[Grades] Grades v. Wizards 01/28/13

[LWP777]

no, that is not his point. his point is that magic johnson led the lakers to five championships in spite of his bad attitude, and that, when push came to shove, ownership was going to side with their $25 million investment, rather than a head coach who was no longer equipped to handle the job...

that's a terrible example. it actually got me thinking about how you made no big deal about dmc getting pw fired. pw has accomplished a hell of a lot more than dmc has in the game of basketball. now i'm not defending pw as the coach of the sacramento kings (although you can make the argument that he's clearly better than keith smart and that at some point you've got to start pointing the finger at the players) because he probably wasn't the best fit here, but pw has had success in the league both as a player and a coach that dmc hasn't even sniffed yet. you are putting dmc in the hof before he has even learned how to play hard every night and show respect to others.

 

[spudfan]

that's a terrible example. it actually got me thinking about how you made no big deal about dmc getting pw fired. pw has accomplished a hell of a lot more than dmc has in the game of basketball. now i'm not defending pw as the coach of the sacramento kings (although you can make the argument that he's clearly better than keith smart and that at some point you've got to start pointing the finger at the players) because he probably wasn't the best fit here, but pw has had success in the league both as a player and a coach that dmc hasn't even sniffed yet. you are putting dmc in the hof before he has even learned how to play hard every night and show respect to others.

I find it funny you mention Westphal (can you please type his name, it's hard to follow when you type "pw") as being an accomplished coach. You surely are aware of his history with other teams star players, right?

 

[LWP777]

nope. he plays in a western conference stacked with talented big men. if he played in the eastern conference, he would be an all-star. and yes, magic johnson is a great example. he was not a hall of famer early in his career. everybody knew he was good, but it remained to be seen just how good he would become. demarcus is in his third year. everybody knows how good he is, but it remains to be seen just how good he will become. you, on the other hand, act as if he's a ten-year veteran who has never managed to overcome his deficiencies, which makes you really bad at this whole arguing thing...

edit: by the way, the nba eliminated the "center" position from the all-star ballot, instead requiring that bigs be voted in as "frontcourt players." had the center distinction remained, demarcus might very well have made the all-star game this year as a reserve...

lol. you really are making my day today. i guess it's time for another history lesson, isn't it?

at age 20 (TWENTY), his first year in the league, magic johnson averaged 18.0 points and 7.3 assists while shooting .530%. he made the all-star team that same year and continued to make the all-star team every year in his career except i think for the last year or 2 when he was trying his comeback. he also made the playoffs every single year he played as well.

can't wait for your rebuttal....

 

[LWP777]

I find it funny you mention Westphal (can you please type his name, it's hard to follow when you type "pw") as being an accomplished coach. You surely are aware of his history with other teams star players, right?

I never said he was an "accomplished" coach. I said that he had accomplished things in the NBA that DeMarcus Cousins hasn't even sniffed yet.

 

[Padrino]

that's a terrible example. it actually got me thinking about how you made no big deal about dmc getting pw fired. pw has accomplished a hell of a lot more than dmc has in the game of basketball. now i'm not defending pw as the coach of the sacramento kings (although you can make the argument that he's clearly better than keith smart and that at some point you've got to start pointing the finger at the players) because he probably wasn't the best fit here, but pw has had success in the league both as a player and a coach that dmc hasn't even sniffed yet. you are putting dmc in the hof before he has even learned how to play hard every night and show respect to others.

i am doing no such thing. here, i'll quote myself:

demarcus is in his third year. everybody knows how good he is, but it remains to be seen just how good he will become.

i have no idea how good demarcus cousins will be. i have no idea if he'll ever be an all star. i have no idea if he'll become a hall of fame candidate. but i bank on talent like his ten times out of ten.

as for paul westphal, he had not coached in the nba since 2000 before the kings foolishly hired him in 2009. and i honestly don't give two ****s about what he had accomplished previously as a head coach. during his time in sacramento, he struck me as ineffectual, desperate, and washed-up, and throwing the kings second-year cornerstone center under the bus may have been the most ineffectual, desperate, and washed-up move he could make in the twilight of his coaching career. your utter lack of perspective in this matter is quite embarrassing...

 

[Spike]

What's your point? That there have been players in professional sports who were "coach killers?" There is always an exception to every rule my friend.

You're being intentionally obtuse. DMC has the talent to be a great player. We need to surround him with the right coach to maximize that talent. Haven't you noticed how our youth seems to flounder, but players everywhere else tend to flourish?

 

[Padrino]

lol. you really are making my day today. i guess it's time for another history lesson, isn't it?

at age 20 (TWENTY), his first year in the league, magic johnson averaged 18.0 points and 7.3 assists while shooting .530%. he made the all-star team that same year and continued to make the all-star team every year in his career except i think for the last year or 2 when he was trying his comeback. he also made the playoffs every single year he played as well.

can't wait for your rebuttal....

i do not understand what you're attempting to argue. magic accomplished those statistical achievements in exactly 36.3 minutes per game. demarcus cousins averaged 28.5 minutes per game in his rookie season, but here are his per 36 numbers from that same season: 17.8 pts, 10.9 rebs, 3.2 asts, while only shooting 43%. despite his shooting difficulties, demarcus' per 36 numbers in this, his third season, represent an overall improvement: 19.8 pts, 11.5 rebs, 3.3 asts on 44% shooting. how you are unable to make the leap from those numbers to an eventual all star appearance is absolutely beyond me. you don't have to like him. you don't have to believe that he's the future of this franchise. but failing to see his talent for what it is represents an utter breakdown of reason. it's like you're looking at 2 + 2 and getting 5 on the other side of the equals sign. you need not be a basketball scholar to know that a 20/12 big man is all star caliber. if not this season, then soon. if not with the kings, then elsewhere. it's that simple...

