he's also quicker. And last night, despite his reputation for being a shoot first PG, he looked like a pass first PG compared to IT.
Game threads are a bad place to get people's rational opinion about a player. Every time IT dribbles 20 seconds off the shot clock and hoists a contested jumper, he's the worst player in the world. Any time Jimmer turns the ball over, he's the worst player in the world.
The majority of the non-game thread posts I see are railing against the fit and demeanor of IT as starting point guard, and not his overall skillset. IT is one of the few guards in the league who can score from anywhere on the court and he is a decent if not exceptional guard at creating for his teammates. What he is not is deferential, savvy about breaking down opposing teams' defense, clock management, or individual or team defense. That skillset and mentality is fantastic in a sixth man, 20 minutes per game gunner, and just death to team chemistry for a starting point guard.
Look at Kyrie in Cleveland. He is a very skilled scorer and a pretty good distributor. Yet, the entire team is breaking down because he and Dion Waiters just do not share the ball. Those two take turns pounding the ball looking for a seam to the interior or jacking up shots instead of getting their teammates involved. What was supposed to be a playoff push has turned into yet another lottery year because the guy handling the ball is playing for the guy handling the ball.
I don't want that to be the future of the Kings. We already had a minor version of that in the Tyreke 1-4 flat/Thornton chucks a three years. With a very good passing big man in Cousins and a decent passer in Gay, we need crisp ball movement to pressure the opposing defense. That isn't happening right now and the first breakdown is in the guy bringing the ball up the court 9 times out of 10.
The majority of the non-game thread posts I see are railing against the fit and demeanor of IT as starting point guard, and not his overall skillset. IT is one of the few guards in the league who can score from anywhere on the court and he is a decent if not exceptional guard at creating for his teammates. What he is not is deferential, savvy about breaking down opposing teams' defense, clock management, or individual or team defense. That skillset and mentality is fantastic in a sixth man, 20 minutes per game gunner, and just death to team chemistry for a starting point guard.
Look at Kyrie in Cleveland. He is a very skilled scorer and a pretty good distributor. Yet, the entire team is breaking down because he and Dion Waiters just do not share the ball. Those two take turns pounding the ball looking for a seam to the interior or jacking up shots instead of getting their teammates involved. What was supposed to be a playoff push has turned into yet another lottery year because the guy handling the ball is playing for the guy handling the ball.
I don't want that to be the future of the Kings. We already had a minor version of that in the Tyreke 1-4 flat/Thornton chucks a three years. With a very good passing big man in Cousins and a decent passer in Gay, we need crisp ball movement to pressure the opposing defense. That isn't happening right now and the first breakdown is in the guy bringing the ball up the court 9 times out of 10.
I always saw Wall as a pass first pg, but I think ITs defense had something to do with his off night. He didn't have a bad night, but he kept Wall from scoring and put a lot of pressure on him...However even with only 4ats and 5tos he was still very efficient and effective last night. His numbers don't have to be huge. He was able to get his teammates the ball and set up good plays to where everyone had touches. Wall is the type of player/pg the kings need. He's a very smart player, but IT got the best of him last night. However, I think the Wizards were more focused on shutting down DMC and Gay than they were IT. They were ok with giving him easy shots just as long as Gay and Cuz didn't get any.
I just don't think IT and our bigs are very good in PnRs. I think the team might need a european pg. I'm not sure why but these european and foreign pgs pass a lot better than american pgs. I honestly would not mind at all if we brought back Vasquez as long as we have a defensive 2. I think Ben can be our starter next year. Ben is very good at guarding pgs because he's quick enough and has the size to keep up. I wouldn't mind Vasquez guarding SGs.
I just don't think IT and our bigs are very good in PnRs. I think the team might need a european pg. I'm not sure why but these european and foreign pgs pass a lot better than american pgs. I honestly would not mind at all if we brought back Vasquez as long as we have a defensive 2. I think Ben can be our starter next year. Ben is very good at guarding pgs because he's quick enough and has the size to keep up. I wouldn't mind Vasquez guarding SGs.
I am sure that there are times when he isn't allowed to guard guys like he is being guarded. I am sure he feels like he got fouled and then did the same thing that they just got away with and it is called a foul on him. I am sure this has happened and I am sure that he has been screwed on more than a few calls. Just like EVERY PLAYER IN THE NBA (except of course Blake Griffin and Dirk Nowitzki) especially post players. Refs miss stuff, they just do.
The problem is that he will complain no matter what. If there is any contact at all, even a little bit , even if he caused it he will turn to the official and want the foul. He then carries this angst over to the defensive end.
The problem is that he will complain no matter what. If there is any contact at all, even a little bit , even if he caused it he will turn to the official and want the foul. He then carries this angst over to the defensive end.
Because IT's style of play is the recurring issue. Cousins and Gay had bad games. That's it. Everyone has said it. What more is there to analyse or say about it? On the other hand there's plenty that can be said about IT's trend of shot attempts, of not getting others easy looks (Uncia did a fantastic write up), of yet another instance of him killing momentum with some dumb shots or not making the right plays.
i think i figured out why the team was so sluggish!
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That is false, the only reports are that the Kings are high on IT but want a pass first PG to go along with him, reports are we keep inquiring about Andre Miller. The only PG's that are remotely available that you consider trading IT for are Rondo and Lowry. Rondo trade wouldn't happen until the draft most likely. I expect a move, but only something minor like bringing a backup PG or starting roleplayer SG.
The summer is huge for us, re-signing IT, convincing Gay to sign long term, lottery pick, we come into next season expecting to compete for a low playoff spot.
The summer is huge for us, re-signing IT, convincing Gay to sign long term, lottery pick, we come into next season expecting to compete for a low playoff spot.
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You are right. It doesn't say they will trade IT. It doesn't include all the other stuff you said. It was dated today. Perhaps they aren't happy with him a a starter but we can go with your idea if you wish.
http://fansided.com/2014/02/10/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings-looking-trade-true-point-guard/
You are right. It doesn't say they will trade IT. It doesn't include all the other stuff you said. It was dated today. Perhaps they aren't happy with him a a starter but we can go with your idea if you wish.
http://fansided.com/2014/02/10/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings-looking-trade-true-point-guard/
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