 

[rainmaker]

He's 22 on a team full of young guys who I don't see act like him. He also is under contract making millions of dollars playing a game. Is it really too much to ask to just have him stay relatively quiet and play hard every night?

This is one of the big differences between now and say 25 years ago. We make excuses for guys like him now. 25 years ago the team and fans would never allow it

Stay quiet? What does that have to do with anything?

MJ used to physically threaten teammates in practice.

Ever watched KG play? Even seen him pick on the smaller Euro guys in the league? You know that he punched a Minn draft pick in a summer pickup game?

Barkley physically threatening teammates during games if they didn't pass him the ball, or throwing a guy through a window at a bar.

Hakeem physically threatening teammates and tearing up the locker room for not getting the ball enough.

Kobe, not only with his behind the scenes threats/demands, but being in two fist fights on the court.

And I could go on, but fiery personalities and passionate players have played in this league for years. Cuz hasn't done near the crap others before him have done. Is he immature? Yes. Does he still need to grow up? Yes. But is he some 22 yr old with no hope going forward? No.

Here's your headcase yesterday, who has no respect for anyone else.

What you never mention is the time he always takes out for fans, how much he loves children and spends time with them at various events, the charities he's involved in, the time he spends volunteering for the NBA Works program during the summer.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

^lol

 

[Capt. Factorial]

that's a terrible example. it actually got me thinking about how you made no big deal about dmc getting pw fired. pw has accomplished a hell of a lot more than dmc has in the game of basketball. now i'm not defending pw as the coach of the sacramento kings (although you can make the argument that he's clearly better than keith smart and that at some point you've got to start pointing the finger at the players) because he probably wasn't the best fit here, but pw has had success in the league both as a player and a coach that dmc hasn't even sniffed yet. you are putting dmc in the hof before he has even learned how to play hard every night and show respect to others.

Wait a minute.

First you complain about Padrino not capitalizing in his posts, and then when you don't get any sympathy on your request for capitalization, you start the tactic of NOT using caps in your responses? And you want to criticize Cousins for HIS emotional immaturity?

 

[LWP777]

i do not understand what you're attempting to argue. magic accomplished those statistical achievements in exactly 36.3 minutes per game. demarcus cousins averaged 28.5 minutes per game in his rookie season, but here are his per 36 numbers from that same season: 17.8 pts, 10.9 rebs, 3.2 asts, while only shooting 43%. despite his shooting difficulties, demarcus' per 36 numbers in this, his third season, represent an overall improvement: 19.8 pts, 11.5 rebs, 3.3 asts on 44% shooting. how you are unable to make the leap from those numbers to an eventual all star appearance is absolutely beyond me. you don't have to like him. you don't have to believe that he's the future of this franchise. but failing to see his talent for what it is represents an utter breakdown of reason. it's like you're looking at 2 + 2 and getting 5 on the other side of the equals sign. you need not be a basketball scholar to know that a 20/12 big man is all star caliber. if not this season, then soon. if not with the kings, then elsewhere. it's that simple...

again, you fail to see my point. i have never questioned his talent. go back and look at my posts from earlier today. he obviously has an incredible amount of talent. this whole debate started with me calling him a head case, which you refuted, but have failed to offer anything other than changing the subject and talking about magic johnson.

 

[rainmaker]

Wait a minute.

First you complain about Padrino not capitalizing in his posts, and then when you don't get any sympathy on your request for capitalization, you start the tactic of NOT using caps in your responses? And you want to criticize Cousins for HIS emotional immaturity?

LWP777 is quite the role model. Cuz should take notes.

 

[LWP777]

Stay quiet? What does that have to do with anything?

MJ used to physically threaten teammates in practice.

Ever watched KG play? Even seen him pick on the smaller Euro guys in the league? You know that he punched a Minn draft pick in a summer pickup game?

Barkley physically threatening teammates during games if they didn't pass him the ball, or throwing a guy through a window at a bar.

Hakeem physically threatening teammates and tearing up the locker room for not getting the ball enough.

Kobe, not only with his behind the scenes threats/demands, but being in two fist fights on the court.

And I could go on, but fiery personalities and passionate players have played in this league for years. Cuz hasn't done near the crap others before him have done. Is he immature? Yes. Does he still need to grow up? Yes. But is he some 22 yr old with no hope going forward? No.

Here's your headcase yesterday, who has no respect for anyone else.

What you never mention is the time he always takes out for fans, how much he loves children and spends time with them at various events, the charities he's involved in, the time he spends volunteering for the NBA Works program during the summer.

Stop comparing DMC to the greats who have played this game. It's ridiculous. Showing him taking a photo with a fan? BFD. Who cares? That doesn't make anybody a good guy or not. I mean, that's great that he did that, don't get me wrong but it doesn't prove to me that he shows a tremendous amount of respect to the majority of human beings on this planet.